Over the last few days and the AGM weekend, two issues have become intertwined in the discussion thread, namely that of the Certification Officer Report and pay. In the absence of official statements on both, it's hard to untangle fact from fiction, supposition from rumour. I'm sure the issue of pay will become clear eventually, but in the case of the CO Report, I doubt it.
In view of this I have attempted to bring together in one place what I feel are salient points in relation to the CO Report and in this we are helped by the almost unprecedented situation of having contributions from two named individuals:-
For many members the background and details leading up to a PO member asking the Certification Officer to rule on a course of action taken by the national officers. What is clear from the Certification Officers report is: The named officers breached the Constitution.
What is less clear is:
1. Why did the officers take the course of action that they did.
2. Who advised the officers (wrongly)
3. Were the ÑEC kept fully and in good time informed.
4. What if any involvement did the General Secretary have.
This action has damaged Napo in many ways and has cost Napo members an undisclosed sum of money. Members should ask these and other questions and the only way to get truthful, honest and unbiased answered it to ask at AGM for an investigation by a independent body (national reps panel?) To report directly to the NEC. Any investigation should be conducted with all possible due diligence.
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Peter Robinson 5 October 2018 at 13:07
The findings of the Certification Officer in "Peros v Napo" bring into the open a sequence of events that spans three attempts to invoke disciplinary process under s29 of the Napo Constitution. I represented the members under the internal s29 action on the other two.
In each case the officers deviated from the processes set out in s29 of the Constitution and the associated Rules laid down by the NEC. It is clear from the findings of the formal hearing last month that the officers were in serious error.
I don't think the Certification Officer is strictly speaking a "Court" but it would also be inaccurate to describe the hearing as a "meeting". It is a formal hearing by a regulatory body and of sufficient importance for Napo to be represented by a barrister accompanied by a solicitor.
The issue with setting up an irregular investigation first arose in 2015. I believe that this was the first time the process had been invoked in a generation. There were other complications in that matter but it was eventually found that there was "no case to answer". The irregularity was not pursued further but the officers were informed that the Constitution would need to be amended by an AGM if the process were to be varied in the future. No action was taken by the officers or the NEC to propose such amendment to the following AGM in 2016 however.
The action in July 2017 in the Peros case was the second in the sequence and had several contentious aspects. These included an intention to use the same irregular investigation process. In October 2017 a third case was opened with similar procedural issues. Initially an outline agreement was reached with the officers whereby the process would be cancelled on completion of undertakings by the member. Although the member complied with her part of that arrangement the officers opted to persist with the disciplinary process. They did so without addressing the procedural irregularities. In a long history of representing Napo members in employment processes I have reached settlement in more than a few but on no occasion has any employer reneged on an agreement. I was dismayed that my own Union should do so.
In March 2018 the disciplinary process in respect of both Dino Peros and the matter I was involved in were scuttled short of a hearing. This means that no valid disciplinary finding has been returned in either case and the time, energy and expenditure has been lost without useful purpose. I would point out that whilst Napo resources underwrote the waste on the “official side” the members affected and their representatives have to bear their own costs.
The persistent deviation from clear provisions in the Constitution needed to be challenged. As the Peros matter predated the other case the complaint was made by him through Dave Rogan. A simple duplication by the other member and myself would not have added to the scope of the action but we would have been prepared to take such action on the same grounds if Dino Peros and Dave Rogan had not done so.
The Constitution safeguards the rights of members and forms a central part of the membership contract. Officers are elected to uphold the Constitution and do not have the authority to vary it at will. I do not see the need for further investigation as to possible culpability as the Certification Officer has covered that. I believe that this is the first adverse finding by the Certification Officer in the history of Napo and is a highly significant event. I hope and trust that Napo will have learned from this experience and that there will be no recurrence. The Napo NEC should review the Constitution as there are a number of matters to be addressed. However there should be no deviation without the necessary membership approval at an AGM.
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A branch could take a detailed motion to NEC asking for full disclosure of the officers and officials decision chain regarding Dinogate (copyright pending) and how much members money was spent on legal costs. Their answers could then be compared with Dino's version of events and those members who give a shit could then decide what, if anything, to do next. If the new chair and GS are found culpable then a motion of no confidence could follow. It only takes a few members in each branch to put forward and win the argument for NEC reps to be mandated. That is unless the top table find some procedural or confidentially orientated reason to block debate. That's the usual way they do it. If so, then members could make their minds up about that. The thing is, this kind of thing isn't new. IL relies on bluff, bluster and lack of interest amongst the dwindling rank and file to get away with this sort of thing. Oh, and claiming credit for the secret pay deal is the ultimate smoke and mirrors exercise. The MOJ had to modernise pay and would have done so even without union involvement. He just sat on the other side of the table and said thank you. Unless they can tell us what extra concessions they forced from the employers of course.
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I rate Jamie. It's a dilemma isn't it? We can wring our hands at the decline in membership, and at some problems that need addressing in its leadership. In order to tackle both, what we need is a call to arms for probation folk to sign up and join. And this will not be helped by public agonising about internal problems. By and large the latter is of interest only to the anoraks, who can then mobilise the members who are motivated to do so, to make some changes.
Lest we forget, the problems besetting the Union are as much to do with the fucking Tory government getting rid of sign-off and doing everything in their power to undermine the effectiveness of Unions. An issue for more than this one Union. The problems of Probation: privatised, hacked about, underpaid, are also down to this government. Harking back to Halcyon days of Probation and the Union is a bit of a bore frankly.
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Peter Robinson 10 October 2018 at 10:07
It would be a mistake for members to dismiss concerns about the Constitution and rules as "of interest only to anoraks". The Constitution is the democratically determined wish of the membership and gives safeguards to member's rights. Section 29 of the Constitution is the only mechanism by which a member is exposed to direct detriment and this raises the possibility for disqualification from office and ultimately expulsion. The whole point of the Peros action at the Certification Office was surely to safeguard those rights from arbitrary variation without authority. Napo argued that the actions were "pragmatic" that the Constitution should not be applied with the strictness of statute. The certification officer evidently did not support that view.
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Well said. A Trade Union needs to abide by its own constitution, else, where is the mandate for Reps to hold employers to account for THEIR failure to abide by the rules in respect of their Members? We just become a hypocritical laughing stock with no authority.
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Have I read the same Certification Officer's Report as discussed on here? I don't think it was ever disputed that the Officers breached the constitution - the Report says that was agreed by all, Officers included. It reads that it was the reasoning behind the breaches that was complained about. So didn't the CO have to find that the constitution was breached?
No action was taken to remedy the breaches as the matter was discontinued and the CO declined to make an Enforcement Order. The CO even noted that no issues of bias or unfairness were raised. It's hardly the disgraceful scandal cited by some in the comments on this issue. In fact, some of the comments have been quite disrespectful about the alleged initial complaint that seems to have been about bullying of someone. It's almost like some members want to create internal damage to Napo rather than focus on the struggles we should be working on! C'mon Dino et al fight for - not against Napo!
It's significant when a national rep, with a long history of representing members with numerous probation areas, finds that his own union are the first in his experience to renege on an agreement. The conclusion is an easy one to reach: Napo cannot be trusted to honour its word, and it follows that every single member who put their trust in Napo may be similarly deceived. There should be accountability for this breach of trust which has damaged the integrity of the union. Officers and Officials are custodians of the union and they are responsible for what happens on their watch, they are not at liberty to depart from the agreed constitution and should act at all times with good faith. On their watch the current custodians breached the constitution, breached an agreement reached with one of their own national reps and inflicted financial detriment by spending thousands of pounds of members' subscriptions to no avail.
ReplyDeleteThere's a Why Join Napo? section on their website, which gives various reasons for joining Napo. Under 5(3) it says,
'Everything we do and how we do it reflects the values of you and the services you work in. We’re honest, open, transparent, professional and when faced with challenges we meet them together for the best interests of members. We find flexible, creative solutions not dogmas.'
They are reflecting something by their recent actions – but they are not values I associate with trade unionism.
I agree with netnipper. I cannot agree with the final comments you have posted on the blog.
DeleteDino is a well known activist and supporter. He is not fighting the union, but the abuse of power that has taken place.
From my experience of NAPO in recent years, this is probably not the only time this has happened. Peter Robinson has cited other examples.
Thank you Jim for collating these contributions.
I for one want some answers.
The Royal College of Nursing (RCN) was recently on the receiving end of a no confidence vote as furious members voiced their dissatisfaction with the union's leadership. The general secretary resigns as well the as full Council. It all boiled down to an issue of trust.
Deletehttps://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/sep/30/nurses-pass-vote-of-no-confidence-in-union-over-pay-deal-handling
Why was there no statement from the GS to the CO hearing? Why did he not give evidence? He failed to defend or even attempt to explain what happened.
ReplyDeleteMore smoke and mirrors
We need an investigation and some accountability
Accountability (Anon at 09.46) - I suspect can ultimately only come via a General Meeting or The National Executive Committee unless the information required is provided voluntarily or the State's legal procedures such as was used with the Certification Officer.
DeleteSo if an individual wants more accountability than has thus been provided it needs a motion to either the national executive committee or to a general meeting.
It will not be possible to remain anonymous to seek more accountability.
Andrew, you have completely misunderstood the post which you are responding to.
DeleteYou are saying that the only way to achieve accountability on individual issues is to put a motion to the NEC. In that case, the 'leadership' can get away with doing anything they want so long as they don't get caught. Perhaps you are suggesting that is their strategy given the excessive secrecy they employ. Lots of decisions but whatever you do, don't involve or even inform the membership.
" It's almost like some members want to create internal damage to Napo rather than focus on the struggles we should be working on! C'mon Dino et al fight for - not against Napo!"
ReplyDeleteI would suggest that Dino & team have - rightly in my view - been fighting for the members' best interests. That is something that's been missing from Napo for the last ten years.
Interesting that when the CRC is vulnerable & there's a chance of Dino & co winning the fight, Napo take Dino to task & suspend him - breaking with union protocol & constitutional rules in a desperate bid to make sure something sticks.
It smacks of something sinister... like the hand of Spurr pulling someone's strings?
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/appointment-of-the-prisons-and-probation-ombudsman
ReplyDeleteI wonder what it was that Peros was accused of. The biggest shame in all of this is that it wasn't investigated properly and he wasn't either held to account or 'cleared'
ReplyDeleteWhatever the allegations, they are irrelevant. The dispute heard by the Certification Officer was about 'process', 'natural justice' and constitutional rights. The CO judged that the union flouted its procedures and that was unjust. A disciplinary investigation is confidential – for Peros, for everyone. Anything else would be mob justice.
DeleteI agree 17.42. The point of the action appears to be getting lost. Peter Robinson has already stated that this behavior was not just relevant to Dino. Others have been treated just as disgracefully. NEC were not informed as and when they should have been and if they are not told they can not act. Now it is out lets wait and see what the next NEC brings. Branches can instruct their NEC as they see fit. All I can say is that we would not let Managers treat our members in this way, and is is quite disheartening to see our Union having the same disregard when it comes to their members and Reps.
Deletehow was it unjust if he suffered no detriment?
ReplyDeleteWhen Ian Lawrence, at the AGM, said no detriment had been suffered he was using the word in a restrictive legal sense. He was being a bit weasel-like with his carefully crafted words.
DeleteIf you take a broader view then anyone whose put through a protracted process, is up against legal counsel and pays his own expenses, then maybe there considerable stress endured – but no legal detriment. As for 'unjust', read the report by the CO and you will understand that the union was found to have acted outside its constitution. That was unjust – that's why the union lost!
Anon 18:18 - "When Ian Lawrence, at the AGM, said no detriment had been suffered he was using the word in a restrictive legal sense. He was being a bit weasel-like with his carefully crafted words."
ReplyDeleteWas the Certification Officer being "weasel-like" when they found that DP had not suffered any detriment?
The allegation is relevant as it looks like it was an unusual situation that Napo was trying to deal with as best they could. But if it involved specific people which it must have, then it would need to remain confidential.
In the Report it starts by saying all parties agreed the constitution was breached yet no enforcement action was taken. It's like marking an offence with an Absolute Discharge. Not sure I'd call that losing.
They didnt win either did they. The fact is all complaints against them were found to be valid. Their behaviour demonstrates a level of arrogance.
DeleteAnd the complaint again Peros hasn't been resolved, which leaves some unanswered questions. The arrogance seems to be on the part of Peros who seems to have tried to score some points, probably in an attempt to massage his ego.
ReplyDeleteAbsolutely not 19:56. A member of a Trade Union has every right to expect said Union to adhere to their own agreed procedures for investigating/managing internal disciplinary procedures. I don't believe that anyone approaches the Certification Officer lightly - if you understand the role then you know results of hearings are openly published - and we are all acutely aware of the potential negative affects of 'washing dirty linen in public '. But sometimes enough is enough. Nothing to do with arrogance. Personally I'm surprised no one has complained sooner to the CO.
DeleteIt unfathomable why most of Napo members seem to follow the leadership slavishly They don’t accept any criticism of it Most will be very experienced in analysing information but seemblinkered when it comes to the actions of Napos leaders I just don’t get it
DeleteThis whole 'issue' is 'unfathomable'. 'Most NAPO members' haven't go the faintest fucking idea what any of you are on about. I'm sure all this how-many-professional-bureacrats-can-dance-on-the-head-of-a-pin stuff is terribly important, but in the meantime the shit wages and shit working conditions go unchallenged....
DeleteThe complaint was not resolved to Dinos satisfaction which was why he cleared his name through court.
DeleteAh so you think he contrived the breaches himself???!!! Just so he could get an ego boost???!! That's seriously wacky thinking
DeleteWell said 23.03. Nut never mind the workers eh? Let the GS spend time and members money fighting in-house squabbles. Then call the directives about pay made from the employer a triumph!
ReplyDeleteGet rid of him I say. Vote of NO CONFIDENCE long overdue.
Agree that the question mark about ability is now focusing on performance and the luck is drying up.
DeleteHave to agree with Anon 19:56 - the whole thing smacks of egotistical massaging!
ReplyDeleteAt no point did the respondent claim Mr Peros claim was vexatious. Certainly not as the result illustrates.
DeleteI hope it would be helpful if some points and earlier comments were clarified, expanded and corrected. Although I recognise some frustration in seeing this matter as a diversion from issues such as pay and conditions it should not be written off as unimportant or inconsequential. Upholding the union’s Constitution affects all members as it set’s out the key precepts on which Napo must operate. Deviation from it’s provisions weakens the charter of membership and the rights of members.
ReplyDeleteAnon 10.10 @ 22:02 says “I don't think it was ever disputed that the Officers breached the constitution - the Report says that was agreed by all, Officers included.” That was not the case advanced by Napo at the outset of the hearing which is set out at paragraph 17 of the findings. Had it been so then the matter would have been over very quickly as it would have gone undefended. There have been three instances of deploying Napo disciplinary process (Section 29 of the Constitution) where the same issues of compliance featured. The Officers attempted to use the first case from 2015/16 (Member “A”) as a precedent for the other two on a custom and practice argument. Following the instigation of the Peros case, which ran July 2017 to March 2018 there was another case raised (“member C”) which ran October 2017 to March 2018. Both had similar features.. The Officers obdurately held fast to the deviations from Napo process throughout despite objections raised from the outset.
The matters could and should have been settled early but as outline settlement agreement reached at an informal meeting with the co-chairs on behalf of “member C” in early October. It would have been possible to use the same formula (in keeping with Napo precedent), to settle the Peros case as well. However, The officers backtracked and decided to press on with the disordered disciplinary process and did not respond to repeated requests for a meeting with Dave Rogan. The only means open to challenge the decisions would have been at a hearing of a disciplinary panel of the NEC which was provisionally planned for March 2018 in both cases. However process in both cases was scuttled on 1 March without the opportunity to present the formal “abuse of process” challenges within Napo. The only avenue open for a definitive ruling was therefore by means of complaint to the certification officer.
The notion that Dino Peros suffered no detriment has been covered by other contributions. Detriment in this case has a legal application and it would be absurd to suggest that being subject to such processes did not cause adverse impact. Furthermore The “resource mismatch” where he and Dave Rogan needed to work in their own time and at their own expense, set against the deeper pockets of the union spending member’s resources, in a very demanding action is considerable. They achieved a declaration to uphold the Constitution and hopefully prevent recurrence. There have been suggestions by some that Dino has acted egotistically in this matter. Such suggestions are scurrilous.
Dino had the foresight to secure the services of a very capable representative throughout this sequence of events. Dave Rogan as many of you will know is Napo’s finest and proved more than a match for the official highly paid legal talent (although having a decent case to argue helped). My advice for members in the unlikely event that you find yourself caught up in Napo disciplinary action is to find a capable representative.
There have been calls for officers and the General Secretary to face some further inquiry. That would not serve a useful purpose in my view. The procedure was considered by some to be “unfit for purpose” in January so we await their proposed amendments for debate at the AGM in Cardiff.
I hope my credentials as a loyal and committed member of Napo is unimpeachable and from that standpoint I suggest that the Certification Officer has served us right (in both senses of the expression)
Peter, thank you for this. However, I feel that there are a number of issues that need further investigation. It seems to many of us that not having an investigation means that continued abuses of power will encourage people to persist. I think the top table will then dodge a bullet.
ReplyDeleteIf the case was that straight forward, why didn't NAPO settle on the issues involved. I understand they were represented by a legal team of a barrister and two solicitors. This doesn't come cheap.
I am aware of other issues which may, or may not be true.
Let's have it all out in the open.
It seems to me that this was a massaging of the egos of NAPO top table. They have remained silent on this.
Please don't forget the other issues of concern that were not referred to the CO. The top table failed to inform the NEC. There is now a conspiracy of silence from them.
There is too much secrecy and furtive actions in NAPO. Not just on this issue. The pay offer is currently in the forefront of members minds, and the lack of information or serious involvement of the members.
I think we are entitled to be informed and consulted on any issue where the top table act on our behalf.
In particular, why did the GS not advise them on the disciplinary issue? This week's blog from him mentioned nothing of the AGM, let alone the emergency motion.
What is going on here?
If I were one of the officers or officials involved, I would welcome an investigation in order to explain the circumstances and why I behaved in that way.
ReplyDeleteIn any event, the AGM voted unanimously for further enquiries. Can't ignore that, can they!
Responding to the last 2 posts:
ReplyDeleteUnfortunately I was unable to be at the Southport AGM due to family commitments. However I understand that the unanimous vote was on an emergency motion the wording of which did not call for further enquiries as you suggest. It called for an explanation to the AGM and an undertaking to prevent recurrence of the deviation from the Constitution.which I understand was given Those responsible had the opportunity to present their rationale at the certification office and the findings too it into account when all four complaints were upheld.
It seems clear that the members and the NEC may have further issues and the NEC can consider further enquiries if it decides to. Care must be taken however to prevent resurrection of the allegations that were subject of the defective process. Those matters ended in March when the process was ditched by the officers. No disciplinary finding has been made in either case. It would be most unjust if any enquiry were to be used as a pretext for re-opening them. The members affected lived under threat of sanctions including disqualification or expulsion. Enough is enough.
If those involved consider the Constitutional process to be defective then it falls to them to bring proposed amendments to the 2019 AGM.
Concerns were expressed about confidentiality but this seems to have been confused with secrecy. The certification officer considered that confidentiality could have been protected under the Constitutional process as it stands and ruled accordingly.