Richard Burgon shadow Justice Secretary has just said labour government will return all Probation to public sector.
Fantastic news.
Katie Lomas He has been saying that for some time! Napo working with his team on the Review being chaired by Lord Ramsbotham...
Yvonne Pattison It's not a straightforward task either but it was myself and Ian that first suggested the round table review to look at what is needed to facilitate this.
Don’t think a lot of members know that.
Yvonne Pattison He has written to a number of key people asking for input, including us, academics, done chiefs/ex chiefs etc. It's in written format so far but there will be face to face meetings further on. I believe Ian has mentioned it more than once in his blogs
Yvonne Pattison He has written to a number of key people asking for input, including us, academics, done chiefs/ex chiefs etc. It's in written format so far but there will be face to face meetings further on. I believe Ian has mentioned it more than once in his blogs
Frontline staff should be fully involved in any review. Many chiefs/EMT have NO idea what it's like on the frontline.
Or about the impact on the risk to the public with some of their decisions.
Yvonne Pattison I do know some members have given their views as they were asked locally...the consultation will widen out further down the line I'm sure.
Yvonne Pattison I do know some members have given their views as they were asked locally...the consultation will widen out further down the line I'm sure.
Maybe if it's only chiefs or EMT that get involved with any review, they would like to come 'back to the floor' in every office for AT LEAST a whole week - before any review meetings - to see what it's really like.
Yvonne Pattison I attended our local consultation on Strengthening Probation. The initial date for input has passed...more information will come out after the first paper which lord Ramsbotham s drafting...
Katie Lomas He did say it at Napo AGM last year and we have been writing about it during this year as the review emerged...
I know he did as I asked him to say it in words of one syllable, but it hasn’t been mentioned on any national tv so really really good to hear it being reaffirmed.
I dont believe it will ever happen. He will say anything to get votes. Who else in his party agrees with him? Too much damage has been done already. It would be such a massive upheaval and CRC have had their fair share. Don't get me wrong...would be great...but what are the chances of that happening.
The shadow chancellor for starters. A long term friend of NAPO, he would hold the purse string that could be relaxed to renationalise and from what I’ve seen of John he’s no free marketeer. It would be one of an entire raft of renationalisations.
That would be a dream come true for all of us.
Supposedly contracts for CRCs are being cut short in 2020 instead of 2 years after! Who knew it wouldn't work out.
The contracts are going back out for tender to secure new terms. It's nowhere near the end of privatization.
David A Raho Richard has said it before. However, the part of Probation that is currently in the public sector is currently grossly underresourced therefore renationalising probation would require a definite relaxation of the purse strings to achieve something near satisfactory This may take at least a few years to accomplish. As others have said previously if Labour does form a government and John McDonnell remains in his present position then he would no doubt be sympathetic and indeed support this ideologically. However, Labours anticipated programme is highly ambitious and big-ticket pledges will no doubt take priority. My view is that you cannot sort probation out properly without sorting prison and the court system and the police out as well. Reforming the entire criminal justice system is a big ask of any government even if it has a large majority and clear plans. I am not aware that Corbyn has clear plans in many key areas and I do not think this is a matter of faith even if I prefer the direction of travel towards renationalisation and public ownership of rail and utilities such as water and power.
David A Raho Richard has said it before. However, the part of Probation that is currently in the public sector is currently grossly underresourced therefore renationalising probation would require a definite relaxation of the purse strings to achieve something near satisfactory This may take at least a few years to accomplish. As others have said previously if Labour does form a government and John McDonnell remains in his present position then he would no doubt be sympathetic and indeed support this ideologically. However, Labours anticipated programme is highly ambitious and big-ticket pledges will no doubt take priority. My view is that you cannot sort probation out properly without sorting prison and the court system and the police out as well. Reforming the entire criminal justice system is a big ask of any government even if it has a large majority and clear plans. I am not aware that Corbyn has clear plans in many key areas and I do not think this is a matter of faith even if I prefer the direction of travel towards renationalisation and public ownership of rail and utilities such as water and power.
Change has to start some where.
David A Raho Can he say where he is planning to start? We know his team is working with Lord Ramsbothams review but is this going to be in the manifesto? Is he going to make a statement at the Labour conference?
Katie Lomas It is the shadow justice team who commissioned Lord Ramsbotham to chair the review for them. They are championing it! The aim is not “nationalisation” but public ownership and local accountability.
David A Raho Glad to hear it but to be fair a commitment to undertaking a review into the privatisation of probation was in Labour’s 2017 manifesto (let's be generous and assume they were thinking about this in 2016 or earlier) - the point being they were not necessarily committed to an outcome of full public ownership - no matter who said what. The review may arrive at that point (I would welcome it) and I do hope that there is more local accountability but there is much to do before reaching that position and a whole parliamentary term of work to do to come up with something that will satisfy most of the main players. Incidentally just looking at Burgon's programme for conference there is no mention of probation - I suspect a lot of probation folk are desperately trying to find a mention from anyone anywhere. So I guess he is kind of low key championing probation publicly whilst we hope he is doing lots of good stuff behind the scenes. I guess we must also hope that this is a cunning strategic approach to ensure broader cross-party appeal that he will surely need to get anywhere with it.…
You seem pessimistic.
David A Raho Skeptical and cautiously realistic. Probation could not have been privatised without radical intervention by a Labour government (opposed by 40 MPs including McDonnell and Corbyn Burgon was in Uni) and it probably can't be put back into public ownership without solid cross-party support. I think this article 'Dissenting Labour MPs force government climbdown on bill' from 2007 is illuminating. I'll continue to follow Dylan's advice and watch the parking meters.
Katie Lomas Richard was quite clear in saying they are considering ‘how’ to bring Probation back into public ownership and not ‘if’ they will...
David A Raho I'm Sceptical about the how. If you examine his voting history Burgon is no fan of PCCs and devolution so he may not favour that option, McDonnell is talking about employee share ownership schemes today (would that be his option?). We know the NPS is bankrupt and probably not in a fit state to reabsorb communities. Public ownership does not necessarily mean private companies will not be involved in delivery like PFI.
Katie Lomas John McDonnell’s speech today made it clear that no new PFI deals would be done. I don’t personally think that moving from the CRC/NPS split to everything in the NPS would be in any way positive. Hence why we shouldn’t talk about “renationalisation” but instead bringing probation back together, in public ownership and with local accountability...
David A Raho Renationalisation and taking formerly public bodies back into public ownership to rejoin colleagues in a public sector organisation or whatever is fine by me (better together etc). I don't think that any government will easily abandon the NPS idea without something pretty robust to replace it seamlessly. A lot fewer people now in positions of real influence in the private probation companies are probation people and those now in charge strongly believe that losing their grip on probation contracts will never happen as easily as Richard Burgon appears to believe unless they want it to. They have their fingers in a lot more contractual pies than just the probation contracts and are getting themselves positioned in order to challenge/resist a weak administration. The government relies on the private companies to deliver a whole raft of services now. Would Labour seriously want to take on the multinationals that run the shadow state aided and abetted by ex-MoJ consultants etc? Very doubtful. If they did they would have to demonstrate a high level of unity and some slick manoeuvres that would require expert statecraft and superhuman politicking not seen on the Labour benches since Attlee last warmed the governments front benches. I am also aware that politicians stock response to a complex problem is to form a review committee to look at the evidence and consider options - all positive and good. Then they set up another committee to look at the preferred option to cost it and rhino test it for feasibility. Labour want to do a lot of things and with a crammed schedule they risk running out of time to put the required legislation on the statute books only to claim that they had a contingency plan and end up implementing the lowest cost option as a stopgap that never gets filled.
I don’t favour the local accountability model at all. I think probation has been used as a political football in the past and putting it under the PCCs which seems to be the preferred decision will make that even more likely. Also move into the NPS was a dawning realisation of how in a single service there could be so much variance in practice and policy, staff pay and benefits etc. I do t think the NPS is at all perfect but I favour a national service with some local flexibility to work in partnership with local charities and providers to the old trust system.
David A Raho Depends who is in power Jamie as to what the model will look like. At the moment the Tories are calling the shots but concerned about mounting pressure from the backlash against Grayling who is finally becoming the whipping boy for neoliberal excess. I have a preferred option and a realistic option given that some CRC owners have been consolidating their position and may well act collectively to put pressure on whatever the government to ensure a continuation of their income streams. Not all owners of CRCs are the same or equal and the MoJ bar is not that high. My preferred option is a devolved model with a funding link with local authorities eg providing offices and facilities and learning from Youth Justice. I would create local adult justice boards and involve a host of agencies with probation taking the lead. Some smaller central body like the YJB would be helpful. The CRCs would like bigger areas longer contracts and more money that is not linked closely to performance.The more realistic option I fear long term will be a further break up of probation with bits of both NPS and CRC hived off and run as separate operations or absorbed by other departments such as HMCTS HMPS CP a separate standalone thing and communities becoming private-public sector joint operations. Between times CRCs are likely to get bigger contracts. If these were 7 years then they would make commercial sense as they need to sign leases on office space etc. Ian Lawrence has just blogged about Napos opposition to this.
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Edited version of Ian's latest blog here:-
Bidders Beware!
David A Raho Depends who is in power Jamie as to what the model will look like. At the moment the Tories are calling the shots but concerned about mounting pressure from the backlash against Grayling who is finally becoming the whipping boy for neoliberal excess. I have a preferred option and a realistic option given that some CRC owners have been consolidating their position and may well act collectively to put pressure on whatever the government to ensure a continuation of their income streams. Not all owners of CRCs are the same or equal and the MoJ bar is not that high. My preferred option is a devolved model with a funding link with local authorities eg providing offices and facilities and learning from Youth Justice. I would create local adult justice boards and involve a host of agencies with probation taking the lead. Some smaller central body like the YJB would be helpful. The CRCs would like bigger areas longer contracts and more money that is not linked closely to performance.The more realistic option I fear long term will be a further break up of probation with bits of both NPS and CRC hived off and run as separate operations or absorbed by other departments such as HMCTS HMPS CP a separate standalone thing and communities becoming private-public sector joint operations. Between times CRCs are likely to get bigger contracts. If these were 7 years then they would make commercial sense as they need to sign leases on office space etc. Ian Lawrence has just blogged about Napos opposition to this.
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Edited version of Ian's latest blog here:-
Bidders Beware!
Our wholesale opposition to the calamitous decision by David Gauke to retender the shortened CRC contracts, and offer new ones within a reconfigured 10 region structure was again reinforced in our submission to the ‘Strengthen Probation Building Confidence’ consultation last week.
Anyone who believes that this consultation is meaningful, as in the Government actually changing their mind as a result, cannot have been following the script. Those harbouring such hopes would have seen that for themselves if they had been able to attend the latest attempt by the MoJ to smooth the path for would be contractors.
I have always worked on the basis that consultation of this nature is about learning from the mistakes of the past and ensuring that all steps will be taken in the future not to repeat them. Unfortunately, there is little sign that this will happen and just as was the case in the initial engagement events that many of our members have attended, the intended direction of travel from last week’s gathering in London - akin to a "wild west medicine" selling show without the waggons and horses - was very clear.
It goes something like this. The last Secretary of State for Justice destroys an award winning Probation service and opens the floodgates to a social engineering disaster, despite over 90% of those responding to another so-called consultation telling him that he really ought not to have gone there. Said Minister later departs the post-Transforming Rehabilitation dystopia that he and a number of spineless senior NOMS leaders were responsible for creating, and is rewarded with another high profile political post as Secretary of State for Transport.
As for TR four years on, nearly every report from HMI Probation describes it as a failure save for a few pockets of good practice. Findings which are then endorsed by what for me is one of the most damning Parliamentary inquiry reports I have ever seen from the Justice Select Committee which also says it’s a failure. Incidentally, news just reaches me that another hugely critical report is due from HMI Probation tomorrow and it will make for some seriously unhappy reading yet again for the private providers who are yes, collectively failing yet again on their contractual responsibilities.
A different universe
Anyone watching Chris Grayling in his TV interviews last week (it is very difficult I know) on the plans to launch a major review into our railway system will have found the language to be depressingly familiar to the mantra that preceded TR, e.g. "public/private partnerships can work, innovation and flexibility is all that is required, freedoms to make decisions, trade unions to blame", etc.
What I find especially disconcerting is that in the face of what is by any standards about the most catastrophic privatisation I have ever seen of its kind, and granted we have seen plenty more examples, the only response that I can see from Government is to simply repeat the processes that led to where Probation is now.
For Government, it’s as if TR never happened; that the systemic failure of CRC providers to heed the signals from our members that we put out before TR such as be careful what you wish for as well as bid for, never happened either. Documented evidence from Napo and scores of other organisations that spelt out the risks and likely results are just something to be ignored, as millions of pounds of taxpayers' money is ploughed into TR Mark 2 and the creation of another highly dubious re tendering exercise where the likely results are already writ large. Against that background, anyone seriously contemplating bidding for the intended next round of contracts ought to think again. It’s as corrupt a process as it was four years ago and we will not baulk from saying so.
SFOs - let me be clear, we will protect our members
According to one of my media sources we are seeing more Serious Further Offences being committed in England and Wales. These incidents are highly emotive and require timely and accurate investigation to determine what lessons can be learned and whether certain things might have been done differently by an individual or by the various agencies involved. Victims' families also demand (and are entitled) to answers.
SFOs occurred prior to TR, they happen now and they will in the future. Inevitably, they become highly political because Ministers and Governments are responsible for presiding over a justice system that is supposed to minimise the risks to public safety.
In such a climate, politicians may seek to blame individuals and not their own failures for the ensuing human tragedies that occur in a probation service which is less safe than it was, where staff are under intense pressure. A service that has become hugely fragmented since it was irresponsibly thrown open to the market.
Now we see it start to unravel. Napo, heavily involved in representing several members since our last AGM whose practice has been called into question despite having undergone the initial SFO review, only to hear later down the line that another investigation has arisen because of a pending inquest or by way of a Ministerial intervention.
Members occasionally ask me whether I intend to publicise our position in relation to individual members who are in proceedings following an SFO and the answer is an unhesitant no. Our first duty is to represent the interests of the members involved and given the propensity for these cases to gravitate to inquests or the attention of Ministers, we need to say nothing that could complicate matters.
I think members will agree that this is a sensible approach, but I can certainly promise this: that Napo will not stand by and see our members made scapegoats for systemic failure by their employer or for situations that would never have happened if those responsible for making previous decisions, or for providing the necessary resources, support and protections for staff, are the ones who really ought to be answering some very uncomfortable questions. Even more reason for having a trade union at your side come the day when you might need us.
Anyone who believes that this consultation is meaningful, as in the Government actually changing their mind as a result, cannot have been following the script. Those harbouring such hopes would have seen that for themselves if they had been able to attend the latest attempt by the MoJ to smooth the path for would be contractors.
I have always worked on the basis that consultation of this nature is about learning from the mistakes of the past and ensuring that all steps will be taken in the future not to repeat them. Unfortunately, there is little sign that this will happen and just as was the case in the initial engagement events that many of our members have attended, the intended direction of travel from last week’s gathering in London - akin to a "wild west medicine" selling show without the waggons and horses - was very clear.
It goes something like this. The last Secretary of State for Justice destroys an award winning Probation service and opens the floodgates to a social engineering disaster, despite over 90% of those responding to another so-called consultation telling him that he really ought not to have gone there. Said Minister later departs the post-Transforming Rehabilitation dystopia that he and a number of spineless senior NOMS leaders were responsible for creating, and is rewarded with another high profile political post as Secretary of State for Transport.
As for TR four years on, nearly every report from HMI Probation describes it as a failure save for a few pockets of good practice. Findings which are then endorsed by what for me is one of the most damning Parliamentary inquiry reports I have ever seen from the Justice Select Committee which also says it’s a failure. Incidentally, news just reaches me that another hugely critical report is due from HMI Probation tomorrow and it will make for some seriously unhappy reading yet again for the private providers who are yes, collectively failing yet again on their contractual responsibilities.
A different universe
Anyone watching Chris Grayling in his TV interviews last week (it is very difficult I know) on the plans to launch a major review into our railway system will have found the language to be depressingly familiar to the mantra that preceded TR, e.g. "public/private partnerships can work, innovation and flexibility is all that is required, freedoms to make decisions, trade unions to blame", etc.
What I find especially disconcerting is that in the face of what is by any standards about the most catastrophic privatisation I have ever seen of its kind, and granted we have seen plenty more examples, the only response that I can see from Government is to simply repeat the processes that led to where Probation is now.
For Government, it’s as if TR never happened; that the systemic failure of CRC providers to heed the signals from our members that we put out before TR such as be careful what you wish for as well as bid for, never happened either. Documented evidence from Napo and scores of other organisations that spelt out the risks and likely results are just something to be ignored, as millions of pounds of taxpayers' money is ploughed into TR Mark 2 and the creation of another highly dubious re tendering exercise where the likely results are already writ large. Against that background, anyone seriously contemplating bidding for the intended next round of contracts ought to think again. It’s as corrupt a process as it was four years ago and we will not baulk from saying so.
SFOs - let me be clear, we will protect our members
According to one of my media sources we are seeing more Serious Further Offences being committed in England and Wales. These incidents are highly emotive and require timely and accurate investigation to determine what lessons can be learned and whether certain things might have been done differently by an individual or by the various agencies involved. Victims' families also demand (and are entitled) to answers.
SFOs occurred prior to TR, they happen now and they will in the future. Inevitably, they become highly political because Ministers and Governments are responsible for presiding over a justice system that is supposed to minimise the risks to public safety.
In such a climate, politicians may seek to blame individuals and not their own failures for the ensuing human tragedies that occur in a probation service which is less safe than it was, where staff are under intense pressure. A service that has become hugely fragmented since it was irresponsibly thrown open to the market.
Now we see it start to unravel. Napo, heavily involved in representing several members since our last AGM whose practice has been called into question despite having undergone the initial SFO review, only to hear later down the line that another investigation has arisen because of a pending inquest or by way of a Ministerial intervention.
Members occasionally ask me whether I intend to publicise our position in relation to individual members who are in proceedings following an SFO and the answer is an unhesitant no. Our first duty is to represent the interests of the members involved and given the propensity for these cases to gravitate to inquests or the attention of Ministers, we need to say nothing that could complicate matters.
I think members will agree that this is a sensible approach, but I can certainly promise this: that Napo will not stand by and see our members made scapegoats for systemic failure by their employer or for situations that would never have happened if those responsible for making previous decisions, or for providing the necessary resources, support and protections for staff, are the ones who really ought to be answering some very uncomfortable questions. Even more reason for having a trade union at your side come the day when you might need us.
Ian Lawrence
Not sure I understand IL's comments about SFOs. Seems garbled. My own experience of SFO investigation was to have Napo rep tell me to "hold your hands up & hope for the best." I stood my ground, truth prevailed & allegations of malpractice disappeared. If I had followed trade union advice the truth would have been buried, I'd have been held solely responsible & lost my job while lying & collusive managers would have escaped scrutiny.
ReplyDeleteAnd further insulting contempt for Probation this week with the announcement of pay awards in HMPPS not including NPS staff!! I’m getting to the point where I can’t be bothered to do the work anymore
ReplyDeleteThe amount of people sitting in doorways homeless that have recently been released from a short custodial is absolutely staggering.
ReplyDeleteMany of them belong to the 40,000 under 12months that became subject to probation as a consequence of TR.
They deserve help and support too Grayling said. In reality they were just shelf fillers, an increase of stock to make the potential profit margins for privateers appear more attractive.
It's shameful. Anyone responsible for a pet who left them cold hungry and uncared for would face prosecution. Why are the MoJ allowed to get away with it for those people its charged with being responsible for?
It's been happening for 4years now. Consultations and debate about the future of probation dosen't help them.
Shouldnt the MoJ have an obligation, not only to focus on the future of service delivery, but to also start to clean up the mess they've made at the same time?
I note they've given a few quid to the third sector. But I'm not sure it's for the best things.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/cash-boost-for-charitable-prison-and-probation-projects
'Getafix
Sadly its just a parlour game for the wealthy in positions of power. You, me, Jim & a small hatful are vocal critics, but it won't stop them. HMIProbation are in the game too. If they wanted to they could effect change immediately, but their equivocal reports stop short of calling the govt to account. The PI, the 3rdSector, Napo, Unison, CRC owners, NPS - all have a hand in the game.
DeleteThe deaths of convicted criminals, the devastation for their families, the loss of jobs, children & homes, damaged mental health - these are all merely collateral damage, the 'inevitable fallout' from the Big Picture.
I can't & won't stop calling it out, but it takes its toll. The injustice, the incompetence, the cruelty, the greed - its as plain as day in report after report after report, but nothing changes.
Re-read Jim's blogs going back to 2012, 2013, 2014. The flaws are highlighted, the future is predicted. Napo remains an inert gas. The Tories have just gotten bolder & more vicious.
Chiefs Yvonne? When did Chiefs come back?
DeleteNever left. Too many chiefs and not enough Indians.
DeleteToo many chiefs that's never been an indian.
That's part of the problem.
'No easy answers' applies to everything everywhere in the current world climate of greed is good, women are shit, Right is might, etc.
ReplyDeleteUK, USA, Turkey, Israel, Saudi.... liars, bullies, people full of hate for anyone & anything that is 'different', terrified someone else might have something, determined they will have everything to themselves - with impunity.
Just take the vile sideshow in USA yesterday of a bunch of unimaginably wealthy, powerful white men staring down a woman who accuses one of their kind of sexual assault, & the performance of a lifetime by the accused - hmmm, somewhat reminiscent of the many frustrating, tedious interviews with sex offenders and DV perpetrators who refuse to accept responsibility for anything.
Its been said here before & bears repeating, the MoJ/HMPPS treatment of Probation is analagous to an abusive relationship:
* financial deprivation whilst others are given treats - overall budgets & pay vs. PRP bonuses, HMP pay, etc
* persistent uncertainty - change is the only constant
* minimising the role - depleting PO roles & tasks, increasing unqualified posts
* removal of choice - TR, CRC/NPS split, E3, Visor
* denial of responsibility by perpetrator
Interesting to see arguably the most influential and informed probation people in Napo at the moment having an honest conversation (in stark contrast to ILs sweeping statements and bluster) reminding us that their are some keen minds wrestling with the Probation problem and making it clear there really are no quick fixes or easy answers and that actually there are powerful interests involved that cannot be relied upon or ignored. All except IL are aware of how things work in the corridors of power where actually politicians are far more pally than they are when in public view. Maybe Napo should be wooing the Magistrates Prison Governors and centre ground rather than ILs strategy? lunching with the POA and preaching to the converted. However to do middle ground political work you need to truly understand issues and be able to engage in complex analytical discussions and negotiations.
ReplyDeleteA good comment but none of those in this conversation could be regarded as anywhere near competent let alone capable.
DeleteTrouble is, no one took up Harry Fletcher's mantle when he left or continued to cultivate useful contacts amongst politicians and those of influence. Time was when the press would seek a comment from Harry when something about probation hit the news. I don't see anyone rushing to hear NAPO's view any more.John McDonnell has been mentioned as someone who was regularly at Conference. NAPO should have (for starters) clocked that man's ascendancy within the Labour party and cultivated a continuing relationship.
Delete10:02 No evidence to support your comment. So clearly just trolling.
Delete13:25 John McDonnell and Jeremy Corbyn both attended London Branch meetings and prior to this much of their interest and knowledge about probation was fed to them directly from the branch.
Harry cultivated his media presence and members funded this at a much higher level than is currently the case.
Who 10:02?
DeleteI see 09:52 & 10:04
Thank you.
There are no easy answers.
ReplyDeleteBut any answers are dependent on the questions being asked.
I think that's an internal problem for probation itself just as much as it is in a broader context and where probation should sit within the CJS.
Too many changes too quick has seen has seen a fragmentation of ideal and purpose for those who work within the service itself. People working side by side have differing perceptions of what the purpose of the job is and what it should be.
I make no comment on what way is right for the service to be steered in, but simply suggest that whatever way it goes (just like Brexit) its going to divide opinion internally.
I think thats a bit of a cunundrum for the service.
Theres an interesting article published in Inside Time today based on a study of supervision and differing models in operation.
The whole study might make a great read, but heres the bit in Inside Time.
https://insidetime.org/supervision-works/
'Getafix
Well spotted 'Getafix!
Deletehttp://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0264550518796275
DeleteFor me there are 3 camps, those that want to focus on the professional side of probation, the offender experience and social justice. The danger there is that you get caught up in the corporate and business and loose site of employment rights and good industrial relations. Then you get the Trade Unionist seeking to protect and advance workers rights globally and locally taking the hard line as Trade Unionists should and the third camp which Napo fits into tries to focus on professional issues and their own image and in so doing fail spectacularly to protect workers rights and members and because they think a handful of officers and officials are well equipped to consult and negotiate on just about everything and anything probation orientated they completely fail not just the their members but the professional issues also because they fail to consult their members and are too arrogant to admit they don't have the required skills or knowledge to negotiate their way out of a paper bag.
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Deletehttps://m.medicalxpress.com/news/2018-09-crime-nourishment-link-food-behaviour.html
ReplyDeleteNAPO are circulating about an offer of a two year pay deal
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