Continuing with our morality theme, regular contributor 'Getafix has unearthed yet another interesting contribution to the discussion here:-
Justice is an interpretive process, from the investigation of alleged crimes through to trial, acquittal or conviction, punishments for past actions, deterrents and identification and prevention of potential future threats and possible rehabilitative interventions.
This represents a considerable number of interpretive acts involving a significant number of agencies and professional groupings. The criminal justice system is procedurally bureaucratic and criticised by just about everyone involved: it fails victims, the accused (including those on remand), criminals (whether on probation, in prison, on parole) and communities. It seems that no one is satisfied with the processes or outcomes of justice. Add to this the realities of institutional racism, sexism, homophobia and transgender bias, then there would appear to be a significant problem.
In terms of punishment, there is no disagreement on the facts of record imprisonment rates and their consequences including the exacerbation of existing problems – overcrowding, terrible prison conditions, addiction, mental health problems, self-harm and suicide. Once understood, this should be genuinely terrifying, but despite this knowledge, nothing changes.
The ‘tough on crime’ consensus between both the left and the right of politics is based on individualism and market economics, where – despite the rhetoric of rehabilitation – punishment and incapacitation are the sole purposes of prisons. They have become places of deliberate torture and suffering, with institutions such as the National Probation Service providing a constant conveyor belt of supply by returning people to prison often for technical breaches of orders rather than for having committed more crimes.
Build more prisons, recruit more staff, so that more people can be punished more efficiently and effectively, conflate treatment and rehabilitation with punishment to keep people employed and economies stimulated. Tough deterrent sentencing ensures that more people are imprisoned, and quite simply people are set up to fail. This circular, self-justifying rationale fails to deliver justice or healing, to victims, criminals or communities. While private companies may welcome the profits, morally the approach is bankrupt.
In Redemptive Criminology we argue that the places of justice are the places of injustice, with utilitarian justifications for punishment being stupid, banal and dangerous. People who have committed crimes become the necessary scapegoats around which we can all cohere by agreeing on their guilt and using the innocence of victims to justify harsher punishments. It seems that, in an age of global anxiety, the necessity of punishment is the only certainty that we can agree on.
Winston Churchill famously said in 1910:
“The mood and temper of the public in regard to the treatment of crime and criminals is one of the most unfailing tests of the civilisation of any country. A calm and dispassionate recognition of the rights of the accused against the state and even of convicted criminals against the state, a constant heart-searching by all charged with the duty of punishment, a desire and eagerness to rehabilitate in the world of industry of all those who have paid their dues in the hard coinage of punishment, tireless efforts towards the discovery of curative and regenerating processes and an unfaltering faith that there is a treasure, if only you can find it in the heart of every person – these are the symbols which in the treatment of crime and criminals mark and measure the stored up strength of a nation, and are the sign and proof of the living virtue in it.” (Hansard, 20th July 1910).
We fail every single criterion that Churchill articulates. He was not a man renowned for compassion, his politics are not our politics, but that difference is important because despite political differences we should agree that a common humanity, an understanding of virtue, and the rights of every person are at the heart of both the meaning and the practices of criminal justice espoused in our politics. A civilised justice system expects and demands that punishments are limited by inalienable human rights. This is opposed to the open-ended approach of actuarial risk and public protection measures, and deterrent sentencing.
Institutional justice implies shared values and institutional memory and a need for the organisations involved to be learning organisations. At the heart of this process is a conformity–creativity paradox. One of the interesting things to come out of the assault on institutional justice from the populist insurrections of both Trump and Johnson is that to maintain systems of justice that have integrity, we need people who are committed to human rights and due process, are able to resist and push back.
Once we are aware, then we need to act. The authentic practitioner is a non-violent practitioner, someone who is trying to bring peace to situations of conflict, and thus transforming society from the ‘bottom up’. This firstly involves understanding the self in the light of others within the systemic context (conflict) and exploring the boundaries of professional practice in day-to-day interactions and decision making. In challenging violence and discrimination within the CJS, practitioners must develop a hermeneutical narrative to understand their own complicity in violence and discrimination.
Hermeneutical narrative is the process of understanding our own story of how we have arrived where we are and how we take our lived experience into professional practice. Conformity requires replication, creativity, originality. Any of these can be problematically rooted in our own potential for violence. Only authentic practitioners working through their own thoughts, feelings and actions in collaboration with others can disentangle the inherent violence of institutional processes to enable working with self-organising capacities and allow new things to emerge rather than repeating the same.
Andrea Albutt, President of the Prison Governors’ Association, has identified the ongoing commitment to increasing prison places as lunacy, and Jo Farrell, the new Chief Constable of Police Scotland has acknowledged that the force is institutionally racist. Other leaders must follow these examples of honesty by providing resources for their staff to reflect on their own practice individually and collectively to promote change in their organisations. This is most powerfully effective at team level.
Practitioners must engage with the contested concept of forgiveness. In Redemptive Criminology we develop a rereading of the Judaeo-Christian understanding of forgiveness to argue that this provides us with a dynamic energy in the systemic space between victims, criminals and communities. Forgiveness is the space of possibility that is given up front rather than the end-point reward for jumping through hoops (aka atonement). With the latter, the end point is never reached, another aspect of the moral bankruptcy of the system – people are locked in with no way out. Failure is profitable.
By being authentically human we recognise the authentically human in others, meaning that we see them as human beings first (human rights are grounded in that common humanity) before the requirements of justice or the job that we are required to do. Irrespective of the crimes committed, this embracing of the other’s humanity ensures their rights are recognised, welcomed and ensured. It acknowledges and does not forget harms caused to others, but ultimately recognises the possibility of some degree of healing so that those harms are not replicated.
Authentic practice then is that space between conformity and creativity which invites all those involved to recognise their own complicity in violence and to do things differently, trying to ensure that cycles of violence – whether personal, institutional or both – are broken, and providing a way forward for all those involved.
Aaron Pycroft PhD Associate Professor of Criminal Justice and Social Complexity, University of Portsmouth, UK. Clemens Bartollas PhD Emeritus Professor of Criminology, University of Northern Iowa, USA.
Practitioners must engage with the contested concept of forgiveness. In Redemptive Criminology we develop a rereading of the Judaeo-Christian understanding of forgiveness to argue that this provides us with a dynamic energy in the systemic space between victims, criminals and communities. Forgiveness is the space of possibility that is given up front rather than the end-point reward for jumping through hoops (aka atonement). With the latter, the end point is never reached, another aspect of the moral bankruptcy of the system – people are locked in with no way out. Failure is profitable.
By being authentically human we recognise the authentically human in others, meaning that we see them as human beings first (human rights are grounded in that common humanity) before the requirements of justice or the job that we are required to do. Irrespective of the crimes committed, this embracing of the other’s humanity ensures their rights are recognised, welcomed and ensured. It acknowledges and does not forget harms caused to others, but ultimately recognises the possibility of some degree of healing so that those harms are not replicated.
Authentic practice then is that space between conformity and creativity which invites all those involved to recognise their own complicity in violence and to do things differently, trying to ensure that cycles of violence – whether personal, institutional or both – are broken, and providing a way forward for all those involved.
Aaron Pycroft PhD Associate Professor of Criminal Justice and Social Complexity, University of Portsmouth, UK. Clemens Bartollas PhD Emeritus Professor of Criminology, University of Northern Iowa, USA.
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This starts this morning 9.00am BBC Radio 4
BBC Reith Lectures 2025 – Moral Revolution
Bregman's 2025 Reith Lectures will reflect on moments in history, including the likes of the suffragette and abolitionist movements, which have sparked transformative moral revolutions, offering hope for a new wave of progressive change. Across four lectures, he will also consider the explosive technological progress of recent years - placing us at a moment of immense risk and possibility, and will look ahead to how we might shape the future.
Bregman's 2025 Reith Lectures will reflect on moments in history, including the likes of the suffragette and abolitionist movements, which have sparked transformative moral revolutions, offering hope for a new wave of progressive change. Across four lectures, he will also consider the explosive technological progress of recent years - placing us at a moment of immense risk and possibility, and will look ahead to how we might shape the future.
"It seems that, in an age of global anxiety..." We are living in an age of hysteria, we went past anxiety long ago. Forgiveness is no longer even a concept within the CJS and indeed most counsellors. Victimology destroyed all that. The new prison places will be built and then they'll build some more. Nothing will change.
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You might have to break your promise on not posting trumpian comments, JB. This was posted on social media by Rutger Bregman this morning, as the lecture was being broadcast:
ReplyDelete"Today I have to share something I wish wasn’t true:
The BBC has decided to censor the opening lecture of a series they invited me to deliver.
They removed the sentence in which I describe Donald Trump as “the most openly corrupt president in American history.”
This line was taken out of a lecture they commissioned, reviewed through the full editorial process, and recorded four weeks ago in front of 500 people in the BBC Radio Theatre.
I was told the decision came from the highest levels within the BBC.
This has happened against my wishes, and I’m deeply troubled by it. Not because people can’t disagree with my words, but because self-censorship driven by fear (Trump is threatening to sue the BBC) should concern all of us.
This isn’t about left or right. It’s about the health of our democratic institutions. For decades the Reith Lectures have been one of the BBC’s most important platforms for open debate and free expression. That’s why this really matters.
In this video, I explain what happened, why it’s important, and why we should remain calm but clear-eyed about the pressures facing our public institutions.
I share this with respect for the many excellent journalists at the BBC. And with the hope that transparency helps strengthen, not weaken, our democratic culture."
https://downloads.bbc.co.uk/radio4/reith2025/Reith_1_R4_2025_Transcript.pdf
DeleteI'm sorry Jim if this comment attracts a lot of angry responses.
ReplyDeleteIt seems to me that most of the recent comments on here are more concerned about pay awards, and have little to do with concerns about the the people on probation or their wellbeing.
I understand that everyone wants a pay rise, especially when their asked to take on more and more work. But, given that every inspection report for years has proclaimed every PDU in the country as inadequate, failing in its duty to protect large groups of public, SFO,s higher then ever, 3000 recalls a month, inexperienced staff, not enough staff etc, etc. Why would anyone think they should deserve a pay rise for working in that environment?
More importantly, why should the tax payers be expected to fund such a dysfunctional failing public service?
Probation should not be just about a consideration of what the take home pay is. It should be about it's contribution to society.
If it makes a significant contribution, then those making that contribution deserve significant reward. If its just about processing and it's failing, then you can expect very little.
“An important component of living an offence-free life appears to be
viewing oneself as a different person with the capabilities and
opportunities to achieve personally endorsed goals, yet this “whole
person” perspective is downplayed in the risk framework.”
https://www.criminaljusticealliance.org/wp-content/uploads/Personalisation_in_the_CJS-1.pdf
'Getafix
I imagine many will say the job they do is the job they're told to do, not the job they wanted to do.
DeleteThe free degree means many newer joiners are already two or three years' salary plus no fees (maybe £50k?) ahead of their contemporaries who went to university; but on graduation their contemporaries might have joined a think tank or an accountancy firm or a bank & be on £80k+ now. That doesn't mean POs should be on a similar salary. A Newly Qualified Social Worker job is advertised at £34,434-£35,412 and a Senior Social Worker job at £42,839 - £44,075 per annum. That's the (albeit pitiful) value our society places on those who work to ameliorate the damage caused by structural societal abuse.
Probation pay issues have been increasingly front & centre since sometime around 2010/11 when the historical automatic grade progression & annual increases were sacrificed for a variety of cobbled-together "reviews" & "improvements", not least being the surrender of Ts&Cs for a multi-year deal (that was effectively worthless in the big scheme of things). Not a lot has happened in terms of pay for a decade, save for a few pennies tossed on the floor recently. The job is now slavish, tied to a keyboard & linked to AI & algorithms. If you can write the software, develop & maintain the IT - £££Bingo! If you're the enduser, you get peanuts.
I’m normally a great admirer of ‘Getafix,’ and look forward to their reasoned contributions to this blog however, on this occasion, I respectfully believe that you are totally wrong in your assertion.
ReplyDeleteLet those at the top responsible for the fact that probation is failing take moral and financial responsibility, not those who are doing their best in exceptionally trying circumstances.
Do you really think that ‘the leaders,’ will go without despite the condemnations of inspectors and audits.
Rank and file staff have protested and argued about the changes which have destroyed the organisation for many years, and as has been evidenced on this blog on numerous occasions, the response to date has been JFDI.
I do think we could be at a stage where, if the powers that be are not prepared to invest in the people who are the backbone of the probation system then they should wrap it up altogether, rather than starving the incumbents out.
I actually don't disagree with your comment in any way annon@ 16:33.
DeleteIts totally pushed down from the top, and those at the coalface suffer, regardless of their own personal ethos for joining.
But probation work is becoming almost a better paid job then call centre work with a paid for recognised qualification. Its not just a job. In today's technology it's an influencer, and if you don't make the hits, you go under.
I really want probation to be a well regarded public service, an important one.
But currently it's living a lie. It could be an important contributor to the CJS, it should be an important contributor, but in today's world it's just become a patsy for the rest of the CJS to point the finger at.
'Getafix
I don't think there is anything unrealistic about gtx focus on the offender service user . Money is a factor if your job is shit then the better pay makes it a little easier to bear. The post at 1633 might have also considered the complacency of the unions Napo. In particular there are no real campaigns no genuine dispute no Napo leadership to resist work or not do aspects to ensure we get a hearing and respite. Napo tacitly agree everything so the employers do what they can get away with. If ever there was such a time as this there has been no union residence no voice no professional directions to its members. It really just illustrates getting basic pay talks right and on time is a morale staffing issue and Lawrence has failed yet again to even update staff let alone generate real substance. It should illustrate the very least the incompetence of the leader. The crass insincerity in all the blister and the constant let downs we all endure . Napo need to be reformed in my view because all these working models that fail in the results are originally endorsed by Napo because they never critique properly object to any measure or direct any actions to members to protect ourselves . When Lawrence is gone we might have some hope whoever replaces him gives us a voice not a squeak can speak intelligently not the thuggish crap we hear about action standing square ready to call out blah. Has some optimism change is possible not the stayed same old pretence of strategy from Lawrence. This has been running for years where is the trap then. No Lawrence agrees by not responding silence compliance as they say. If we want change we need a new stick the current is buckled and has never been a straight sweep for us.
ReplyDeletebbc news: "Justice Secretary David Lammy is proposing to massively restrict the ancient right to a jury trial by only guaranteeing it for defendants facing rape, murder, manslaughter or other cases passing a public interest test.
ReplyDeleteAn internal government briefing, produced by the Ministry of Justice (MoJ) for all other Whitehall departments, confirms plans to create a new tier of jury-less courts in England and Wales.
The new courts would deal with most crimes currently considered by juries in Crown Court."
AI courts, AI sentencing, AI punishments, AI reports, AI monitoring tags
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Yes what's your point. The tech is there to dispose of staff.
Delete@getafix - everything you say, the SFO's, recalls etc is borne from the way Prisons are run and the way HMPPS have instructed Probation to behave towards there, our, clients. Most PO's i work with want to do more for the individual but we have been hamstrung. Yes, we do 'deserve' a big pay rise, it's a fricken hard, stressful job, let's take the money back from the Prison Officers who, using your logic are really only paid to close and open doors and to make sure people leave Prison in a worse state then they arrived. There's a lot wrong with Probation, but 99% of it is due to the Government and HMPPS, why would you advocate harming the frontline staff who mostly try to do there best, the NHS are failing on most metrics, do you want that disbanded and Dr's and Nurses pay reduced?
ReplyDeletehttps://prisonandprobationjobs.gov.uk/current-vacancies/
DeleteA random selection of available jobs at 26/11/25, with their advertised salary ranges:
202510:Prison Officer - HMP Cardiff
Salary: £30,001 to £40,000
11695 - Operational Support Grade - HMP Isle of Wight (Prison Support Role)
Salary: £20,001 to £30,000
202508: Youth Justice Worker - HMYOI Wetherby
Salary: £30,001 to £40,000
12103 - HMP Chelmsford - Business Administrator Specialist - Senior Case Administrator
Salary: £30,001 to £40,000
11728 - Prison Catering: Caterer/Kitchen Supervisor (Hospitality/Catering) - HMP Grendon and Springhill
Salary: £30,001 to £40,000
8661 - Registered Psychologist- HMP Grendon Therapeutic Communities
Salary: £50,001 to £60,000
12085 - Case Administrator - Boston Probation Office
Salary: £20,001 to £30,000
11902 - Probation Services Officer - Wirral
Salary: £20,001 to £30,000, £30,001 to £40,000
12276 - Community Payback Placement Co-ordinator - Prescot
Salary: £20,001 to £30,000, £30,001 to £40,000
* THERE ARE NO ADs FOR TRAINEE POs
* THERE ARE NO ADs FOR QUALIFIED POS
Computer says: "A UK probation officer's salary
starts at £26,475 during the 15–27 month trainee program and increases to £35,130 plus allowances upon qualification. Experienced probation officers can earn between £35,130 and £42,000"
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/lords/1982/dec/13/probation-officers-pay
DeleteBaroness Macleod of Borve - "We are discussing the salaries of one of the most important associations of officers in our society today. I say that with confidence after 25 years of experience—25 years mostly as chairman of a magistrates' court followed by four years on the Parole Board. In the magistrates' court—the lowest level of the judiciary—we dealt with a great number of people and it was our privilege to realise that if we put someone on probation he would be dealt with and looked after by people of the highest quality and the highest calibre, known well by each of us—people who would be able to put the person who had strayed off the path of law back on to that path again. In every case—and I cannot think of one where the probation staff let me or any other member of my 84-member bench down—we were able to rely on the guidance, the wisdom and the help of the probation staff."
And even back then a familiar argument was used by the govt of the time:
Lord Elton - "since we came into office in 1979 we have increased the number of probation officers by 429 to the present total of 5,600. That is an increase of 8 per cent."
Probation service provision is a never-ending up-its-own-arse cycle of deceit, lies, bluster & bullshit.
PO salary @ 1/4/10: £28,185 - £34,344
PO salary 2025: £35,130 - £42,000
MP salary 2010: £65,738
MP salary 2025: £93,904
Teacher M1-U3 2010: ~ £21,000 - 37,000
Teacher M1-U3 2025: ~£31,000 - £50,000
https://www.probation-institute.org/news/who-do-we-think-we-are-exploring-probation-identity
ReplyDelete"How different roles within the probation service negotiate their identities" - sadly the perspectives they say they are interested in do not cover the role so many forget about - or take for granted if they are still there.
DeleteCase admin were once the lynchpin of any probation office. Any SPO with half a brain would ensure the case admins were fully supported, respected & managed well.
Perhaps, given the nature of the the 'modern' workplace, case admin work is now considered a thing of the past? I can imagine the earnest officer tapping in data at lightspeed, unaware of any errors or mis-types - or worse - as they hurriedly swipe to the next data screen, blind to the auto-correct by deeply embedded algorithms which re-assemble their words into an acceptable format. A corporate document readily available to protect the organisation when the inevitable SFO arises, leaving the expendable officer naked & vulnerable.
So, case admin, yet another 'unnecessary' cost tossed aside in the interests of 'progress'.
A sad, sad loss, as their objective & skilled input meant that any and all practitioners had someone to ground them, a trusted means of identifying & removing hyperbole, unintended bias or simple errors; an earthing wire that prevented many an unwanted conflagration.
In the evening of my probation officer career I was both angered & dismayed at the lack of respect many new joiners had for the role of the admin staff.
Having left some time ago I remain in contact with the tiniest handful of ex-colleagues (by choice) but, I'm proud to say, the majority are those admin staff I used to work with.
Teachers and social workers after 10 years plus are on about 60 in London with responsibility points also lots of additional ways to earn more without being a manager , probation in the poor house
ReplyDeleteGetafix getagrip.. 17 years in and I deserve a decent pay rise , I do an extraordinary job in a difficult situation with shite leaders . I would need a 60 % pay rise tomorrow just to have kept up with inflation .
ReplyDeleteToo many Po staff are in the job for title not the work. Every office carries it's share of difficulty problem laden staff. Disability protections high stress menopausal aged dyslexics high stress syndrome anxious what ever have you. The service carries lame and lost into everyday routine. I know of staff who have a full time assistant care who effectively does their job. These reasonable adjustments are a joke. They cost the organisation dearly and with this carry me staffing structure any pay rises have to factor in these on costs. No I don't see 60% ever as a good spend in any office given the function we deliver it's all just controlled admin. No autonomy no decisions to be made it's all defined. Not a professional role in it.
DeleteThoughts and prayers to the member of staff who has been stabbed today. 2 in a matter of months now :(
ReplyDeleteI can't see any news on this anywhere, can you confirm this?
DeleteIt was posted in our regions Teams channel there has been an incident. Said staff member is in hospital and person in police custody. No mention of a stabbing though
DeleteAgain - very sad - I certainly had a few unpleasant experiences with clients out of control in my probation career 1973-2003. I was fortunate and came to no serious harm. I doubt that all the security measures in the world will stop this. I hated my last year in service when staff had shared offices with interview rooms - it suited me far better to be able to personalise my office and welcome clients alone there - with a security button similar to the one I had as a 1960s branch bank officer, and with colleagues who were prepared to stand outside on very rare occassions or accompany me on home visits , once or twice in a thirty-year career as I did with them. To my mind we need to appear as personal as is possible to our clients so they can engage with us and practice a normal constructive professional/personal relationship.
DeleteCheck out what happened to Murray Bruggen - I think in Preston in the late 1970s and he became a very well respected chair of Napo.
UK Prison Service
ReplyDelete6 November at 18:43 ·
A probation officer has appeared in court charged with having a “romantic” relationship with a prisoner at Britain’s most secure jail.
Bethany Dent-Reynolds is accused of engaging in an inappropriate tryst with Kieran Robinson at HMP Belmarsh in South East London.
The 27-year-old also allegedly tried to access prison computer records to “secure unauthorised access to data”.
Dent-Reynolds appeared at Westminster Magistrates’ Court yesterday charged with two counts of wilfully neglecting to perform her duty as a public officer.
She is also accused of attempting to access unauthorised information on a computer between February and May last year.
Dent-Reynolds spoke only to confirm her name, date of birth and address during the brief hearing.
Classic another female rogue officer. What the hell is recruitment about.
DeleteThis has gone on since before I qualified with my CQSW in Liverpool in 1975 - one of my recent predecessors at my first office had resigned as a result of such a (so called) inappropriate relationship. She went on to be a very well regarded Senior Social worker in the same locality. Not so much rogue as human - with all the drives and urges we are born with that too often social work and government attempt to disregard. Yes (if she did) attempt to access unauthorised information - that may well be a crime - I hope she is able to rebuild her life.
DeleteThanks for keeping going - we seem to be at a sort of tipping point - with an announcement about further reducing jury trials. I have failed to campaign sufficiently. When/if they (whoever they actually represent) come for me I cannot expect anyone to stand up for me. In fact aged 76 - I may die without the worst happening to British democracy but unless their is a determined revolution (preferably non-violent) I doubt my grandchildren will be so fortunate.
ReplyDeleteDrat - dyslexia strikes again - failure to proof read - correction - there not *their - sorry.
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