A Second Chance
As an academic and former probation practitioner I would very much like to comment in my own name and in a few years’ time when I retire I may well do so. Unfortunately, the most powerful voices are not those who comment anonymously but those who are prepared to comment critically in their own name. People like Frances Crook and the late Professor Paul Senior who had established themselves to a point where they were sufficiently well known and respected to do so without fear of repercussions. Unfortunately, although Jim has a good record for allowing others to share his platform such as the late Professor Paul Senior, those commenting on the blog have established a reputation for shooting down those who actually are trying to deal with the reality and tackle some of the issues head on.I think on occasions there has been some anti and inter union decidedly uncomradely mischief and propagandising on the blog. It worries me because I wonder about the motives of those concerned. Because the anonymous commentators can take a pot shot and hide behind their anonymity, we do not know who they are and that deters those we might like to hear from contributing to the blog discussions. For instance, whenever the Probation Institute is mentioned, this seems to stir up a huge amount of largely irrational vitriolic resentment regarding its supposed genesis. Half of what I read about its origin story is utter nonsense as certain bodies have always got MoJ start-up handouts including Napo who were started by the Home Office.
Money is money at the end of the day and of all the money that TR wasted that money given to the Probation Institute was, as far as I am aware, at least accounted for and not misspent or bought any particular favours. Yes, it got £80k from the TR pot but that was a great deal less than one enhanced retirement package for a former senior Probation Trust manager, and nothing compared with other expenses – try to get over that and move on. It is of course the child not of Grayling and TR but of the Probation Chiefs Association and the Probation Association. It is not a campaigning organisation but rather focused on practice issues and it has kept to its script and maintained a positive voice for the probation profession. God knows we need all the voices and support we can get. Napo also gets short shrift from commentators on the blog that to many genuine members and observers of probation seems to be unwarranted and unfair.
Constructive criticism of a democratic organisation is valuable but there is point where it just sounds nasty and unprofessional. This puzzles many thousands of Napo members who get a good service from their union as a result of the many experienced local reps and benefit from a small but solid admin team in the centre. There used to be a friendly rivalry between UNISON and Napo in particular however at the negotiating table in reality they are equally represented and perform in more or less the same way. Napo used to be more practice focused as a professional association, but it has undoubtedly lost influence. This is not entirely as a result of leadership woes that will not end when the present incumbents move on or are ousted, but largely due to the focus of its members who with a few notable exceptions do not seem to be interested anymore in organising and campaigning for change.
I cannot help thinking though that those commenting on the blog should consider being more supportive of trade unionism and trades union values as well as professional practice that by and large should go hand in hand. Unions still have some statutory rights regarding consultation of certain matters and access to the corridors of power (some of the leaders were previously activists) and so do professional associations and institutes. Use the pathways of influence you have available to you rather than shooting them down at every opportunity.
Good work is being done by trade unionists and also those working with the Probation Institute (often behind the scenes) including some very respected fellow academics who in my experience can be very persuasive. Academics, particularly the more experienced ones, can often choose where to focus the emphasis of their research. Early stage academics have other pressures. If they keep being criticised and shot down this is discouraging to say the least and may even possibly mean they choose to cast their gaze elsewhere.
Those ranged against the sort of probation reform we might want to see also want to see us divided and sniping at each other in a stupefying show of professional disarray. I would suggest that we all try instead to find ways to support those who want to help and support practitioners. We have all heard of motivational techniques that ignore the undesirable behaviours and encourage the good behaviours instead and that approach is surprisingly effective as well as making you feel better. There is such a thing as enjoying the problems too much and spending insufficient time and energy on the solutions. So try to help the unions in their campaigns that will then be bolstered by your not inconsiderable support and they can then feel emboldened in their demands knowing you have their back. Join a union and encourage others to join and exercise your democratic rights as a member to get what you want on the agenda and make those you would otherwise criticise work for you.
Grit your teeth and support the Probation Institute. Give it a try. Have a look at their publications and take an interest as there is some good stuff being done. If someone speaks out who is broadly supportive of probation, whoever they are, then try to say something positive and constructive rather than attacking them personally, misrepresenting what someone else said they might have said or done or generally rubbishing what they are now saying. Probation people usually give others a second chance, or at least hear them out, otherwise I guess they might be pretty poor at their job.
Just a few suggestions that are guaranteed to irk those who really do not want a strong independent probation service that all probation staff can be proud of but will hopefully encourage others to engage more and be more positive and constructive.
Constructive criticism of a democratic organisation is valuable but there is point where it just sounds nasty and unprofessional. This puzzles many thousands of Napo members who get a good service from their union as a result of the many experienced local reps and benefit from a small but solid admin team in the centre. There used to be a friendly rivalry between UNISON and Napo in particular however at the negotiating table in reality they are equally represented and perform in more or less the same way. Napo used to be more practice focused as a professional association, but it has undoubtedly lost influence. This is not entirely as a result of leadership woes that will not end when the present incumbents move on or are ousted, but largely due to the focus of its members who with a few notable exceptions do not seem to be interested anymore in organising and campaigning for change.
I cannot help thinking though that those commenting on the blog should consider being more supportive of trade unionism and trades union values as well as professional practice that by and large should go hand in hand. Unions still have some statutory rights regarding consultation of certain matters and access to the corridors of power (some of the leaders were previously activists) and so do professional associations and institutes. Use the pathways of influence you have available to you rather than shooting them down at every opportunity.
Good work is being done by trade unionists and also those working with the Probation Institute (often behind the scenes) including some very respected fellow academics who in my experience can be very persuasive. Academics, particularly the more experienced ones, can often choose where to focus the emphasis of their research. Early stage academics have other pressures. If they keep being criticised and shot down this is discouraging to say the least and may even possibly mean they choose to cast their gaze elsewhere.
Those ranged against the sort of probation reform we might want to see also want to see us divided and sniping at each other in a stupefying show of professional disarray. I would suggest that we all try instead to find ways to support those who want to help and support practitioners. We have all heard of motivational techniques that ignore the undesirable behaviours and encourage the good behaviours instead and that approach is surprisingly effective as well as making you feel better. There is such a thing as enjoying the problems too much and spending insufficient time and energy on the solutions. So try to help the unions in their campaigns that will then be bolstered by your not inconsiderable support and they can then feel emboldened in their demands knowing you have their back. Join a union and encourage others to join and exercise your democratic rights as a member to get what you want on the agenda and make those you would otherwise criticise work for you.
Grit your teeth and support the Probation Institute. Give it a try. Have a look at their publications and take an interest as there is some good stuff being done. If someone speaks out who is broadly supportive of probation, whoever they are, then try to say something positive and constructive rather than attacking them personally, misrepresenting what someone else said they might have said or done or generally rubbishing what they are now saying. Probation people usually give others a second chance, or at least hear them out, otherwise I guess they might be pretty poor at their job.
Just a few suggestions that are guaranteed to irk those who really do not want a strong independent probation service that all probation staff can be proud of but will hopefully encourage others to engage more and be more positive and constructive.
Old Academic
Trade unionism, professionalism & institutes that further practice development are excellent ideas.
ReplyDeleteA strong independent probation service? Yes Fucking Please!
Sadly the probation environment has been poisoned by TR/right-wing scorched earth ideology.
Those that promoted, profited from, facilitated or otherwise refused to challenge those ideologies are, in my view, rightly regarded as complicit, collaborators in the destruction of the Real Probation Service.
Many untruths have been spoken to bring about the current situation, many promises have been broken, much trust has been lost. As a consequence many untruths have been spoken in general.
Unity is a beautiful thing, but it ain't going to be a feature of the probation world anytime soon; at least not whilst those who expedited TR & the 'new' probation force continue to sit in seats of power, e.g. HMPPS/NPS/NAPO/PI.
There are a lot of very angry, disappointed, bitter people who had careers ruined, lives ruined, and whose lifetime of service was rewarded by the wholesale theft of monies they were entitled to. Most were people who dedicated their lives to working positively with their clients only to be embittered by the spiteful behaviour of the greedy, the power-hungry & the bullies.
So when someone writes "Just a few suggestions that are guaranteed to irk those who really do not want a strong independent probation service", its evident they haven't a clue as to the strength of feeling out here. Or they don't care. Or they want everyone to embrace the lame revisionist approach: "We are where we are. Time to move on."
I liked this positive view posted the other day:
"This new-fangled do-as-I-say probation force can never be reinstated as an independent professional service. Its a write-off; the damage is structural & beyond economical or moral repair.
Let the HMPPS' pisspoor reproduction of the Probation Service die on its arse.
Think outside the tick-box & prepare for the next incarnation."
Someone thinking ahead, thinking of the future, looking to creating a strong independent Probation Service.
Brilliant as I wish I had the confidence to say this well written piece has pushed me on thank you. The academic suggests a negative by those who would dare complain about pi or Napo. The truth is there is no trust and Napo has illustrated it's compliance and indeed support for the moj stuffing our pay and our jobs. Complicit yes Ian Lawrence definitely is and remains incapable of leading. Surrounded by the remaining hangers on to no place. We are screwed over by the funded by members own union defence team yet no accounting for their inaction. The pi is a grayling springing out filled with some really indecent ex cpos you figure that academic your so clever. Bad senior management are like knot weed Don't tell us mushrooms not to argue we have been royalty abused for the last 9 years and more shit coming. It's true what they say academics know fuck all .
DeleteHow refreshing. As a regular commenter on this blog, I realise the tone has been getting increasingly "bitter and twisted". One of the strengths of Probation is its academic tradition, and grateful now for this intervention and wake-up call
ReplyDeleteEvidenced based practice was removed from probation by probation. Probation CEOs and HMPPS long removed the academic link and traditions. Probation training was diluted, eLearning has become the norm, and interventions and practices are based on money and resourcing as opposed to what works. This cannot be blamed on probation staff.
Delete09:45 The tone has indeed become 'bitter and twisted' and also relentlessly resentful to the point of whining whingeing weariness. These are not things that win the hearts and minds of those who we might turn to for assistance support and help. How refreshing it is to hear from someone encouraging others to do something positive and constructive for a change. Too much individual sniping and griping and not enough positive coordinated collective action.
DeleteThat’s like removing NHS dentists and then blaming private dentists for not embracing the previous NHS culture because it was better for patients.
DeleteProbation staff are not “whinging”. The rose-tinted probation service you’re referring to no longer exists.
Your are very much ignorant of the reality my friend. It is the current probation values and leadership that are bitter and twisted.
Yes quite lift the lid a little in any office you'll see this is accurate.
DeleteOld Academic, if you worked in probation currently you’d have a very different opinion. It’s a shame you fail to understand why probation staff can only speak out anonymously. Your message of “join a union” and “support the PI” is blinkered after you’ve accused those that feels failed and unrepresented by them of “utter nonsense” and “irrational vitriolic resentment”. Try to put aside any rose-tinted gloss; academics couldn’t be farther removed from the reality of working in probation 2021.
ReplyDelete“I think on occasions there has been some anti and inter union decidedly uncomradely mischief and propagandising on the blog.”
The truth is that Napo has done very little to support probation staff. Since before TR it’s actions have been too little too late. Under the current GS there has been a lot of bluster while our terms and conditions have diminished.
“Grit your teeth and support the Probation Institute. Give it a try.”
The PI was set up by former probation chief officers that were complicit in TR, and made a bunch of others “fellows”. As an offshoot of the Probation Association and Probation Chiefs Association, the PI has done very little to challenge the dismantling of probation. It spent that last 6 years romancing the CRCs and the third sector, rather than trying to be a professional institute for probation. The Probation Institute represents #probation in name only, and until that changes it will remain as, “the lipstick on the TR pig’.
“Good work is being done by trade unionists and also those working with the Probation Institute (often behind the scenes) including some very respected fellow academics who in my experience can be very persuasive.”
Grit your teeth and try to understand how difficult the experience of current probation practitioners is. Probation conditions are abysmal, this has worsened since reunification. There is good reason why many have lost faith in #probation unions and have little support for organisations that offer window-dressing to aggressive HMPPS policies.
Cheers,
Old Probation Officer.
Thank you old po another well thought out accurate and reflective state of play of the real scene at work. It is annoying but I send job another old po put this trite out to creat another lively debate. Nevertheless I respect every well placed word in your post.
Delete“Just a few suggestions that are guaranteed to irk those who really do not want a strong independent probation service that all probation staff can be proud of”.
ReplyDeleteA quick google of probation and irk brings up this comment. I think a fitting response.
Anonymous27 February 2018 at 01:11
It irks me that so many of those chief officers received huge payouts and Queens honours for facilitating the shafting of probation and staff.
Heather Munro stitched up London Probation Trust, sold off Community Payback before TR and kept quiet about all the problems it’d caused. No surprise she received the biggest payout of all. Took retirement on the eve of the split and hasn’t been heard much of since.
Tessa Webb stitched up Herts Probation Trust, sold off employment services before TR, kept quiet about the problems. Shortly after becoming head of BeNCH CRC, retired and walked away with a huge payout and staff got jack. Now she’s a HMIP inspector. Hadn’t done the job for 20 years, looked down her nose from her ivory tower, then boom she’s back telling everyone how to do their job. It’s Pathetic!
Sarah Billiald did right by Kent Probation Trust. She wasn’t even probation trained but had more credibility than the rest of them. Saw her on the news a few times before Grayling silenced her. She publicly called TR “Act of vandalism based on ideology”. The only probation chief to speak out without holding back the small print.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/jan/09/act-vandalism-based-ideology
A “strong independent probation service is what we lost because of poor unions, bad leadership and a useless probation institute that did next to nothing for the staff through the next few years of chaos.
And another
ReplyDeleteAnonymous26 February 2018 at 10:35
Of course they did - they were responsible for the sifting, for deciding who got what, who was eligible for the enhanced payout, for scheduling who could transfer where. How many ex-Trust staff were paid out under the enhanced scheme then re-employed by either the CRC or NPS, while admin, PSO & PO staff were directed to the CRCs then cast adrift with a much-reduced pay-off - despite the MoJ handing over the fully costed EVR funds to the CRC, i.e. the £multi-million bung from the Modernisation Fund which the CRCs pocketed. They were only ever interested in themselves. Jim's blog-piece today refers to a highly relevant & oft-repeated mantra: "if you were crap with clients, you got promoted."
Anonymous26 February 2018 at 15:29
"Meanwhile probation Chiefs cashed in and left us in this mess;
'In total, 10 senior executives secured six-figure deals including lump-sum payouts as well as pension top-ups. They include Sally Lewis, the outgoing chief executive of Avon and Somerset Probation Trust, whose exit package totalled £293,000, and Russell Bruce, the outgoing chief executive of Durham Tees Valley Probation Trust, who received a redundancy package worth £230,000. Heather Munro, the former head of the then London Probation Trust (now the London CRC), who was paid a salary of more than £130,000 in her final year of employment, left with a deal worth £247,196. Her pension pot was valued at £1.4m.'
Another old Probation Officer here.
ReplyDeleteDisappointing to see the continuing bitterness and division following what I thought was a considerate and courteous post. Academics in the field are -by and large- allies of "Probation" by which I mean the values-led profession that we want it to be. This appalling government survives and thrives on division amongst those it is trashing. The Unions were not the architect of TR, the Insitute is not a Union, but is doing its best to nurture the academic ingredient of Probation culture.
This blog has been a vehicle for the expression of grief and rage of probation staff, and it performs a useful function while we are gagged. The sense that we are not being heard is exacerbated by the public celebratory upbeat pronouncements from the leadership, and how many times have I yearned to "gag" the Brave New World nonsense that has been trotted out. But lets not shout at each other. We can at least hear each other. I have vented my spleen often enough in these comments and it can be cathartic, but it wont of itself change anything. I have been a member of a Union since forever, I cant imagine not being.
To be honest, of late the comments section of this blog has frequently just been a dead bore. I do have a clue, and I do 'feel your pain' becuase its my pain too. TR impacted on my happiness, my health and my finances. I wont ever "get over it" but we have to move on, if only for our own sanity and welfare. I would prefer to contribute what little I can to advising assisting and walking alongside my clients, and doing whatever else I can towards efforts to salvage what we can from the wreckage.
And we should also note that academia has been publishing and researching and talking, and saying with authority many of the things we want to be said. Academics always say and write it in cool calm prose, which doesnt convey the hurt and pain, but they say it with authority, and some influence. I for one am grateful
Pearly Gates
The unions were slow and ineffective with TR and the academics were silent. There was a rumour Napo brought very few, if any, serious claims on behalf of staff. Paul Senior was one of the few that spoke out. As I recall he published an open-edition journal on the subject matter.
DeleteNapo took no cases and in many quelled the claims for the employers . Fact.
DeleteWell said 14:16 Pearly Gates There are quite a long list of academics who have spoken out on behalf of probation including quite a few who used to be probation officers or social work trained. hopefully this blog post will mark a turning of the negative tide into something a little more reasoned and robust. I commend Jim for posting this and I suspect he is tiring of the same old often poisonous tirade and hoping for a bit more hope and a way forward. We have seen a large number of half truths and often repeated misrepresentations reiterated here but also a few grains of truth. The truths I want to hold onto are that academics with an interest in probation have been overwhelmingly benevolent and true to the traditional values of our profession. They have not supported the disastrous political decisions made that have impacted on our profession. This and the robust support of our allies has empowered other campaigning organisations to take heart and carry on supporting the idea of probation. There is also a truly radical voice in probation and still a steely core residing within many probation staff (not just the old ones) just waiting for an opportunity to fight back. But we have to realise that many professions have been ground down including teachers and healthcare professionals. We are not alone and our struggle is the similar to others. I personally think we have to focus upon a few key things and try to change the narrative to keep returning to them. >Out of the Civil Service< Firstly probation needs to extract itself from the deadening and stultifying dead-end that is the civil service. You do this by getting the truth out from the frontline to those who have freedom to speak including respected media sources, unions, institutes and pressure groups. This needs to be whistleblowing. >Build a rock solid evidence based foundation< Secondly we need to support and be supported by academics who can provide insights and research evidence that is convincing. This can be very critical of the things we know are being done that do not work. But we cannot just say it we must help others to demonstrate it. We need to help others make convincing arguments for what works, for whom and under what circumstances. >Have more vision than that of the current leadership and know where we want to get to< Thirdly we need to be more united around a vision of what we would like the service to be like as an alternative and get some cross party buy in and support. We need to devise a blueprint for the sort of service we would like to see develop and provide a roadmap to get from where we have ended up to where we would like to go. We need to make our arguments as coolly and rationally as possible.
DeleteAlternatively we can just use this blog to let off steam and have a good old rant and keep going over the same old ground ad nauseum to no avail. The choice is ours.
You say good work is being done by trade unionists and also those working with the Probation Institute (often behind the scenes) including some very respected fellow academics who in your experience can be very persuasive. Tell that to the hundreds if not thousands of probation staff whose profession has been irreversibly changed since 2014. Tell it to those that had to jump ship, or were forced overboard. Tell it to those still suffering, as to many probation offices are toxic environments.
ReplyDeleteYou say Academics, particularly the more experienced ones, can often choose where to focus the emphasis of their research. We know, we’ve had the CBT, desistance, personality disorder and trauma informed gravy trains ridden over our back constantly.
For starters, what’d be nice, is if the academics, the unions, the probation institute & Co all denounced the dilution of probation office training, the unnatural attachment to prisons, the civil service, etc.
"It worries me because I wonder about the motives of those concerned."
ReplyDeleteI worry more about the motives of those who *aren't* concerned.
Irk - to irritate or annoy? Like a piece of gravel in your shoe?
No, I',m not 'irked'.
I'm fucking raging at the high-falutin' attempt to whitewash the impact of TR, to exonerate those who helped destroy the Probation Service, to try to elevate the current pale imitation into the realms of credibility.
The napo-bashing (yep, there's been plenty) and the p.i. bashing (also plenty of) and the slagging off of individuals (again, a fair bit); no, not edifying, not pretty, not always factually accurate. So why?
Its all been generated in the wake of the unfettered trashing of a profession, the corrupt waste of vast sums of public money, endless barefaced lies, misdirections and shameless collusion.
"Academics, particularly the more experienced ones, can often choose where to focus the emphasis of their research."
So, academia, do your stuff. You would do well to examine what the fuck has happened to the Probation Service since 2008.
Why 2008? Two reasons:
1. The Offender Management Bill completed its passage through Parliament in July 2007, and the first six probation trusts came into being on 1 April 2008
2. Judy McKnight spent her working life as a public sector trade union official. She was General Secretary of Napo, the trade union and professional association for family court and probation staff, from 1993 until her retirement in 2008.
Jim b has crafted this blog and ocasionally blow the doors off with a controversy blog. Great well done editing is effective then. Some of the name calling and what not is deserved when some of what is well known and first hand experiences of major issues. What we have faced and where it went wrong particularly the things I saw were deliberately done and ignoring more than a small warning not too . It was mentioned above the privatisation London CP was allowed to go ahead by Napo unchallenged despite the then new GS JL it was a test to see if unions would fight in law London CP privatisation. They made a decision not to challenge moj and that is the one fatal act which meant they opened the doors to tr on mass. I know this . Ledgergate shot himself again in a sex scandal and the pretender to the throne slipped into a role he has no commitment to and promptly had no chance to help us. There is a lot of Napo cover up collusion and mess making. No accountable structure anymore. Comparatively the police in London need to check all the officers credibility and we should have done the same in Napo years ago. Judy McKnight is still revered by many as she never colluded nor could it have been said. With her in role London CP test privatisation would have gone to national action and law. TR would have been fought properly by a real trade unionist and her chosen team.
DeleteThis is the best response. I totally agree.
DeleteI second the motion;
‘So, academia, do your stuff: Why 2008?’
I knew Judy McKnight personally over many years and stood on a picket line with her. She was OK and decent enough but like anyone had her faults and foibles and did not always make the right call. Best not to put leaders on pedestals. Jonathan Ledger was highly regarded until he was not. Ian Lawrence was in the right place at the right time but has proven to be lacking as a leader in difficult times and probably more flawed than all of his predecessors but he has somehow limped along propped up by others. Napo members deserve better leaders at HQ but they will have to use democratic processes to remove him/others or wait for him to retire/step down. It is unlikely he will go without a golden goodbye. Who would they choose to replace him? This blog doesn't seem to have an answer.
DeleteThe outgoing chairs had neither the wits nor skill to deal with him properly and there are some scandals he was linked to but as usual the chairs were and currently shop display models only. There was a conspiracy involving a co chair to oust him but their coup only brought another loser from poa and that golden handshake for the incumbent was still payable.it was well publicised on this blog.
Deletea golden goodbye. Who would they choose to replace him? This blog doesn't seem to have an answer.
DeleteAnyone could a better job the current does nothing of real value yet paid royally . We need a full sweep.
People cannot move on until there is the acknowledgment of the huge injustice created by the TR split. Careers were ruined, huge amount of money wasted, where was napo and the PI when staff were sifted into crc's to be deskilled and belittled by former colleagues, driven by elitist management telling staff they were special. Try working on the ground with management telling us it's all wonderful, with staff leaving or going sick. This wasnt just an irk, lives were devastated including the people we worked with and the victims.
ReplyDeleteMany of those cpos are still in as fellows of the pi.
Deletelets ensure that we remember our history correctly! It wasnt Johnathan Ledger that colluded with Heather Munroe and sold London CP to the lowest bidder. It was he with the ironic Initials TR or Tom Rendon
ReplyDeleteOk let's get it right . Your wrong it was the chair prior to rendon. Then rendon and his co runner were both inept and unable to have any prospects of leading the fool Lawrence on temporary bodge duty. . The former chair also poorly skilled for the role ended his time amidst the crash of ledgergate as chair he failed to manage the Napo and skulked away trying to avoid the egg storm. He managed that but the die had been cast already as the moj plans had been advanced. Neither rendon and his running co chair had any real skill for the role. It was a title shot and they won out on joint votes. They both went onto to crash, both incredibly and exposed Napo further to ruination. Members elect the grossly incompetent for the wrong reasons.
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