Saturday, 5 April 2014

More on Bidding

This is a key time as bidders try and decide whether to proceed or not, so here's a few more bits and pieces on the topic:-

Now Grayprils fools day is gone it's probably worth looking at whats really going on from a different perspective. Once upon a time Serco and G4S were the governments golden boys, but now sadly for them they're bruised and tired and known as dirty companies.

Then it was ATOS. They did great things curing more sick and disabled people then were cured by divine miracles at Lourdes. They for a while also dined at the top table with our neoliberal gods. Now? Towel thrown in, bloody nosed, and a corporate reputation that can only be described as toxic they're going back to France. All of these companies not only have been labelled filthy companies, but they've paid the government many millions of pounds for achieving that reputation.


More recently Buddi have looked to become that favoured child. But after years of trying and at considerable financial cost they decided to cut their losses and go. Losing time and money is one thing, but seeing the true cost of a government contract, they decided it just really wasn't worth it. The odd thing is that Buddi, unlike the others, have enhanced their corporate reputation by walking away. It's clear that whilst money's good, moral fibre, social values and ethics are priceless.


The favoured one at this moment in time would appear to be Capita. Tagging contract, and top of the pile for any new contracts awarded. Indeed their share price has risen recently because of the favour shown towards them by government.


But all is not as it seems. Local councils that have awarded them contracts are beginning to grumble loudly. Birmingham in fact are trying to oust them. They can do the same job themselves at a fraction of the cost that Capita charge. So how long before they start to feel the wrath of Whitehall, begin to reel from reputational damage, and be forced to hand back multiple millions of pounds? Who knows - but it's sure going to happen!


Government contracts? Be smart and leave well alone, don't get Graypril fooled.


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I have no doubt that Graylings plans took a massive hit when Serco and G4S were identified as very crooked companies. They would have taken most of the TR contracts as prime providers. With the withdrawal of many interested parties and bidders becoming so few, I'm left wondering if this move by Serco recently may have any significance towards TR?
Rupert Soames is joining Serco as its chief executive a month earlier than expected as the security giant looks to quickly rebuild its reputation in the electronic tagging scandal's wake. Serco said in a brief statement that Soames, who is the grandson of British wartime prime minister Winston Churchill, will now take the helm on May 1 rather than in June. He joins from his role as boss of energy firm Aggreko. The business is under criminal investigation by the Serious Fraud Office (SFO) after it emerged that the Ministry of Justice had been overcharged on Serco's contract to carry out the electronic tagging of criminals. In some cases it was alleged that taxpayers were billed for tagging work that was never carried out. Serco's rival G4S, another outsourcing firm, is also caught up in the scandal. When the SFO investigation was announced, Serco's then chief executive Christopher Hyman quit. Serco was subject to a ban on government contracts until early 2014 as a result of the tagging furore.

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I heard from someone working for a potential external bid team that they are concerned about the deals struck by the unions in terms of no redundancies and maintaining T&C's for a set period (obviously, as we all knew, part of their business model was to cut staff). Also, concerns about a dissatisfied work force (highlighted by this weeks strike), and the potential union involvement at a later date if job changes etc take place.

I doubt the main players will have these concerns, they'll just ride roughshod over people. But a lack of competition may leave scope for the unions to make waves; the likelihood is the proposed CRC services will be scaled back when they realise they don't have to offer so much (and thereby reduce their profit) to win a bid for the contracts. 


Then there's this continuing problem for A4E as reported in the Daily Mail:-
Four former employees of scandal-hit welfare-to-work firm A4E admitted swindling taxpayers yesterday. The guilty pleas follow a police investigation into the troubled company which is paid more than £200m by the Government each year. 
All four were arrested after the Daily Mail revealed concerns about taxpayer-funded employment schemes run by A4E two years ago. The company was employed by the Department for Work and Pensions to deliver an employment and training scheme called 'Inspire to Aspire'. It pocketed huge sums from the public purse for getting people off benefits by delivering training and helping people to find work.
But Whitehall officials called in police over concerns that staff were billing taxpayers for 'successful' work that was not carried out or for non-existent clients. A whistleblower claimed forged signatures and blank timesheets were 'routine' techniques used for bumping up the numbers of successful job placements. The four former A4E recruiters admitted a total of 32 offences during a hearing at Reading Crown Court yesterday.
All the offences took place between over four years until February 2013. No date has been set for the former employees to be sentenced. They each face up to 10 years in prison. The A4E controversy began in February 2012 when it was revealed that its founder Emma Harrison had paid herself £8.6 million. Damaging allegations followed that workers at the firm were inappropriately claiming 'success' fees, sometimes for individuals who worked for no more than 24 hours. Officers from Thames Valley Police's economic crime unit searched its headquarters in Slough, Berkshire, as politicians called for a full inquiry.
The furore forced Mrs Harrison, worth an estimated £70 million, to step down as chairman and resign from her role as David Cameron's 'back to work tsar'. Mrs Harrison remains the majority shareholder after building up the company, formerly called Action For Employment, into an operation spanning 11 countries. Her boasts that she can find jobs for the long-term unemployed have won her a string of lucrative Whitehall contracts over the past 20 years. A4e is one of several contractors which earn payments for helping the out-of-work find a job. Half of its work is subcontracted to charities, generating millions in management fees. A further eight former A4E employees, aged between 25 and 43, are expected to go on trial in October accused of fraud.
To ordinary citizens it seems incredible that any government would even consider giving yet more contracts to companies whose employees have been proved to be involved in systemic fraud that benefits the company rather than the individuals directly. This is what the Public Contract Regulations 2006 says:-  
Criteria for the rejection of economic operators

23. (1) Subject to paragraph (2), a contracting authority shall treat as ineligible and shall not select an economic operator in accordance with these Regulations if the contracting authority has actual knowledge that the economic operator or its directors or any other person who has powers of representation, decision or control of the economic operator has been convicted of any of the following offences—

(a) conspiracy within the meaning of section 1 of the Criminal Law Act 1977 where that conspiracy relates to participation in a criminal organisation as defined in Article 2(1) of Council Joint Action 98/733/JHA;

(b) corruption within the meaning of section 1 of the Public Bodies Corrupt Practices Act 1889) or section 1 of the Prevention of Corruption Act 1906;

(c ) the offence of bribery;

(d) fraud, where the offence relates to fraud affecting the financial interests of the European Communities as defined by Article 1 of the Convention relating to the protection of the financial interests of the European Union, within the meaning of—

(i) the offence of cheating the Revenue;

(ii) the offence of conspiracy to defraud;

(iii) fraud or theft within the meaning of the Theft Act 1968 and the Theft Act 1978;

Finally, I saw this interesting observation on facebook which rather neatly sums up the dilemma for NPS-bound colleagues:-
So I started reading the Becoming a Civil Servant Guide this morning...I managed to get to point 2 before wanting to throw it in the fire....Not convinced I want to come back to the UK and resume with NPS anymore!

"2. The duty of the individual civil servant is first and foremost to the Minister of the Crown who is in charge of the Department in which he or she is serving. In the context of the National Offender Management Service (NOMS) and the Ministry of Justice, this is the Justice Secretary, Chris Grayling."

44 comments:

  1. Can someone answer me this question.....do the 7 year protections of terms and conditions really mean much? I 'd be interested to know if an incoming CRC can get round them by saying they needed to alter contracts for 'business reasons'....or is that not possible?

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    1. As I understand it what is protected is our continuity of service(eg AL days accrued etc) for 7yrs if we move between jobs from 1 CRC to another CRC or from NPS to CRC. It is NOT protected if you move from a CRC into NPS

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    2. Also i think these are meaningless if they can make you redundant after 7 months.

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    3. Which can happen in NPS as well as CRC. As people seem to think that public is always safe. Get some brains people!!!!!!!!!!!!1

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  2. Did my TR training last week. I really felt for the two superb colleagues having to deliver the dog's breakfast. The only timescale I was interested in was about just how quickly is all this bureaucracy going to fall apart? How quickly will the prisons get full? and what level of mess are we going to get ourselves into before large numbers go on the sick?

    It seems to me also, after considering the bidding position and MoJ history on contracting, that we have toxic companies (some of whom seem to be operating barely legally) up against a toxic MoJ (who don't know how to write or manage contracts) involved in a 'business' (Probation) that is highly complex and un-contractible that is a million miles from the relative simplicity of UPW, tagging and court interpreting contracts.
    I think of myself as being a sensible, rational kind of a person. I have worked in both private and public sectors and can see the benefit of private involvement. But I look at what the government are trying to do, and how they are trying to do it, and just wonder how we got ourselves in this very bizarre situation where we are walking into a bureaucratic nightmare that just isn't going to work. .

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  3. They can change anything they want, when they want. The fact that CRC jobs are being advertised at same pay is part of the deception. No sooner that share sales are sold - you will be lucky to see T&C remain and that includes pay.
    @ANARCHIST PO

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    1. T & C may also change in the NPS as well.

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  4. any of those who were too precious to strike will have plenty of time to reflect when you are losing the equivalent of a days pay every week when your t and c's are destroyed in both organisations

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    1. Hear hear, the non striking staff by definition are now supporting TR and many of them still have their heads in the sand, it's coming your way ladies and gentlemen, be prepared to lose a lot more than a day and halfs pay

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    2. Yaaaahhhh!!! Lets all blame colleagues, you know it makes sense!

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  5. So what is the word on who has dropped out of the bidding. Who are the key players remaining?

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  6. I tell you has a senior manager - once high performance trusts are on the verge of collapse, staff on the front line are utterly disillusioned. All the years of hard work to achieve the very highest of standards are being dismantled. Bidders are coming in weigh over their heads or promoting business models that don't fit. The sifting of staff has also seen lots of square pegs in round holes which have also created obvious staffing gaps and staff skill mis-placements.

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  7. Off topic but interesting observations from the Torygraph again.

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jennymccartney/100266454/the-governments-pointless-meddling-in-serious-issues-is-beyond-embarrassing/

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    1. I’m familiar, as we all are – for our different reasons – with sporadic feelings of straightforward anger at the government. That’s normal in a democracy, I think. But lately something else has been creeping in: a kind of deep, vicarious embarrassment.
      It’s not just that the authorities sometimes have to take harsh and difficult decisions. It’s that they seem to be taking those decisions with such a lack of commonsense, a kind of gratuitous pettiness, that you feel almost ashamed on their behalf. It’s like watching someone who is comfortably off pause and pocket a waiter’s tip on the way out of a restaurant.

      .........'

      It’s the same kind of thinking that seems to apply to the Justice Secretary’s Chris Grayling’s ban on prisoners receiving parcels from home, which has meant they cannot obtain books or magazines sent in from outside. It’s a fair bet that the general public doesn’t have a great deal of natural sympathy with prisoners, unless they have had a demonstrably hard life and are in for something minor. But most British people nonetheless respect the principle of self-betterment and education, and the use of a book as a means to get there.

      The idea that prisoners might be demanding Sky TV is likely to raise public hackles, but not the image of a convict quietly hunched over a John Grisham thriller or opening a home-made birthday card.

      So why the ban? It has little really to do with prison security and incoming contraband, as Grayling attempted – rather late in the discussion – to argue, a line swiftly debunked by prison staff. Once again, the decision just looked nasty and petty.
      The absence of common sense in the haste to be seen to be doing something might well be extending to the Crown Prosecution Service. Many people, myself included, have been vocal in our condemnation of female genital mutilation, and also the shocking fact that not one person in the UK has been convicted of offences related to FGM since it became illegal nearly 30 years ago.

      When I heard that the first UK prosecution was finally under way, I was delighted. But that first prosecution appears to be of a doctor at London’s Whittington Hospital who seemingly used stitches to repair the vagina of a woman – upon whom FGM had already been performed years ago – following childbirth.
      We have yet to hear the full details of the case – and it may indeed have been a professional misjudgement – but already the choice of this as the headline CPS test case on the matter has outraged British gynaecologists and obstetricians, the very people who are most staunchly opposed to FGM, having seen its terrible physical complications at close quarters. They argue that after a woman has given birth obstetricians are under pressure and obliged to stop bleeding by suturing in the most efficient way possible: they should not be singled out as the villains in this tableau (in contrast, the man who mistakenly rang the FGM helpline in the false belief that it offered assistance as to where to have his daughters mutilated, has not been troubled with prosecution).

      The general public is indeed concerned about issues such as high levels of immigration, discipline and drugs in prison, and FGM. It is just that the authorities so often seem to be responding with pointless and blinkered meddling, while widespread, fundamental abuse still flourishes.
      It all feels a bit like paying a student to do your gardening, and returning to find that various healthy shrubs have been scorched with weedkiller, weeds are running riot, and grass seed is spilt all over the patio. You express dismay. “What do you want?” says the student, angrily: “I took action, didn’t I?”.

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  8. I have a theory.

    Imagine, many years ago, a group of young men and women meeting on a daily basis. It could be at a local club or even an exclusive school.

    Now, imagine that these people have grandiose beliefs and feel that they are somehow superior to others. Due to this, their social status and education, they get themselves into position of power within various governments. Within these positions, they are able to manipulate things around them, things such and policies and procurements.

    Imagine them identifying companies who's share prices are very low, and imagine them purchasing a lot of shares in said companies. Imagine said companies suddenly being given various contracts with the Government, these contracts badly written, ambiguous, and open to fraud. Now, imagine if these companies* suddenly made LOTS of money, and their share prices escalated whilst similar companies share prices dropped.

    Now, and a bigger leap of faith, imagine that the foresaid people suddenly sold all their shares, at a very handsome profit, just weeks before 'leaks' showed that these companies were acting dishonestly and their share prices fell dramatically.

    Imagine these people finding other similar companies, and repeating this process** Difficult to argue against the view that this is not occurring right now. Still, it's not my company brand that will be come toxic and synonymous with fraud and malpractice.

    Time to put my tin foil hat on as well all know that Politicians are of the highest moral integrity are would not stoop to such a Machiavellian scheme simply to line their own pockets***

    *Definitely do not mean A4E
    **Definitely do not men Serco/Sodexo
    ***Definitely do not mean Maria Miller

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  9. I also read becoming a civil servant last night and was very angry when I realised my duty is soon to be to the rt. Dishonorable Mr grayling. It.sounds like whistleblowing might blue an offence in the nps. Still, it would appear that nps staff can apply for fast track promotion and look tor jobs elsewhere in the civil service, should there be any left what with this government's austerity measures. Time to jump ship methinks!

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  10. There are four big accountancy firms giving "advice" to government on the privatisation of the Public Sector: KPMG, ,Earnst and Young, Deloit and Capita. In reality they are a shadow government pulling the string on the road to privatisation. They help write the law which then benefits their clients. So in my view we are in a position with consultants from the" Big 4" shaping government policy from within in their own interests. This is crony capitalism at its best and it's undemocratic and corrupt. Government and big business are inseparable, this is not government for the people it is government for our mates.

    Much of the corruption is hidden behind complex contracts and commercial confidentiality, spin and a spineless media. I think we need to keep digging in this area and expose all that we discover. And we have friends that will help in this endeavour so its time to call in a few favours.

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    1. Wasn't the big problem with the Royal Mail sell off that the government were advised by those who bought the lions share of the stock?
      Seems the same could be happening here?

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    2. Papa - a very good point. What about our so called nice leaders the CEO's?

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  11. I am trying to set up an e-petition so that the 'administrative errors' made by Maria Miller can be referred to the Crown Prosecution Service. Strikes me as nepotism that even after the Parliamentary Commissioner for Standards, having investigated and decided she should pay back £46,000 that a bunch of other MP's could reduce this amount to £5,800.

    We will all have done reports on people who have been guilty of administrative errors, in their applications for mortgages, loans, insurance, or in completing Job Seekers Allowance forms, or Housing benefit; or when they have been overpaid by Job Center etc but I have never seen or heard of a Magistrate or Crown Court, reduce the compensation due to the company or dept involved by nearly 75%, just because they can. Not sure if it will pass the terms and conditions test, but if it does, please sign it.

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  12. Heard that NPS now to go through nationality checks for all staff, so passports at the ready....

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    1. That's all detailed in a recent PI which, mysteriously, has yet to be trumpeted from the rooftops by my trust management. Maybe my CEO is an overstayer :)

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  13. http://www.supplymanagement.com/news/2014/government-procurement-practices-squeezing-out-charities

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    1. IMO a charity that is funded by the Government is not a charity.

      Nor I suspect, impartial!

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  14. 15:11 yes Goldman Sachs( American Bank) advised the government re the price the shares should be sold at. They told their clients too who along with Goldman Sachs filled their pockets with cheap shares only to sell them off at a massive profit a short time later. Goldman Sachs helped the Greek government "prepare" its books prior to them joining Europe only to discover post the crash that they had made shocking accounting errors, that benefited them financially of course. This is how high finance works

    There is a club anon 15:11 and we aint in it. But all those who come up in our posts are.

    papa

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  15. The National Council for Voluntary Organisations (NCVO) said “overly-large” contracts; payment by results, which requires “potential providers to hold very high levels of capital reserves”; and “overly bureaucratic procurement practices” were preventing charities running public services.

    The NCVO said the “vast majority” of government income to the sector came in return for providing services and it wants a review of the way contracts are awarded because “charities are often squeezed out by larger companies”.

    The total value of government contracts with charities fell in real terms by almost £900 million to £11.1 billion between 2010/11 and 2011/12, according to the NCVO. Grant cuts over the same period amounted to £400 million, contributing to an almost 9 per cent drop in total income to the sector. Charities’ spending fell by £450 million.

    Sir Stuart Etherington, chief executive of NCVO, said: “Given the government’s deficit reduction priority, it was inevitable that charities would feel the impact of public spending cuts. But these figures show that charities bore more than their fair share of these cuts.

    “The government has set out an ambitious agenda to open up public services, but there is a long way to go before reality matches the ambition. Unfortunately, most charities simply can’t compete with the financial muscle of large outsourcing companies. Our members tell us they are at risk of being squeezed out of public service provision as government contracts grow larger, meaning only big companies can afford to bid.

    “The taxpayer could be getting better value for money in public services. Charities can provide high-quality services tailored to local needs, and do so with a human touch. But the government must take action to ensure charities can compete on fair terms when services are commissioned.”

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    1. "high quality services tailored to local needs" = existing probation providers
      simples ?????

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  16. the agreed protections cant be that bad otherwise why are we hearing that they are playing a major part in putting potential bidders off?? I believe that the people whom remain employed by the CRCs will have their T&Cs protected for at least the medium term and whilst I am not naïve enough to believe that the terms will never be altered, I'm sure that they cannot be altered easily and that alterations must be done via unions collective bargaining. The protections that have been agreed are in effect a TUPE plus package, and I know many ex NHS employees that have been transferred out under such agreements and their terms and conditions protected for the lifetime of the new contracts. I know that the companies who are bidding are nasty, but they aren't stupid and they will need some experienced staff in place (who aren't further pissed off by drastic and sudden wage cuts) to implement things and to train up the external staff that they will clearly recruit on less favourable T&Cs. I believe that the agreed protections are a positive thing at a really crappy time and we must remember that although they don't protect against redundancies they will ensure that we are paid the enhanced rate if we are made redundant within the lifetime of the contract (the MOJ have to pay this up until a certain date that I cannot remember off the top of my head, and then the private companies would have to foot the bill after this). I would also like to point out that the protections are not just for 7 years, they are on-going for as long as we work for the CRC..... If after 7 years another company bids and wins, we will continue to work for the same CRC but the CRC will be run by the new company so we don't transfer anywhere and our T&Cs could still only be changed via union collective bargaining. We cannot compare our situation to what happened to our colleagues that transferred from London Unpaid Work to Serco because they transferred under a standard TUPE package that wasn't subject to national collective bargaining and did not contain any additional protections. If anyone was wondering, I am not a union rep, I am a PSO who has questioned local union reps, union legal people and taken independent employment law advice in order to clarify the protections in my own mind and in order to pass this info on to my worried colleagues. It is still going to be horrible working for a private company and I am totally against this whole thing, but I don't see the point in using this blog to scare people further than is already reality, by making out that our protections can be broken easily and pretty much on day 1, post share sale......P.S- I have checked and double checked this info with UNISON reps, so I would like to think it is pretty accurate......

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    1. "I know that the companies who are bidding are nasty, but they aren't stupid and they will need some experienced staff in place (who aren't further pissed off by drastic and sudden wage cuts) to implement things and to train up the external staff that they will clearly recruit on less favourable T&Cs"

      So says Anon a PSO at 17.39

      What of integrity - to train someone 'on the job' to do work that you are doing on better t &c's?

      I personally was unhappy at PSOs on lower pay scales - without long experience - doing work that was previously normally done by pre -entry trained probation officers - who on entry had a 12 month closely supervised 'confirmation period' .

      I would hate to be instructed to deliver training to a newcomer, with little relevant pre probation entry experience - the whole point of professional training is not just to do the procedures by rote, but to begin to have an understanding of all the complex factors that contribute to deviancy and law breaking and to develop personal skills to enable one to - get along side criminals and respond to any desires they have to cease offending by enabling them to restructure lives so they are less vulnerable to the pressures that stimulate a desire to offend - and simultaneously, to assess them and take whatever steps are legally available to protect the public, including specific potential victims from further offending.

      To be sure - the first probation officers were untrained folk - albeit with appropriate life experience - but those folk came to value a need for pre entry training as it was them that called for it.

      The difficulty now for CRC transferees - be they PO or experienced PSOs is that they will be expected to pass on all their knowledge and experience to others for whom the Government says do not need to be professionally trained. How can that be in the long term best interest of the public?

      If the Probation Institute is to have a worthwhile contribution to protect and enhance professional standards why has it not at its launch come out loudly declaiming this cheapening of the profession by seeking to recruit folk without any national qualification standards being set? - Those standards took so long to establish - Rainer House direct entry training up to about 1978/80 - CQSW from 1974 followed straight on by DIPSW & then after the Howard abomination - from about 1998/9 to date the DipPS- with in later years (I do not know details) enhanced training for those starting without probation qualifications as a PSO

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    2. I suspect you don't know as much as you say with regards to "ex NHS employees". Here's the very latest from the BMJ headed "Standing up against the fragmentation of the English NHS" . . .www.bmj.com/blogs . . search for David Wrigley.



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    3. On a little known website an advert popped up recently that didn’t catch the eye of many people. Those that did see it realised the implications of it when they read the details.

      The website is called Supply2Health and is the location for all outsourced tenders for services in the English NHS. It is a veritable goldmine for the private sector wishing to take over profitable services and get their hands on a piece of the juicy NHS £120bn pie.

      You may remember the debate last year over Section 75 of the Health and Social Care Act. That piece of pernicious legislation in effect means that local commissioners are forced to put services out to tender once the current contract expires. If they don’t offer them to the market then clinical commissioning groups (CCGs) and commissioning support units (CSUs) are open to costly legal action (that they cannot afford) when the private sector says “you can’t just give that to the NHS, we want to bid for it.” So the safe route is taken and services are put up for sale on the Supply2Health website. This is the reason why NHS campaigners are so keen for the NHS to become the “preferred provider” of services to give them first bite at the cherry of any contract.

      Bidding for these contracts are huge undertakings. The complex tender documents to be completed run to hundreds of pages. Local charities and small organisations, and even hard pressed NHS organisations, just do not have the resources to complete such applications. However you can be sure the global health firms with rooms full of lawyers, accountants, and experts are willing, able, and expert at completing such tender documents. This NHS contract playing field is about as level as the Winter Olympics downhill slalom course.

      The advert that caught my eye was one of the biggest NHS contracts on offer in recent times. This contract puts up for sale the design and provision of cancer services in the East Midlands and it is worth a mammoth £687million. That is a contract that would make the City of London firms salivate at the prospect of winning. The opportunities to asset strip, cut corners, and make “efficiency savings” will be huge—and of course any savings made will make more profit for the lucky shareholders of the private healthcare company.

      If this service was run by the NHS proper as a public service, then any surplus funds would be ploughed back into patient care. Surely this is the ethos that the NHS was built upon and has thrived upon in its sixty six year history. Scotland has gone down the route of ruling out any private company running and profiting from their NHS and if we don’t adopt such a system very soon in England it may well be too late to prevent the NHS being run by a huge mixture of corporate entities.

      The role of the BMA here is paramount in highlighting the disastrous changes occurring in the English NHS—nothing short of a major publicity campaign will suffice. We cannot rely on the media, and especially not the BBC who were hopeless at highlighting the privatising Health and Social Care Bill during its long and tortuous passage through parliament in 2010-2012.

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    4. Another interesting fact is that the East Midlands cancer contract is on a 10 year basis. Most NHS contracts on offer in England are for three to five years, but we now see this doubled to 10 years, meaning contracts are in place for much longer and therefore are much harder to reverse.

      Most readers will be astonished to see the sale of NHS services that provide care to cancer patients. We know that multiple unconnected providers in any system leads to poorer care due to fragmentation and lack of communication between providers. This can only mean bad news for patients who want to have continuity of care. It also makes it harder for NHS staff who do not have easy ways of contacting all the different providers.

      It is another example of the fragmentation, privatisation, and ideological destruction of the English NHS. As doctors we must stand up and speak out—it is our moral duty when our patients are affected by ideologically unsound political policy.

      Competing interests: I declare that I have read and understood the BMJ Group policy on declaration of interests and I have no relevant interests to declare.

      David Wrigley is a GP in Lancashire and a member of the BMA GP Committee. He also speaks for the campaigning group Keep Our NHS Public which is an apolitical organisation seeking to bring about a publicly funded, publicly provided, and publicly accountable NHS. He contributed to the recent book “NHS SOS.”

      http://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2014/03/28/david-wrigley-standing-up-against-the-fragmentation-of-the-english-nhs/

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  17. anon 17.39 is correct. There are some anomolies in the process though. T & Cs may be bought out if existing staff agree. Bidders were aware of the protection but thing they are worrying about is the continuation of T & Cs for new staff. This was not expected and forces bidders to make cost savings through less staff rather than cut pay and conditions. Thats a dangerous equation for the public.

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  18. We are on a journey of discovery most on here understand the ideological and bigger political picture. We know what's going on and they know we know what's going on too. And I think they know that we are a stubborn bunch of people ergo the fight is going to be a long one, it will not be over at the share sale. I'm settling in, networking and plotting and the reason I'm doing this is because I know that what they are doing is immoral, risky and wrong; you can't treat people like commodities they will fight back. it's ideological for me too you see.

    The election is coming up so I'm gonna struggle a little harder and make even more noise at every opportunity. Now I know this and I know now that they know this. We need a chorus of disapproval from now until the election and see what Cameron does with it. Perhaps with NHS colleagues we should put up a candidate at Cameron and Grayling's constituencies and fight them on the doorstep.
    papa

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  19. I am not sure about gesture politics of supporting anti Grayling/Cameron candidates.

    I know Joanna Hughes - Napo chair from Gloucestershire or thereabouts who announced she is resigning and planning to stand (not sure where) as an Independent candidate for parliament. I think such serious candidacies will deserve our active support - including money - but I would rather see candidates seek nomination and election in seats where they aim to win rather than merely protest - I would like to see some coordination about this - picking seats with existing small majorities or where there are MPs re-standing who might be beaten.

    There are a number of smaller parties and independents already, though I do not know any real details. I think the right 'banner' is public services delivered by publicly employed workers - I think that there may already be a 'national health party'

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  20. My Point was nothing to do with the morale side of this argument Mr Hatton, and I agree with your points, however my aim was to reassure people that they will have a protected wage for the foreseeable future and that they will be able to pay the bills and support their families in the short to medium term....

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    1. (typo)"moral side of this argument"

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  21. t andc 's protected !naivety at its best

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  22. From The Centre5 April 2014 at 19:06

    Any NAPO members in the Prime Ministers contituency fancy attending one of his surgeries and ask him on camera:
    "Prime Minister, given that the governments own risk register indicates that the current changes to the probation service will place members of the public at risk, are you still fully in support of the CURRENT proposals as outlined by the Justice Minister?"
    Remember, the Justice Minister has a boss and the suggestion is that he is distancing himself from this full in the knowledge that he knows it will fail and as a result the Justice Minister will be removed as a potential threat to his leadership.....and that folks is what this is all about...not so much ideology as politics!!

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  23. Amen, "that's the way to do it"

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  24. Couple of moths ago we ( Probation colleagues including HR staff) doorstepped Jeremy Wright at his Kenilworth constituency he was like a rabbit in the headlights; speechless and fumbling. Had this been on camera it could have been a Youtube hit. I'd be up for something similar.

    papa

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  25. Let's not give grayling too much of a heads up on here then??

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  26. Standing for parliament; attending Prime Ministers surgery, doorstepping ministers, posting on Youtube . . .pure fantasy ! Get real, the deal is almost done and once we all move desks / offices we will do as we always do. . . as we're told. The way to stop TR in the long term is to delay it in the short term. It has to be something really simple and achievable and, at the risk of repeating myself, we can create backlog in the Courts with very little effort as long as we have a national plan negotiated with the Unions.

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    1. I hope this time folk have the determination and commitment to "create backlog in the Courts" an opportunity we did not take up in 1992.

      As for taking up, opportunities to stand for parliamentary seats, that is for individuals and not only connected to what happens NOW with TR implementation in the short term - it worked before in a modest way for Dr Taylor in the Wyre Forest constituency.

      http://www.independentnetwork.org.uk/research/other-sites-promoting-independent-representatives-uk

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