Monday 6 April 2020

Questions Requiring Answers

The news on Saturday that the MoJ have finally bowed to common sense and united argument regarding urgent action in dealing with the threat from coronavirus within the prison estate raises more questions than answers. As always, Rob Allen was quick off the mark with this blog post:- 

Scrutiny of Justice in a Time of Crisis

Good news that the government plans to reduce pressure on prisons by releasing 4,000 low risk prisoners up to two months early. Credit’s due to the excellent work of the Howard League and Prison Reform Trust among others in pressing the Ministry of Justice to do the right thing. And on the government side, one has to admire the tactic of wheeling out Michael ‘Prison Works’ Howard to provide political cover for an administration that pre-Covid 19 made so much of the need for prisoners to serve longer spells inside before release.

But is today’s announcement enough? The uncrowded capacity of the system was 75,380 at the end of February and last Friday the population was 82,589. So even if numbers fall by 4,000, many prisons may still struggle to avoid enforced cell sharing.

There are other important questions to be clarified. Do all the released prisoners really need to wear electronic tags? Is there capacity to achieve that? What are the strict conditions prisoners will have to adhere to? What will be the process for assessing eligibility? And most important when will it start?

The government’s press release says that the releases will be phased over time but can start from next week. It also says that the “Statutory Instruments to allow these releases to take place will be laid on Monday.”

But Parliament is in recess so it’s not clear to me at any rate what procedure will be used to sign them into law. Surely some scrutiny of the government’s proposals is required before it’s done.

As it happens, on Tuesday the Committee will hear from Justice Secretary Robert Buckland about COVID19 and the justice system but “due to restrictions on Parliamentary capacity, partly caused by the virus, the meeting will be held online and in private. A summary note will be published shortly after.”

This doesn’t seem good enough. On the same day the Transport Committee will be questioning Secretary of State for Transport on the impact of Coronavirus on UK transport. The session will take place virtually and will be broadcast live. There seems no good reason why the Justice Committee meeting should not be scheduled at a time when it can be broadcast too. There is considerable public interest not only in the release but the search for publicly owned sites which can be used to house temporary prison accommodation.

It may seem churlish to complain about the lack of public involvement when politicians, officials and public servants in all departments are facing such extraordinary pressures. But as Penelope Gibbs has shown in respect of courts, without scrutiny, things can go wrong despite the best of intentions – and sometimes even because of them. Allowing independent access to justice institutions should remain an important priority.

Chief Prison Inspector Peter Clarke was probably right to suspend his team’s inspection programme but promised to “seek alternative ways of fulfilling our obligation to monitor, understand and report on the treatment and conditions in prisons and places of detention”. I’d like to see a set of expectations drawn up on how prisons should be dealing with the crisis and some kind of independent monitoring of how they are doing particularly in respect of medical care. For example, the Prison Rules require a medical practitioner “to report to the governor on the case of any prisoner whose health is likely to be injuriously affected by continued imprisonment or any conditions of imprisonment. The governor shall send the report to the Secretary of State without delay, together with his own recommendations”. How is this being interpreted?

Some input is needed too from the Sentencing Council to ensure a more sparing use of prison is made by judges and magistrates during the crisis. The experience of imprisonment is undoubtedly harsher at the moment with no work or education and more time in cell. Should this not be reflected by courts reducing sentence lengths and wherever possible suspending prison sentences? More radically still, the MoJ should enable custodial sentences to be deferred where a defendant has been on bail. The advantage of releasing low risk prisoners from the back door of prison will be eroded if low risk offenders continue to enter through the front door of sentencing.

Specifically, the Council should say something about the sentencing of offences related to the Corona Virus Act 2020 or to the emergency more generally. Justice Committee Chair Bob Neill said last week that he thought Justice Secretary Robert Buckland would want the courts to deal with these “swiftly and condignly”. But that’s less a matter for Neill and the Justice Secretary than it is for the Council who should urgently give it some more measured consideration.

Rob Allen

37 comments:

  1. It is not helpful that prisoners are informed of changes such as potential release prior to staff. This creates chaos and unrealistic expectation. Such announcements should be managed. Ideally staff notified and procedure in place!

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  2. There'll be cash registers ringing at Capita as 4,000 new tags are due to be deployed by their EMS team. The more creative among them will be looking at bonuses, perhaps?

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7986629/Worker-took-bribes-criminals-fix-electronic-ankle-tags-jailed-seven-years.html

    Like Mr Rob Allen, I also wonder how much thought has gone into this. Others on this blogsite have already raised some of the issues. Five questions come to mind:

    * will the 4,000 be directed or volunteer?
    * will the 4,000 be virus tested pre-release?
    * who will carry out the release address checks?
    * how will the 4,000 travel from their releasing prison to wherever they are released to?
    * if they are not tagged at HMP, who will be required to track them down when they fail to show?

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    1. Govt website:

      "Prisoners who pass the stringent criteria for release will be subject to strict conditions, and will be electronically monitored, including with GPS tags, to enforce the requirement to stay at home. They can be immediately recalled to prison for breaching these conditions or committing further offences."

      Presumably EMS, & EMS alone, will be dealing with these? There's no reference to probation staff.

      "The releases will be phased over time but can start from next week."

      I suppose if probation PPE can wait until 13 April, prison releases can also assume a leisurely pace.

      Its likely that these delays will prolong the steep growth phase of the UK's infection curve.

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    2. Govt website:

      "No prisoner would be released if they have symptoms of coronavirus or without housing and health support being in place."

      Looks like no-one will be released then : )

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  3. The Ministry of Justice (MoJ) is in the initial stages of a project which intends to assess the interest in the market for providing an academic counter terrorism training course for frontline staff.

    The requirement is to support intelligence and operational staff in the prison and probation service carrying out duties directly related to the management of terrorist and extremist offenders.

    These roles are busy and operational, so to accommodate a geographically dispersed workforce any provision would need to be carried out by flexible interactive e-learning lessons, with associated online discussion forums and support.

    There should be more than one intake for the course in a year to allow new staff to undertake the course as soon as possible. The course should last a maximum of 6 months. The number of staff required to undertake the course in one year will be discussed at a later date.

    There must be a range of counter-terrorism modules to study including: terrorist ideologies, aims, beliefs and motivations and terrorist modus operandi.

    The MoJ would like Providers to express their interest in this requirement by 1 May 2020 by contacting MoJProcurementLearningandDevelopment@Justice.gov.uk so the MoJ can keep Providers updated about this requirement.

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  4. Are you currently furloughed? Receiving 80% of your wages?

    BBC R4's Womans Hour has just had someone from Institute for Fiscal Studies let slip that (my paraphrase]:

    "its not widely known but if you're currently furloughed you CAN take on temporary work elsewhere to top up your income until your employer is in a position to take you on again."

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  5. from hmpps website - Central Functions supporting the National Probation Service: Action Plan (March 2020)

    https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/871302/Action_Plan_PDF.pdf

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  6. HMPPS Population and Capacity Briefing for Fri 3/4/20

    Total Pop. 82,589

    Male pop. 78,989
    Female pop. 3,600

    Useable Operational Capacity 85,596

    Home Detention Curfew caseload 2,681

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  7. If all the 4000 prisoners to be released in England and Wales come solely from the local estate where Coronavirus presents the most serious risks, I think any positive impact will be negligible if there's any at all.
    There are 30 overcrowded, understaffed, dirty victorian local prisons in England and Wales. 4000 divided by 30 would average around a 130 person reduction in population for each local prison. I'm guessing, but I feel not all of those to be released early will come from the local estate.
    The metric being used for release also does not account for those in custody most at risk from the virus. Should that not be where some concern is focused?
    It seem more like a criminal justice gesture then a public health response to me.

    https://www.southwalesargus.co.uk/news/18360318.half-inmates-monmouthshire-prison-sharing-cells-meant-one/

    'Getafix

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    1. Buckland: "This Government is committed to ensuring that justice is served to those who break the law... Public protection is paramount. No high-risk offenders, including those convicted of violent or sexual offences, anyone of national security concern or a danger to children, will be considered for release, nor any prisoners who have not served at least half their custodial term."

      MoJ: "All actions have been informed by the advice of experts from Public Health England and will be kept under constant review."

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    2. How many are in Cat D prisons already assessed and approved for temporary release?
      How many of those will be included in the 4000?

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    3. It's nothing to do prevention they need to release because keeping so many prisoners means the will watch them die in a cell than understand they cannot provide a prisoner proper health care. The result is a consequence of the Tories cuts strangling all public services. How's Boris today

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  8. https://insidetime.org/lockdown-wont-stop-virus-says-professor/

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    1. The spread of coronavirus through UK prisons is “almost inevitable”, a report by a leading expert has warned.

      Professor Richard Coker said that the crowded and unsanitary conditions in jails meant that COVID-19 would be passed on within jails despite the current “lockdown” policy which is seeing prisoners confined to their cells for more than 23 hours a day.

      He said the “churn” of new prisoners arriving at jails was making the situation worse, and claimed the best solution was that “authorities should consider alternative options to incarceration where feasible”.

      The expert, who is Emeritus Professor of Public Health at The London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine and the author of a book on the spread of tuberculosis in prisons, was commissioned by the Prison Reform Trust and the Howard League for Penal Reform to write a report on the situation around coronavirus in UK jails.

      The two charities published the professor’s report on April 2 as they made a joint call for the Government to take action to ease overcrowding. Two days later, Justice Secretary Robert Buckland announced the early release of 4,000 prisoners, or around 5% of the prison population in England and Wales. In his report, Prof Coker said:

      “Now that prisoners and workers within the prison system have developed disease, further exposure to others in the system is almost inevitable. Even where COVID-19 is not present within a prison currently, in the longer term all prisons are very likely to experience outbreaks. The risk of exposure of COVID-19 to prisoners and staff when new cases enter a prison is far, far greater than the risk to individuals in the wider community. Social distancing and personal infection control measures are, because of their nature, almost impossible in overcrowded settings with sanitation limitations.

      “Poor access to health care facilities, slow procedures to diagnose, isolate, and treat patients, or quarantine contacts would further reduce the time to peak incidence. Despite the measures taken including the restriction to longer periods to their cells [and] the
      limitations on the movements into and between prisons, the challenges in preventing prisoners from becoming exposed are likely almost insurmountable, in my opinion. Effective social distancing is, in practice, practically impossible in congregate settings in my experience.”

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    2. Prof Coker was particularly critical of the Prison Service policy of “cohorting”, or locating prisoners showing possible symptoms of coronavirus infection together in one isolated part of the jail. He said: “With diagnostic screening tests so lacking in precision, infection and transmission originating in asymptomatic cases, and diagnostic tests so limited in scope, sensitivity and accessibility, the determination with any accuracy of these ‘cohorts’ is likely to be of almost no benefit in controlling outbreaks in prisons.”

      He also said that prisons in which the virus had spread could act as “epidemiological pumps”, exporting COVID-19 back into the community – as seen with a ski chalet in France and a church in South Korea.

      The Government says that prisons are fighting coronavirus in line with medical advice. A Ministry of Justice spokesman said: “Prisons have been working closely with public health and NHS services to put robust contingency plans in place. The plans prioritise the safety of staff, prisoners and visitors. Existing, well-developed procedures are in place to manage outbreaks of infectious diseases and prisons are prepared if cases are identified.”

      Unveiling Prof Coker’s report, Peter Dawson, Director of the Prison Reform Trust, said:

      “All we are asking is that the government follow the science. That makes it very clear that reducing the number of people in prison is crucial to controlling the spread of infection, not just in prisons but in the communities to which prisoners return on release and staff return every day. Virtually every area of government is taking decisive, bold action to protect the public by following the science – there can be no excuse not to do the same in prisons. Time is short, and ministers are already behind the curve. Further delay will cause avoidable deaths amongst prisoners, prison staff and those closest to them.”

      Frances Crook, Chief Executive of the Howard League for Penal Reform, said: “The government is in a race against time to curb the spread of coronavirus in prisons and protect the wider public. Many more lives will be lost unless urgent action is taken to reduce the number of people behind bars.”

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  9. Questions that have allegedly been answered but actually still need answers. From uk briefing 5 April:

    Jane Merrick (i newspaper): What is the testing strategy for care homes and prisons given that these are emerging as a major hotspots for cases and sadly deaths? Are prisons and care homes going to be next in line for mass testing after NHS workers?

    Jenny Harries (DCMO): You’ve highlighted two very critical and domains if you like, for public health surveillance and intervention. That’s been recognized right from the start of this incident and in fact is recognized before COVID-19. We always keep a close eye on care homes and prisons because the setting in which people live is potentially problematic... certainly in prisons you are intentionally through a prison operation holding people together... You asked specifically about testing and testing in both prisons and care homes has always been on the priority list... So the groups of people who are routinely tested and have been ever since we have started responding to this incident include potential outbreaks in care homes and prisons. That’s been going on right from the start... What we do do though is we wouldn’t necessarily test everybody because you want to test whether it’s going to be a positive advantage to doing the testing and we usually test up to about five people to establish…[not clear]... It can vary depending on the setting but to be sure that we have established what the issue is... So they [prison staff] will come within prioritized key workers.

    Merrick: I think it was just to get clarity on when that testing would take place for those workers. If there’s no specific timing.

    Harries: So the outbreaks happened already and the other workers will be falling into the expanding program which has been ramping up as you’ve heard and I think has been reported on a daily basis this week.

    Transcripts courtesy Rev.com
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    Come back, Dame Ursula Brennan - you've missed your greatest opportunity to shine on the telly!

    Remember this from Hansard, Sept 2014? "If you take the Prison Service, we currently have a regime in which we have some outsourced prisons and some where we are driving down cost internally. But to come back to the point about what we pay for people, there are occasions when you are operating in the public sector in a period of pay restraint which completely makes sense across the public service as a whole, but which gives you difficulties in certain specific areas."

    Or this utter gem, Hansard March 2014: " “What I am trying to say is that we are not saying, “Here is how we do it now. We are going to do something that adds cost to it.” We are saying, “Here are all the costs now. They are going to lie in different places, and the procedures are going to look different.” So we are not simply saying, “Here is a process, we are adding cost to it.” We are saying, “Here is a process that is going to operate in a different way.”

    Regardless of the catastrophe, whether its TR or C-19, the sleight of hand, the smoke-&-mirrors, the lies & deceit are always to the fore.

    What if Catherine Calderwood's approach was taken (now ex-CMO in Scotland)...

    "Aye, you're right. We haven't tested enough people even though we said we would, because the tests are crap. We haven't released any prisoners yet because we hoped they would all have gotten infected already & contribute to herd immunity; and while I'm here, just to add that no-one's getting any PPE because its either fucking useless or non-existent. I'm truly sorry, I've let you all down, but there you have it. Now you'll have to excuse me, Mr Hancock, I've a holiday home to clean."

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    1. Sorry, link to Rev.com should have been:

      https://www.rev.com/blog/transcript-tag/united-kingdom-coronavirus-briefing-transcripts

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  10. Apologies in advance as this post seems to be off topic from whats been said in the blog today.

    I just need a place to offload, I feel totally and utterly overwhelmed by the current workload and expectations from senior management, to the point where I feel unable to do my job. I am a PO, instructed to work from home, the workload feels like it has increased by at least another 25%, with the additional tasks that I'm being told to complete on a daily basis. Factor in the regular dial in meetings, 10+ daily emails on covid19 to read.
    I feel that I could put in a 12 hour shift and even scrape the surface of what seems to be expected of front line staff. Is this the case across the country?
    Where is NAPO in all this? What will it take for them to act. I speak with colleagues each and every one of us are exhausted.

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    1. Napo member? Contact your local rep. Not saying anything will be done, but - as managers are keen to tell us - if it isn't recorded it didn't happen.

      Not a union member? Just go sick. Its not normal, its not reasonable, its not good for your emotional, mental or physical health.

      Highly unlikely you'll get a doctors' appt for stress-related issues at the moment but that doesn't mean you aren't unfit for work as a result. Ring 111.

      From .Gov.uk: "If you have COVID-19 or are advised to stay at home, you can get an ‘isolation note’ by visiting NHS 111 online, rather than visiting a doctor. For COVID-19 cases this replaces the usual need to provide a ‘fit note’ (sometimes called a ‘sick note’) after 7 days of sickness absence."

      Don't feel guilt-tripped. Don't feel duty-bound. You are entitled to a safe working environment, not one that will destroy your health. Ignore the pole-climbing trolls, management bullies & widespread liars who will try to make you feel 'less than'.

      This is the perfect time for people to take a stance & redesign the working environment such that its fair, equitable, safe & productive.

      'Customer-facing' staff should be refusing to work without PPE - but they aren't.
      Other staff should be refusing to undertake unrealistic caseloads - but they aren't (and haven't ever since TR was imposed).

      The COVID-19 pandemic has forced massive change upon us. Why not use it to redress the balance of a realistic, reasonable, safe working life as well?

      Napo & sister unions *should* be all over this, but sadly it seems they're busy with other things. What? We might well ask but answer came there none.

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    2. Napo leadership absent and silent and have no clue how to protect its memebership just keep paying.

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    3. C19 Bulletin 9 – 06-04-2020

      Early release scheme welcomed but it creates difficulties

      The Government's announcement on Saturday that up to 4000 prisoners will be considered for what it describes as early release, dominated the morning media headlines. The General Secretary received an earlier telephone call from the Justice Minister Lucy Frazer, which helped the Napo Comms team to swiftly prepare and issue a media release. From this, Napo took part in a live lunchtime interview on Sky News. Unfortunately, the ever changing C19 agenda meant that other issues became more prominent from that point on.

      Whilst our members will generally welcome the announcement, which squares with Napo’s policy position that there are simply too many people in prison for too long; there will be many of you lamenting the fact that it took a Global Pandemic to trigger plans that really ought to have been in place before the C19 crisis.

      The Minister also stated on Saturday that the early release cohort will comprise low risk service users, and that the vast majority will be subject to Electronic Monitoring. However, subsequent discussions between the National Chair and senior HMPPS leaders today have revealed that more work will be required on a number of fronts to make what is essentially an extended ROTL scheme become fit for purpose.

      The Electronic Monitoring (EM) Exceptional Delivery Model (EDM) itself presents a cause for concern, as most of the ROTL cohort will have EM as a condition. The EDM allows providers to make a decision not to fit equipment if someone in a household has symptoms of C19, or the property will not enable social distancing. In these cases the EM provider will refer the situation back to probation for consideration of recall. We have challenged the need for extensive EM which looks like a bit of a presentational exercise, as the notion of sending people back to Prison due to circumstances beyond their control is simply ludicrous.

      So far we understand that there will be no requirement for Probation staff to see someone face to face because those individuals released on a temporary licence (ROTL) are normally contacted by phone. But HMPPS have now realised that this creates an anomaly, as the person will transition from ROTL on the date of their ordinary release date and hence trigger the normal first appointment on release which the EDM indicates should be a face to face interview. More work is being undertaken to assess the impact on the probation service and avoid another problem at a time when we are urging less face to face contact.

      Our understanding is that the enabling legislation (in the form of a statutory instrument) was to be laid today allowing for releases to happen at the end of the week, but Napo have been making high level representations about the need to avoid a large release of the cohort the day before a double bank holiday weekend during which they will have little or no access to statutory support in relation to accommodation, finances, substance misuse or mental health. Practitioners know very well that release on a Friday is often problematic and the long weekend coupled with the lockdown will only exacerbate the issues. Balanced against this of course is the push to get people out of prisons where they are more at risk of infection from the C19 virus.

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    4. Another major concern is around the homeless, and here we understand that new homeless prevention teams in NPS Divisions will be asked to support the process of accommodation sourcing and checks. We have also heard that the Department for Housing, Community and Local Government has released funding to support local authorities in making accommodation available. The NPS is in the process of setting up a hub in Birmingham to support the assessment process, and to liaise with the Divisional Homeless Prevention Teams.

      Another positive move, notwithstanding Napo’s criticism of the inadequacies of the Universal Credit Scheme, is that the Department for Work and Pensions have agreed that applications for this benefit can now be made before the early release. Once again this will beg questions as to why this facility has not been in place all along, as it used to be before U.C. was imposed?

      Updates on other issues under discussion

      Napo and our sister unions continue to press for action on a number of fronts as previously reported in our earlier all member bulletins.

      On PPE – the guidance is currently being reviewed by Public Health England and will be issued as soon as is possible.

      Similarly, guidance on the use of cars for ‘doorstep’ visits is also being worked on and we expect feedback on that very soon.

      OASys reviews have been a regular source of enquiries from members. The EDM issued by HMPPS demanded a review for each client. We have heard of reports from some NPS areas who are demanding that staff set a standard Supervision Plan objective to comply with social distancing (which is ridiculous).

      There has also been a good deal of feedback from members on the workload issues associated with doing a review in each case. Many have told us that what practitioners should be doing is making a conscious decision on each case about whether a review is needed, and recording the decision on Delius, and then doing the review if it is necessary.

      This has been taken back to the centre for a rethink, which further illustrates how Napo is getting action on issues that have been raised with us.

      Stay safe and please continue to escalate your concerns to us via local reps.

      Katie Lomas Ian Lawrence
      National Chair General Secretary

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    5. 4 April 2020

      Early Prisoner Release: Union welcomes news but raises concern over staff pressure.

      Napo welcomes the news that the Secretary of State for Justice has decided to release up to 4000 prisoners early. Along with other stakeholders Napo has called for urgent action to reduce the prison population in light of the COVID 19 crisis. Napo were concerned that an already over populated prison estate could become a a hot bed for the virus putting thousands of lives, with staff and prisoners at risk. This move will ease some of the pressure on prison space and remove those that pose a minimum risk to the public from the risk of contracting C19.

      However, the union has raised real concerns with the Minister that the impact of this move could have a detrimental effect on staff in the probation service who are already working under immense pressure

      Ian Lawrence General Secretary said: "This is welcome news. However, our members in both the National Probation Service and the 21 Community Rehabilitation Companies are already over stretched with dangerously high workloads. Probation providers must work to ensure this new cohort can be supervised safely and not cause additional operational pressure and stress to the workforce."

      Earlier this week it had been confirmed that pregnant prisoners and those in Mother & Baby units would be released early on the grounds of health risks. It js understood that the additional prisoners will come from the male estate.

      Ian Lawrence went on to say: "The management of the releases is vital to ensure that probation providers can cope with this sudden increase in community cases. Face to face supervision of the majority of clients has been suspended in light of C19 with telephone contact being the main means of contact. It is vital that accommodation and benefits are made available immediately to ensure that they can resettle into the community."

      The majority of the early release prisoners will be supervised by the private sector. Her Majesty's Inspectorate for Probation has previously heavily criticised the majority of Community Rehabilitation Companies for having dangerously high workloads and staff shortages. This additional work could lead to further pressures for staff and result in a further deterioration in the quality of supervision and public protection.

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    6. How did the CJS become so bloody complicated? I'm sure it wasn't Coronavirus. Every answer begs another questionaand another problem.
      I'm pleased provision to apply for UCredit prior to release has been made. But as stated above shouldn't that have been the case anyway? It would surely be a great advantage to any through the gate scheme?
      I'm not trying to be negative or find problems, but being able to apply for UC prior to release is great, but if the applicant dosen't have a bank account they won't be getting any payments or access to any advances.
      I'm also a bit confused about the cohort of prisoners being selected for release.
      I'm old enough to remember when all prisoners in closed or open conditions were elegible for two home leaves prior to release. A short 3 day leave 9mths prior to release and a 5 day 'terminal' leave 4 mths before release. I find it hard to understand why the criteria for release sees some people eligible for release two months early, but some that don't meet the criteria may be sitting there with a release date only one month away. I wonder why the authorities don't seem concerned that the shorter term prisoners being released may see the opertuity of making a few quid by loading up with drugs and getting themselves recalled. Some may be even forced to so.
      Why has it all become so complicated?

      'Getafix

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    7. I doubt any of those prisoners will give a fcuk as to Napo stupid position on prisoner release. They just want to get out of their hell in jail. If Napo had done any form of a decent job over recent years this position of appearing to argue for custody to continue could and should never arise. Tosser.

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    8. Why the handwringing? Simplest release is for MoJ to get EMS to cover ALL 4,000 releases. Probation will surely only be required as/when the PSS becomes active?

      Presumably that's why this gobbledigook was hastily released on 26 March?

      https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/post-sentence-supervision-requirements-policy-framework

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    9. Highlighted already - Anon 29 March 2020 at 10:06

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  11. Step forward David Lammy...

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    1. Hooray. An excellent appintment as shadow Justice Minister. A clever erudite man who will undoubtedly show up the Tories crass indifference to Probation and fight our corner. I am very pleased.

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  12. I would have preferred richard to stay to be honest

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  13. Ok - but can you and others please tell us about your experiences - either here or anonymously via email address on profile page. Thanks.

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  14. "UK PM Boris Johnson is moved to intensive care in a London hospital"

    Not looking good for BoJo... general consensus is that neither retrovirals nor ventilators are much good once viral pneumonia symptoms start. Its not like bacterial pneumonia. You can't blast the crap out of it with antibiotics. You just have to hope...

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    1. Decode this one.

      Mr Raab says the focus will continue to be on making sure the "prime minister's direction and all the plans for making sure we can defeat coronavirus and pull the country through this challenge will be taken forward", adding "There is an incredibly strong team spirit behind the prime minister and making sure that we get all of the plans that the prime minister has instructed us to deliver... implemented as soon as possible."
      *** making sure the prime minister's direction... will be taken forward ***

      *** all of the plans he has instructed us to deliver ***

      Sounds like he's talking about someone's legacy...

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    2. You almost sound pleased about that, which if you are, is a disgraceful position to take.

      The PM is in all our prayers this evening.

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  15. 22:46 - you sound like you want 21:38 to be pleased...

    But I wouldn't say 21:38 sounds 'pleased'. Just offering a view of what is often the coded language of the civil service.

    Johnson is a known & undoubted philanderer, liar, bully, cheat - just cos the great lummox manipulated the electorate & levered himself into the role of PM doesn't place him at the right hand of whatever deity you offer your prayers to.

    Johnson's just one more of the 1.3+ million who are reported to have contracted the virus, and who might become one of the (almost) 75,000 known cases to die of it.

    Out of interest, how can you say he's in "all our prayers"? He might be in yours, which is fine. He might even be in quite a few peoples' prayers - yeah, why not. But you're in good company. Trump is saying "every American is praying for him".

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  16. 23:13 I'm in agreement with you also, it's a presumption to presume that the PM is in everyones prayers. Everyone has different views and feelings re PM.

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    1. Yes can't say I would support any Tory. He knew the real facts has consistently kept the truth from the public. Been a Tory mischief maker and took opportunity erverytime to self profer to become pm. He knifed may in the back and lied about 350 million a month to NHS on the side of a bus. I'm wagering he would wish he really has funded the NHS than try and sell it off. I don't the Nuffield to harley street able to give him the care he needs. The private health is a scam offering mainstream but no care. If he survives let's hope he learns the value of humility and extending the hand of compassion. Selfish Tory policies. NHS true heroes always have been.

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