Currently in a court team working as a PO been told today as of 5/2 I’ll be a generic PO doing PSR’s and having a caseload. I’m told this isn’t the national model. Anyone else been put in this situation?
Maybe someone has seen sense and realised separating court work from offender management is unsafe, unworkable and deskilling. I live in hope.
Whilst I do not disagree that working in one particular area can be de-skilling, this can be said for any role.
As I say at work on a daily basis "stop talking common sense, it's no longer allowed".
Indeed. But combining casework and reports makes it less likely and also means the PSR writer continues to understand better the implications of what they’re proposing.
You’re more cynical than me!
That's because we are having to fill ridiculous amounts of RAR days by "padding" out programmes.
But only a little bit more cynical though.
Absolutely, and end to end management would be a fine thing. With the fragmentation of the service and not allowing the CRC an audience with the Court or the ability to make proposals, this can no longer be the case. The implications of TR and many area not having rate cards available have seen a move to recommending generic RARs. More importantly is the service users perspective, I’m sure they would want a report by someone that knows them well and it would also strengthen the “buy in” for the proposal recommended by the author of the report and client.
Hi, what do you mean “this isn’t he national model.” The Court PO role?
Under E3 this is not the model.
That generic PO roles isn't the national model endorsed by the MoJ.
In Xxxxxx.. those of us in case management don’t do any reports any more. Mostly PSOs in court now.
Ridiculous, So glad I got out.
I’m a Court PO and we are heading this way I think. Very annoyed as I moved areas specifically to do this role and I don’t want to go back into case management or prison as I’d be there now if I did! We are inundated with work btw!
We are inundated too it doesn’t make sense.
We are the top performing Court Team in our region and have been so consistently for months!!!
It’s like they think they’ll move us and magically those stats will improve too!
But we are probably gonna end up like you so I’d stay put if I was you lol!
Happily escaped the CRC by retiring early, was in Accredited Programmes, so was pulled into designing RAR nonsense, a load of shoved together bits from various programmes, with no evidence base for interfering with original content, (no evidence base at all as far as I could tell) and delivered by staff who don't want to do groupwork. Disaster, personally wouldn't pay a penny on a rate card for a load of shite... What works ha clearly not this model.
The problem with everyone’s understanding of a RAR is that it’s seen as a target fulfilment, and it is not at all. It simply gives agency to the Responsible Officer to use as they see fit. Expressed as ‘up to’ does not give a minimum obligation and yet people are told to fulfil the full term. Madness. It replaces Specified Activity where it was quite constricted what you could propose as the activity had narrow parameters. Now, if you find something outside of those parameters you can direct someone to attend and make it enforceable. You don’t have to use those days, however, if you don’t want to.
Sorry but RARs are a waste of space!!
As are PSS.
Noted, if I'm moved back to case management I will have to move on!
I cannot say I am massively surprised; they make changes and then it comes full circle and they change it back again... I remember when the model was the five ‘C’s’ (I can’t remember what they all stood for but one was consistency) I think one of the problems is that they don’t have enough PO’s so are trying to stretch existing PO’s as much as possible..(until we break).
Why would anyone want to avoid case management?
I came from a CRC and was doing 2 PO roles combined, vastly over-stretched. When I tendered my resignation they said they would split it back into 2 roles if this have any bearing on my decision. So I would say I am having a time out for that reason.
These Facebook discussions are from last October following news regarding extra payments to the CRCs. Like much material, there never seemed an appropriate moment to publish it, but it still seems highly relevant and I'm loathe to just let it go and not be recorded somewhere:-
Well they had better start using that money quickly then because from what I see the NPS recruitment campaign is without doubt going to nick all the staff and money to no avail because there will be no properly trained staff left to manage the crap they're dishing out.
Any chance of a pay rise after nothing in all these years?!
From what I hear NPS's reputation isn't one to want me to join - and don't tar all CRC's with the same brush!
I tend not to comment but some CRCs like the one in my area are doing a great job still after TR which shows true dedication to the most important part of our purpose "our offenders"!!!
Well it's not about the people who work in CRC at all, it's about the process and the way the service users are dealt with. Since when is it ok to manage someones problems over the phone. How many times have you tried to get an answer to a problem over the phone. How is justice served. It's about how to work with people not automated answer machines. I'm old school whereby I think people should be treated respectfully, service users and communities, so don't tell me about how CRCs are wonderful. The people may be working their best but the systems they work under are truly diabolical. Ask the courts.
I think you're missing the point here. I'm talking about the system not the process. You may not use telephone contacts but that is a fact it is used and it's not right to manage someone who has committed an offence by a telephone call or fail to recognise all the issues. So before you need to have CRCs I'm stating a fact as a member of the public plus an ex CRC worker that to get things right you can't do them on the cheap. It's about what's in front of you and how to go forward. Technology is being used not for the good and if you think it is then I fear there is little by way of movement is there.
Again my CRC doesn't do things on the cheap - we have no shareholders and have a not for profit ethos - the participant is the centre of our work. We have a working TTG - we have technology that supports face to face contact and although not everything is perfect - we are constantly evolving and adapting to provide participants with a service they deserve.
What area are you in if you don't mind me asking?
Durham area at a guess. They are not owned by one of the multi nationals. Maybe it feels different up there.
Okay that makes sense. Glad not everyone is suffering and things are going well. Would be great to share more and see if London CRC can adopt some of what is going well. We seem to be going round and round in circles
I'm jealous. As Xxxxxx says, our experience is staff working longer hours with bigger case loads and a hub which deals with people via telephone contact. It's very difficult to get any meaningful work in which encourages the service user to change. It was difficult enough before the split, now nigh on impossible. I think part of our issue which wasn't addressed at any point by the Gvt. is the rurality. If you add the rurality to the number of staff cuts through VR, interventions staff end up running around, travelling miles to deliver programmes and RARs
If you add to all of that with the NPS who aren't faring much better, advertising and then CRC POs jumping the fence as they see it as easier/more secure or what ever, it doesn't make for good reading.
Divide and conquer. No one service is better...we are now two different entities....guys let's get along if we don't....then...well we lose xxx Remember what we had and think what we could have if we stay true to the ethos of probation. x
Yeah we are DTV - and still work well with NPS - maybe because it's still all of the same colleagues we have worked with forever - it's frustrating when CRCs are talked about as one entity - I agree we were better off before Chris G got involved - but I work with probation CEO, operational director, managers and operational officers - we know we are very lucky to be where we are proud to be DTV!
The point here isn't it is no matter how hard you work no matter how much effort you put into staying proud, strong it's not your efforts that will take it higher, it will be the companies who make the decision about a service they know bugger all about. We as Xxxxx said have rurality to deal with. We don't have infrastructure that allows us the opportunity to have facilities which are easily accessible unless there is drive by the CRC provider to.
Also, I think, in terms of staff on the front line, in our area at least all still get on so well, because of rurality it still feels much like family to me. However, I have to say I have now given up the ghost and requested early retirement. :(