Wednesday 25 July 2018

Probation Dissed

The Urban Dictionary says this about dissed

1. dissing someone is showing disrespect to them
2. being dissed is the act of being disconnected, by voice or by modem, from another party


Now that our Parliamentarians are on holiday until September, let's recap where we are following the blizzard of government announcements yesterday that conspicuously failed to mention probation at all.

Ian Lawrence Twitter 18th July:- 

"Probation unions are in high level talks with the HMPPS Programme Team prior to an expected announcement on the MoJ response to Justice Select Committee report into TR. More news when it becomes available possibly before the Parliamentary recess."


Comments Yesterday 24th July:-

"I have just heard Glenys Stacey being interviewed on the Today programme. She said the problem with CRCs is that they're not being paid enough! Outrageous! They are pocketing huge amounts of money for themselves at the expense of the service. When will this stop?"

"Shockingly poor interview of Gauke by Martha Carney. No mention of fixing TR. Usual guff about prison officer numbers and pay. Where are NAPO, Unison and the POA? Massive open goal to set the record straight missed again. They must be taking lessons from Raheem Sterling. Suppose IL will cite his many appearances on RT as proof he's media savvy. Watched by 50 people and paid for by Putin. BTW, where's my money in public sector pay news?"

"I suspect Dame Glenys and the BBC have had advanced sight of embargoed plans for probation and she is the warm up act preparing us for the privateers digging deeper into the public purse."

"So, well done BBC. A beautifully co-ordinated Today programme neatly timetabled to support the Govts public relations announcements, with Dame Glenys teeing up the next round of handouts to CRCs. A grotesque slowdance with Auntie Beeb desperate for Tory affection."

Rory Stewart MP yesterday:-

"Our hard-working prison officers, managers and governors are at the absolute heart of this. They do a vital job in protecting the public every day, often in very challenging, difficult and dangerous circumstances."

Comments yesterday:-

"So the HMPPS apparently only consists of “hard working” prison officers. Do probation officers not exist anymore?"

"2.75% pay increase for prison officers? No mention of Probation? Thought they may have to pass on an increase to fund our rise? Hope our union is fighting our corner for increases to assist in probation catching up with other professions."

"So we are part of the Civil Service but not Civil Servants, and part of HMPPS but not worthy of a payrise? When will Gauke wake the fuck up and sort this shit out?"

"17 years in September and just over half way up Band 4. Rory's weasal words don't pay the bills. Hope he can sleep at night. Still, only another three years until I get my specially struck medallion. I'll be taking a leaf out of John Lennon's book and sending it back. It'll have a message attached encouraging them to stick it up their arse. In the memorable words of a disgruntled prostitute who once woke me up in the middle of the night banging on my downstairs neighbours door."WHERE'S MY FUCKING MONEY".

"If probation officers get 2.75% they will only have a further 20% to make up their pay to pre austerity rates. IL has it in hand!"

Richard Burgon MP yesterday:-

"It's rumoured that the Tories are planning another massive bailout to the failing privatised probation companies - on top of the £342 MILLION bailout last year. They know it's unpopular so don't be surprised if they try to sneak it out when Parliament isn't sitting!"

Seen on Facebook yesterday:-

"I heard that the MoJ will bail out CRCs on the basis they have a massive recruitment drive so that they can meet new HMIP standards. To give an example my CRC would need to recruit 100-120 across all grades to stand a chance of hitting them."

"Where’s the motivation for us to continue? Ever since we’ve become civil servants we’ve been treated like the poor relative that no one wants. A 26% loss (estimated) since the pay freeze came in is disgusting. I, for one, will be out if a strike is balloted. We’ve got to stand up now to get what we’re worth!"

Ian Lawrence Twitter today:-

"Napo/UNISON message to members on Pay to follow shortly. Probation not part of Prison pay review body but how insensitive does it get from the Minister to make no mention that probation pay negotiations are starting soon?"


Postscript

This blog received 3402 hits yesterday and remains the place to go for news and sharing information whenever a probation story kicks off. 

37 comments:


  1. 2018 PAY

    PROBATION STAFF DESERVE BETTER

    Back in May Napo and UNISON submitted a joint pay claim for 2018 for members in the National Probation Service and the 21 Community Rehabilitation Companies. A copy of the claim accompanies this joint union bulletin.

    In the meantime, while pay talks have got started in some of the CRCs, the NPS has still not given the unions any dates for our negotiations to begin. To add insult to injury, on 24 July the MOJ agreed a 2.75% pay increase for prison staff for 2018.

    Yet again, HMPPS has shown little appreciation of the impact of this differential treatment of prison and probation staff on the morale of our members. Not surprisingly, probation staff are already saying that they feel like second class citizens. It’s time for HMPPS to start valuing its probation workforce.

    Just got this via e mail from Napo

    That’s why Napo and UNISON are demanding that pay talks start now and that members receive some dignity and respect from their employers.

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  2. Ian Lawrence Twitter 18th July:-
    Ian Larence previousl said,

    "Probation unions are in high level talks with the HMPPS Programme Team prior to an expected announcement on the MoJ response to Justice Select Committee report into TR. More news when it becomes available possibly before the Parliamentary recess."

    Today he has issued a statement demanding that talks commence.

    What is the truth and where is the money?

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    1. Are you suggesting the General secretary is not telling the truth . The high level meeting may well have been in the Shard floor 55 with the cleaners. All high level but as usual totally useless NAPO.

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  3. I am far from militant, but I am totally 100% ready to go out on strike now & also question if legal action is needed over a mostly male (prison officers) part of the department being treated more favorablfa than a mostly female (Probation) aspect

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    1. Very good point!

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    2. No it is not with a 4000 female membership it is the men that are in the minority ! The comparator is wrong as the employers are not the same organisations.

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  4. Any strike must be all out, not one of these efforts where you lose half a days pay but rush back next day to do double the work in case anybody is inconvenienced.
    Is it any co incidence that this comes a week after the ballot for GS and not the week before?

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  5. If I could afford to I would resign today in disgust. We are treated like shit on the shoes of ministers and HMPPS leadership. If Michael Spurr had an ounce of human decency he would send an all staff email today explaining the delay in starting pay negotiations and offering a genuine commitment to achieving the best possible outcome in making pay and reward in NPS fit for purpose with a timetable for agreement and implementation. I bet he doesn't though.

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  6. Michael Spurr came to my office a couple of years ago and told me that he didnt think that probation pay arrangements were fit for purpose but was constrained by the Treasury so couldn't take pay modernisation fowrward. Well the shackles are off now Michael. The Treasury has signed off on negotiations but nothing appears to be happening. Menaingless platitudes wont do anymore. Do your job and genuinely support your people. We've been through enough with TR. We can't take any more.

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    1. Spur thinks he can take more and he will its his bonus yet again while we get zippo that is why his bonus is so good . Outraged.

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  7. Presumably if they wished Government Ministers could award an interim pay rise today - with negotiations to take place on final settlement in due course - that is the opposite of Dissing - I believe - but I also believe it will not happen - were parliament sitting it could take the initiative - but we are unlikely to get much from parliament without a public campaign and media storm.

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  8. PROBATION STAFF DESERVE BETTER

    Back in May Napo and UNISON submitted a joint pay claim for 2018 for members in the National Probation Service and the 21 Community Rehabilitation Companies. A copy of the claim accompanies this joint union bulletin.

    In the meantime, while pay talks have got started in some of the CRCs, the NPS has still not given the unions any dates for our negotiations to begin. To add insult to injury, on 24 July the MOJ agreed a 2.75% pay increase for prison staff for 2018.
    Yet again, HMPPS has shown little appreciation of the impact of this differential treatment of prison and probation staff on the morale of our members. Not surprisingly, probation staff are already saying that they feel like second class citizens. It’s time for HMPPS to start valuing its probation workforce.

    That’s why Napo and UNISON are demanding that pay talks start now and that members receive some dignity and respect from their employers.

    THE SAME PAY CLAIM FOR NPS AND CRCs

    Napo and UNISON agree that we will take exactly the same approach to pay in the NPS and the CRCs. The reasons for this are simple:

    1 Probation is a single job-market

    2 We don’t want members in one part of probation to be treated worse than members elsewhere

    3 The need for pay reform is equally urgent in both NPS and the CRCs

    4. Most importantly both Napo and UNISON are committed to the probation workforces being reunited once again in the future.

    THE CLAIM

    Here are the main elements of our 2018 pay claim:

    Reform of the existing pay and grading system in the NPS and CRCs to start in the current pay year to provide:

    The same new probation pay and grading system for both NPS and the CRCs

    Shortening of all pay bands in this new system to allow for progression to top of pay band in no more than 5 years

    Full equality proofing of the new pay and grading system

    Deletion of pay band 1 to acknowledge the impact of the National Minimum Wage in the NPS and in those CRCs which still retain this pay band

    Immediate Payment of the Contractual Increment for 2018

    An increase of up to £2500 for all staff currently below the top of their pay band, to allow some immediate catch-up, whilst incorporating a mechanism to avoid “overtaking” those at the band maxima already.

    A minimum increase of £1500 for all staff, including those at the top of their pay band.

    A 3.5% increase in all NPS and CRC allowances

    An increase in London Weighting to £5,000

    The introduction of a South East Pay Allowance of £3,000

    Yours sincerely,

    Ian Lawrence Ben Priestley
    General Secretary National Officer
    Napo UNISON

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    1. fantasy. not going to get much of that

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    2. If the Unions expect NPS & CRC to be treated the same (which they should) they made their first mistake when they allowed CRCs to have no pre entry qualification requirements.

      As 15:02 says it is a fantasy claim unless a clear argument beyond - the same job market - is made for no differentiation>

      I think they should go for an immediate cost of living rise and a full longer pay review.

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  9. From hmpps web page

    NPS pay reform negotiations open 2018/19
    Today (25 July 2018) HMPPS has informed our probation trade union partners that we are now in a position to proceed to initiate a new pay system for the National Probation Service (NPS). We will therefore be entering into negotiations on probation pay reform with our probation trade unions.

    All parties recognise that the current probation pay structure requires fundamental reform. HMPPS wish to address the lengthy pay scales, legacy terms and the outdated pay framework.

    We are confident that we can collectively negotiate an improved scheme which will properly support progress throughout your probation career, and bring more benefits to both our probation staff and to the National Probation Service.

    While no party at this time can discuss the details of the negotiations, both HMPPS and our trade union partners are committed to ensuring all staff are kept informed when there is something important for our members of staff to consider.

    We thank you for your patience and look forward to positive and productive negotiations.

    Michael Spurr, HMPPS CEO



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    1. Spurr is simply taking the piss AND laughing all the way to the bank with probation staff monies. He must surely have Lawrence over a barrel about something?

      Napo are not fit for purpose.

      Anon@13:43 hits the right note - Lawrence has promised all sorts of fights, all sorts of benefits, writes about himself in such a positive light - yet he hasn't delivered jackshit. Oh wait...
      * CRC contracts that led to massive job losses
      * "a guaranteed EVR deal" that was worth less than shitting in your own hands
      * crap NPS T&Cs
      * no wage increase for years

      And Napo members voted for him - again!! FFS!!!

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    2. p.s. sorry about the excess of bodily fluid references in there; caring for an elderly double-incontinent kind of takes it toll.

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    3. “Legacy terms” how much leave will they want this time to give us a pay rise? Some fell for that trick last time we got shafted !

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    4. Sadly it was more than 'some' - it was 'most', meaning 3 days' leave disappeared for a 1% rise & nowt else. Why on God's earth would anyone vote for that? It made no sense then & makes even less sense now - except that some (most) were seduced by a pre-tax ambush amounting to not much more than £250/year.

      There's something self-destructive about 'modern' probation. Used to be that probation was a unified body, went on strike together, had a Napo GS that represented members, stuck her neck out & fought for them. Now it seems to be puddles of individuals with self-promoting agendas, all with eyes on different prizes & happy to compromise members' interests. There's no wonder probation has been screwed upside down, inside out & left for dead.

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    5. They get all excited about being given laptops as well.

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    6. Well our votes still count as the existing chairs are scrounging your votes for more failings, they have to go. Katie Lomas for Chair no way !!!! Part of the deal that sold up my leave and my salary. No efforts on any campaign and losing the 3 days leave for 1% pay is actually a pay cut ! She wants to be chair and I will resign from napo as none of us should or could want to pay them with that performance.

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  10. No need for strike we are im safe hands with Ian his win recently has galvanised him and my sources say we will be getting a 3% raise. So proud of Ian our stoic GS.

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    1. You are Ian Lawrence and I claim my £5.

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  11. So what Ian Lawrence is acknowledging is that the every public sector worker in England and Wales is to receive a pay rise except for probation officers. And his response is to do nothing more than to send a ‘strongly worded’ letter that’ll be filed on Spurr’s waste bin.

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    1. .. and I knew HMIP Glenys Stacey was shady the moment she took on that lucrative extra work inspecting pig! Probably already has a nice little consultation job lined up with a CRC!

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    2. The problem is we are not focused on the fact the government are set to end probation in its current form and staffing make life harder and we all go. Ian Lawrence must be in for a bigger reward lets ask him some difficult accounting questions and lets see if we get some truth.

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  12. I'm 14 years qualified and halfway up the pay scale. If I was at the top of the scale I would be on 3k a year more every year. I voted against the last pay reform because of the loss of leave. I also realised then that our employers could claw back any increase in pay through below inflation pay rises. Lo and behold... 2010, 2011,2012, etc.

    I fully expect to be shafted in any pay reform.

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    1. Then don't vote for the incumbent current officers or we will end up paying to work.

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    2. I won't be as I've left the union. I strongly believe in the trade union movement and resisted leaving, despite Napo's failure to achieve anything in recent years. The leadership election was the final straw. More of the same.

      I've done my bit. Out on every strike, opposition to TR. Thousands paid in subs.

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  13. Remember back in the old days when we had allowances for meals and cars plus realistic mileagevrates.
    My last car allowance was £86:00 PER MONTH! Probably worth £120:00 pcm with inflation.
    All sold for buttons by the bright young things who no longer see probation as a vocation but a stepping stone to better things

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  14. Why pay decent money to robots with third rate degrees in criminology and PE who tick boxes and recommend everyone goes to jail? If you have a social work qualification and or some gumption move to a YOT
    Team , mine pays case managers
    More than SPO's

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  15. RE: Equal Pay. Comparators do not have to work in the same organisation.

    About time legal action was taken with union backing. This disgusting treatment has to STOP. We just carry on letting them abuse us. Furious and pissed off!!

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    1. Napo legal backing ? Napo do not appear able to mount the kerb let alone anything else. Why there are no actions on legal cases is something that could be explained over the whole TR fiasco an explanation required perhaps AGM ?

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    2. Will Anon at 0.06 ask that good question when the annual report is presented at AGM?

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    3. No Andrew sorry.

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  16. I have heard some of the bright young things training at the moment and those with a couple of years experience talking about applying for SPO roles...nice 7k pay rise and then they can tell others what to do when they have never done it themselves. Main grade PO's get zero respect from anyone although i am starting to have little respect for myself for working for an organisation that treats me with contempt.

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