Saturday 29 September 2018

Latest From the Inspector

Here we have that speech from Dame Glenys Stacey given the other day:-

Thank you for inviting me to speak here at Birkbeck this evening. It is such a pleasure to have the chance to meet with you all, and to discuss with you matters that are dear to my heart. 


I understand Birkbeck’s founders first met in the Crown and Anchor, in the Strand. It was THE public house for radical and reformist thinkers at the time, back in the 1820s. Nowadays, the college enjoys more contemporary facilities, but is just as hospitable as the Crown and Anchor – as we have seen – and no doubt it is just as committed to radical and reformist thinking. 

This is a timely event, and a fitting venue, as we cannot deny we have experienced radical and reformist thinking in shaping the probation service delivery model in recent years. Now government is planning further changes, and has consulted on some aspects of the way probation is to be delivered. What is more, ministers are expressing a new interest in the tripartite relationship between punishment, sentencing and probation. I welcome that fresh interest. 

This event gives us, here, the chance to think about how these things relate to each other, and how the right balance is to be struck between punishment, rehabilitation and restoration (another tri-partite relationship, I think). When we look at desistance research, the focus is on the need for offenders to ‘make good’ as Professor Shadd Maruna put it. This is somewhat different to punishing people, yet we know that there is a public expectation that offenders will be punished. This is a given, and indeed all community sentences must by law contain at least one element of punishment. 

There’s a good debate to be had – and I would argue that it is a question of balance! But I have been asked to speak now about some of the key themes that have arisen from our inspections of probation services. That may seem a dry subject, but I hope to show you it is not, and indeed that it is directly relevant to the wider issue, and the tri- partite relationships we are speaking of. I would like to focus on three areas: alternatives to short custodial sentences, the advice given to courts on sentencing, and then sentencer confidence in community sentences – as we are more likely to see community sentences if judges and magistrates have faith in them.

Community sentence orders are on the decline, despite research showing them to be more effective than short sentences at rehabilitating offenders. Over the past 10 years, the number of community orders has reduced by 52 per cent, and the number of drug and 2 alcohol treatment orders and the number of Accredited Programmes ordered are down as well. Over the same ten-year period, the number of suspended sentences – which are, of course, custodial orders – increased by 31 per cent. 

Incidentally, I was encouraged to see recent pilots that show sentencers are more likely to order drug and alcohol rehabilitation orders when a psychologist is present to assist the court. I think it is really encouraging that these arrangements for expert clinical advice, in court, are being trialled, and I welcome the prospect of the extension of this programme, subject to continuing positive evaluation. Specific drug and alcohol treatment orders can change people’s lives for the better. 

At various points in time, policymakers have hoped that community sanctions would operate as an alternative to imprisonment, reduce prison populations, and be a safe and cost effective way to control crime and rehabilitate offenders. It hasn’t worked that way: across Europe, data on imprisonment and community sanctions show there has been a widening of the criminal justice remit, with more people entering the system through both custody and community sanctions. So, what are the alternatives, now, to short prison sentences?

Prisoners who serve short sentences typically have chaotic lives and greater levels of need. This is often characterised by a combination of substance misuse, homelessness and mental health issues. Working with this group is challenging but important, both for the individual involved and for society at large. When people are in and out of custody, it causes disruption to the individual, our prison and probation services and to wider society. 

In most cases, short prison sentences do more harm than good. The Ministry of Justice’s own research confirms community sentences can lead to greater reductions in reoffending, compared to short custodial sentences. Community sentences can keep a vulnerable person on the right side of the prison gate, but they need to be delivered well, to be effective. 

So for example, unpaid work, when combined with other aspects of probation, has great potential but our inspections have found it is not being delivered to a uniformly high standard. 

Unpaid work is often the longest period that an offender is likely to be in close contact with a member of probation staff. Good unpaid work can help individuals to develop life and vocational skills that reduce the risk of reoffending. Research shows unpaid work is most effective if it starts promptly and runs regularly, and those doing it see it as useful and rewarding, and if staff supervising the work follow the principles of pro-social modelling. 

That is what we should expect. However, our thematic inspection from 2016 found managers gave little consideration to how unpaid work could contribute to rehabilitation, and we still find it regarded as an adjunct to probation supervision, rather than fully integrated into it as part and parcel of the rehabilitative work. But in 2016, the requirements for unpaid work (what good unpaid work looks like) were not specifically stated. 

Following on from that inspection, we have worked over the last year with probation providers and government to produce clear, unequivocal standards for Unpaid Work, and for all other aspects of probation work as well.

And I am glad to see government taking a new interest in unpaid work, and asking – in its consultation recently about the future of probation services – what can be done to promote unpaid work schemes which both make reparation to communities and equip offenders with employment-related skills and experience? It is the right question, hopefully seeking the right balance between reparation and rehabilitation, without undue emphasis on punishment. 

Do have a look at our standards. They are on our website. They now underpin all our inspections, and they are being used increasingly by probation providers, to inform for example their staff training and their own quality management systems. 

Unpaid work is a commonly used community sentence, up there with Rehabilitation Activity Requirements - orders that enable probation providers to do what is best with each individual, by way of rehabilitation. In our 2017 inspection of these types of order, we found insufficient meaningful probation activity, and no activity at all in about one in ten cases.

Government has the opportunity now to be more specific about what is expected, as it recasts contract provisions and moves to a smaller number of CRCs nationwide. We have recommended already that these orders should only be used when they are likely to provide the best rehabilitation for the offender, over and above other options. So for example, in cases of domestic abuse we know that the number of orders made for an offender to undertake the only accredited programme (‘Building Better Relationships’) has reduced by 12% in twelve months, and we hope in highlighting that, that the National Probation Service will recommend it and magistrates and judges order participation in the programme more often. 

I say that I hope the NPS will recommend it, as in deciding whether to order unpaid work or a rehabilitation activity requirement or indeed to impose a prison sentence, courts are advised by the NPS, responsible for providing advice in some 140,000 cases each year.

Traditionally, pre-sentence advice was delivered in full written reports. In recent times, challenging targets for speedy justice have led to most advice being delivered orally, on the day. After a shaky start, it is a credit to the NPS that it now has a good process in place. It is generally able to get the right information together quickly, and competent and motivated staff are in court daily, to enable courts to pass sentences swiftly and safely. 

However, we have found that the NPS does not assess the risk of an individual going on to cause serious harm well enough overall, and yet this is core probation work. 

In addition, the NPS’s reports generally meet the court’s needs but they are less likely to be comprehensive enough for CRCs, who take over and manage most cases. There is a fault line here – CRCs cannot be sure that the NPS presents a full enough picture for them in each case. CRCs are then paid for producing timely sentence plans, rather than making sure each plan is based on a sufficiently thorough assessment of the individual. In some cases, plans do not take into account relevant matters, such as a history of domestic abuse, child protection issues, or antisocial attitudes and lifestyles. 

We know that the NPS has plans to improve pre-sentence work and has invested in technology here as well. And it is now taking a default position and advising community sentences rather than suspended sentence. And again, we welcome government’s renewed interest: in its recent consultation it has proposed that a more comprehensive assessment of the individual is developed and added to over time, so that all agencies dealing with the individual have access to the right information at the right time, without having to collect it from scratch.

The NPS can get yet better at advising courts, but of course, judges and magistrates need to be sure that a community sentence will be delivered well enough, in order to have confidence that a community sentence is preferable to the alternatives. Sentencer confidence is a live issue.

More than a third of community and suspended orders include a Rehabilitation Activity Requirement, but we know from our inspection of such cases that magistrates lack confidence in them. A survey by the Magistrates’ Association has found almost three- 4 quarters of respondents said they did not have enough information about what offenders will do when serving such a requirement. 

When it comes to it, confidence is built by consistent, good quality probation services, but we have found serious failings in the delivery of Rehabilitation Activity Requirements on the ground. It is time to look again at RARs – they haven’t delivered as intended – and I was pleased to see that the Ministry of Justice recognise recently the need to be more specific, in CRCs’ future contracts, about what is expected.

For starters, and as we recommended when inspecting RARs, these orders need to be started promptly, there need to be proper programmes of structured work, and absences need to be dealt with promptly and consistently as well. The public, magistrates and judges need to know individuals have meaningful supervision and receive appropriately tailored probation services, striking the right balance between reparation, rehabilitation and punishment, in order to have faith in community sentences. 

The Ministry of Justice’s consultation on the future of probation services closed last week (21 September). The Inspectorate responded, of course, and we have published that response on our website. We look forward to hearing more about how the government will shape the future of probation services, and trust that our inspection findings will be material to government and ministers as they think through the next iteration of the probation delivery model. 

The way probation services are delivered is inextricably linked to the efficacy of sentencing. It underpins that tri-partite relationship between punishment, sentencing and probation, and it influences it as well – as the better we are at probation, the more likely it is that judges and magistrates will order a community sentence, and the more likely government policy will lean towards community sentences as well. 

Thank you for listening and I look forward to hearing your thoughts shortly.

Dame Glenys Stacey

54 comments:

  1. Some key messages from that speech, and it doesn't look at all impressive. Every aspect of Probation is failing - sentencing advice, risk assessment, sentence planning, sentence delivery. Pity Dame Glenys wraps it up in sugar coating rather than make MoJ/HMPPS choke on the bitter pill it truly is:

    * Over the past 10 years, the number of community orders has reduced by 52 per cent

    * the NPS’s reports generally meet the court’s needs but they are less likely to be comprehensive enough for CRCs... There is a fault line here.

    * we have found that the NPS does not assess the risk of an individual going on to cause serious harm well enough overall, and yet this is core probation work.

    * In some cases, [CRC sentencing] plans do not take into account relevant matters, such as a history of domestic abuse, child protection issues, or antisocial attitudes and lifestyles.

    * our thematic inspection from 2016 found managers gave little consideration to how unpaid work could contribute to rehabilitation

    * In our 2017 inspection of these types of order [RARs], we found insufficient meaningful probation activity, and no activity at all in about one in ten cases.

    * we have found serious failings in the delivery of Rehabilitation Activity Requirements on the ground.

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    1. Basically, Dame Glenys, no more Mary Poppins niceness; its time to bring on nasty Nurse Ratchett.

      "Medication time"

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    2. Latest from the Yorkshire Post.

      https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/opinion/tom-richmond-chris-grayling-s-failings-cannot-be-passed-over-any-more-safety-is-again-being-put-at-risk-1-9372368

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    3. Any leaks on the content of the two year pay deal being proposed by NAPO?

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    4. why is the blog not reporting the pay deal. anti-napo bias or what

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    5. So what is the deal, @10:34?

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    6. Maybe because there is nothing to post from Napo as usual

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    7. Not a peep from a single peeps - perhaps, as @10:53 suggests, there isn't a deal after all?

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  2. (from 08:39 link) "Mr Grayling’s failings when it comes to transport policy have already been documented and commuters are, rightly, insulted that he’s still in post.

    Yet a report published by HM Inspectorate of Probation is damning of policies pursued by Mr Grayling as Justice Secretary in David Cameron’s government.

    Its chief inspector, Dame Glenys Stacey, says some of the personal safety of Britain’s two million domestic abuse victims – and also children caught up in violent relationships – has been put at unnecessary risk because private probation firms are failing to supervise offenders properly.

    In some areas, only 27 per cent of eligible offenders have been referred to accredited programmes to tackle abusive behaviour. “It is not an exaggeration to say that many individuals were drifting through their supervision period without being challenged or supported to change their predilection for domestic violence, and that simply won’t do,” she said in her report.

    The Yorkshire Post says: Chris Grayling: I don’t run the trains. Minister dodges responsibility again

    “Those left unchallenged and unassisted pose a particular threat to others, most especially those close to them. Too often we were left wondering how safe victims and children were, especially when practitioners failed to act on new information indicating that they could be in danger. Practitioners often underestimated the level of harm victims and children were exposed to. Some practice was of grave concern to us.”

    The inquiry goes on to explain how the Government’s Transforming Rehabilitation programme changed the delivery of probation services in England and Wales. Since June 2014, they have been delivered by two distinct sectors: a public National Probation Service and Community Rehabilitation Companies, which are independent organisations held accountable by the Ministry of Justice.

    And who was Justice Secretary from September 2012 to May 2015 when these changes were being introduced and implemented? You’ve guessed it – Chris ‘Don’t Blame Me’ Grayling.

    Not only have his reforms risked the safety of some of society’s most vulnerable people, but last week’s Office of Rail and Road report also revealed how this year’s timetable chaos – a legacy of his mismanagement of the Department for Transport – has put at risk passengers who, as a result of late trains, had to walk home late at night in the dark from remote stations."

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  3. State outsourcing project. Punishment equals profit whose means and amounts are commercially sensitive (secret). You punish, we pay, you profit and no questions asked. If it wasn't for those damned pesky inspectors ...

    I would like to thank our prison and probation inspection teams. Staff in both organisations have been ignored regards there concerns for health and safety, public protection and much more. It is only when inspectors highlight the same concerns that any media coverage is had and executive attention is stirred.

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    1. I find this article both fascinating and disturbing at the same time.
      Prison Officers? Not Social Workers or probation officers?

      https://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/education-news/prison-officers-school-behaviour-support-workers-children-principal-resourcing-a8559811.html

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    2. Rory Stewart tweets: "Our best prison officers can be great educators - let’s get beyond the cliches and prejudices here - there is a lot that different public servants can learn from each other in #changing lives"

      And links to this article in Times Ed Supp:


      A union leader has described a job advert calling for prison officers to work in schools as “concerning".

      The advert, posted by Hull-based employment agency Principal Resourcing, specifically asks for prison officers or ex-prison officers to work as behaviour support workers in schools to “effectively deal with behaviour issues and disruptions”.

      Mary Bousted, joint-general secretary of the NEU, said: “A supply agency putting this ad out is concerning because children are not criminals and the set of skills you learn as a prison officer are not necessarily transferable to a school.

      “In schools you want children, with your help, to develop better ways to behave by lifting their self-esteem, rather than having the rigid disciplinary model of a prison.

      “Some prison officers will have these skills, but what seems peculiar is an advert targeted at them.

      "I'm not saying prison officers shouldn’t work in schools, but the advert seems to assume that the practice for managing behaviour in schools is the same as in prisons.”

      The agency is currently advertising for prison officers in schools across Leeds, Bradford, Harrogate and Wakefield.

      Its adverts state the successful candidate will “work with disadvantaged students from very difficult contexts".

      Meanwhile, supply teachers have criticised supply agencies for employing ex-police officers and soldiers to work as cover supervisors instead of booking qualified supply teachers.

      One supply teacher, who did not wish to be named, said large multi-academy trusts were valuing the regimented approach of people with services backgrounds, who were prepared to work for lower rates than agencies because they are already on pensions.

      She said: “They might be good at discipline but they’re not trained teachers. And we’re going to see the effects in a few years’ time when kids are not passing their exams.”

      NEU assistant general secretary Andrew Morris said: "Someone’s ability to manage a group of children’s behaviour doesn’t mean they also have the ability or training to ensure they are learning.

      "Nobody is doubting that cover supervisors carry out their work to the best of their ability, but everyone should ask whether the absence of a qualified teacher is compromising pupils’ education.”

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    3. They can't get enough prison officers to work in prisons and the majority now have little or no experience.
      Why would Rory Steward be OK with the ones they do have leaving and going into education?

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    4. Clearly massive issue with training undercuts. But no matter what the training is. They have lost so much experience, it is going to be decades before they get that back. Same with Probation. In the early days of being a PO,I had no idea at all the approach I took with Offenders. The great training I got as a TPO was absolutely brilliant. Hard, my God it was hard, but when I qualified, I felt ready, aimed and primed. Not sure the new P-quippers feel the same. Pretty sure most of the newly qualifed prison Officers do.Yes, there were Dinosaurs, but we needed them, and we need them now.

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    5. By do, I meant don't obvs!!

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    6. But (1) your narcissistic self-important managers don't want "dinosaurs" around, it exposes their ignorance, i.e. lack of knowledge AND lack of finesse; (2) "dinosaurs" can't co-exist with unicorns.

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  4. Anybody out there got any good ideas on jobs to escape to from Probation? I don't want to be a Probation Officer anymore, it's fucking awful

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    1. Read post @ 11:13

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    2. YOS perhaps? Secondment or if you have SW degree a Yos social worker. Various mentoring projects also a possibility.

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  5. Well Glenys I would love to do some actual meaningful work with my clients, however, this is not a cash linked target and as I have two reviews and two ISP's from new allocations this week the 43 people I have scheduled in will be getting the perfunctory him, everything ok, fine I'll see you in two weeks treatment .

    THAT is now the reality of TR.

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    1. Not for me mate.Say Fuck the targets. Still get good on the Appraisal. Dare my manager to say otherwise. Threaten them with a Grievance. Just do the job you are paid to do. I have, it has never changed from 2004 when I qualified. Ignore the bullshit. Challenge the managers, slip under the radar.Its easy, but takes confidence and being assertive. You can do this, do it, starting Monday.

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    2. Exactly! That’s just how I get through the day and no one gives a fxxx with no pay rise for 8 years and not even close to the top of the scale after 12 years qualified. I take no notice of all the crap and just do what I think is important they can do one !

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  6. Napo negotiators recommend a two year NPS pay reform offer

    It’s been 10 years since Napo and the Probation unions were last engaged in meaningful pay negotiations. Members will be only too aware that the blame for that gap lies squarely with this Government and the Con-Dem Coalition that originally imposed the austerity policies and public sector pay freeze that have seriously impacted on our members living standards.

    In the summer, Napo at last heard the good news that the Treasury had authorised HMPPS to commence formal negotiations with us on Probation pay reform. As has been previously reported, these have taken place over the summer and finally concluded this week.

    Yesterday, your pay team reported back to Napo’s Probation Negotiating Committee (PNC). Here we gave a detailed presentation on the best and final offer from the employer which also included a full Equality Impact Assessment (EIA). After an extensive and wide ranging debate the PNC unanimously agreed that the pay offer should be put to a ballot of NPS members together with a recommendation to accept.

    Given that UNISON and GMB are about to consult on the offer early next week with their respective negotiating committees, we have agreed that the full offer will be made available to Napo reps and members in a series of communications over the next two weeks starting with a special briefing for Branch reps attending at next week’s Napo AGM. It is fair to say that the offer meets a number of the Napo’s key objectives contained in the joint unions’ pay claims that were submitted last year, and secures a number of important guarantees for our members.

    More news will follow in the lead in to a ballot of Napo NPS members. This is being provisionally scheduled to take place between the 15th October to 5th November.

    If the pay offer is agreed by members we would expect the employer to do all it can to pay out the award as soon as possible.

    What about our members in the CRCs?

    We fully appreciate that this news will be of immense interest to Napo members currently employed within the 21 Community Rehabilitation Companies who will be anxious to know more about Napo’s intentions in current pay negotiations with the CRC’s or those scheduled to start soon.

    We will be issuing detailed communications to CRC members at the earliest opportunity and our future negotiating strategy on CRC pay will certainly be discussed at the special AGM briefing for Branch Reps in Southport.

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    1. What happens next?

      As members would expect, much work is now required in order for us to prepare further communications in advance of the member consultation prior to a ballot of NPS members. We are also working with the employer to facilitate opportunities for members to take part in workplace meetings where you will be able to discuss the offer in detail with your local Napo reps.

      We also anticipate that features such as an online ‘ready reckoner’ to enable members to see what the pay offer means to them and links via the NPS to the Probation unions website pay pages will also be available.

      Please look out for more information as soon as it becomes available. Meanwhile it would be greatly appreciated if members could avoid direct contact with Napo HQ or their employer in advance of this, as both sides are engaged in preparing our respective communications.

      Not in a trade union? Join Napo now and have your say on this hard won pay offer.

      Finally, why not share this communication with colleagues who may not currently be members of a trade union? We are actively encouraging new joiners to Napo and once an individual signs up they will be able to have their say in the pay ballot.

      IAN LAWRENCE GENERAL SECRETARY
      DEAN ROGERS ASSISTANT GENERAL SECRETARY
      YVONNE PATTISON NATIONAL CO-CHAIR

      28th SEPTEMBER 2018

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    2. "If the pay offer is agreed by members we would expect the employer to do all it can to pay out the award as soon as possible."

      What if the pay offer is agreed but then reneged upon as previously, when a failure to honour the terms of the 2008 probation pay settlement meant we gave up 3 days' leave for the grand sum of fuck all?

      And Napo recommended accepting that, regarding securing the deal as a "triumph". About as successful as EVR.

      Sorry. Not convinced. I'm a trade unionist but Napo is full of bullshit. My career, my terms & conditions, my professional status has only ever been compromised by Napo's amateurism.

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    3. Agree.

      "It is fair to say that the offer meets a number of the Napo’s key objectives contained in the joint unions’ pay claims that were submitted last year, and secures a number of important guarantees for our members."

      If you don't like we have agreed on your behalf, we won't be arguing to hard for anything else if you reject it.

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    4. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/pensions-retirement/news/pension-savers-revolt-annual-allowance-cuts-hit-public-services/

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    5. "Pay reform in 2008 was horribly miss-sold. Staff were promised progression at up to 5% a year. The leave trade-off for experienced staff to help fund the deal now feels like contractual robbery." Napo Pay Claim Briefing 2018.

      "The attached agreement was negotiated as part of the 2008 – 2010 pay settlement between officers of Napo and UNISON, representing the recognised National Probation Service trade unions, representatives of the members of the Probation Association, representing the National Probation Service Employers and officials of the National Offender Management Service (NOMS). Discussions will commence in January 2009 regarding the Modernisation Package. By March 31st, 2009, a work programme, containing milestones and end dates will be in place and work will have commenced to address each of the areas for discussion contained within this agreement... There is a shared interest in
      reviewing and shortening pay band length
      and therefore a shared commitment to re
      view the overall pay structure... By March 31st, 2009, a work programme, containing milestones and end dates will be in place and work will have commenced to address each of the areas for discussion contained within this agreement." NNC CIRCULAR NO.17/2008; Yours faithfully, Christine Lawrie, Jonathan Ledger

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    6. It might seem harsh to hammer Napo when its the employer who isn't playing fair but:

      1. Napo hasn't had any proven success for it's members in the last 10 years
      2. Napo paid officials seem determined to portray themselves as effective
      3. Napo - unintentionally or otherwise - has done more to assist Moj/Noms/HMPPS than it's members

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    7. That's precisely why the MoJ got seriously worried Napo members might have elected Mike Rolfe!

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    8. So with regards to pay where will this leave crc probation staff. I forgot sold down the river again.

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    9. Although there are only a handful of 'owners', there are 21 different employing companies for Napo to negotiate with. Is it lawful for, lets say Sodexo as example, to agree pay for their six CRCs en masse? Doesn't this irritate those CRCs with less bargaining power? Or, more to the point, disadvantage those employed in the Sodexo CRCs! I noticed that when additional funding was agreed Sodexo's contracts started a month earlier than anyone else's. And won't the SoS (currently Gauke) have to sanction each & every agreement as the holder of the 21 Golden Shares?

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  7. Remanding 18 year olds in adult prisons is plain wrong. How can we call the UK a civilised society when we bang up teenagers in such horrendous conditions? Many are extremely vulnerable, traumatised or care leavers. I feel depressed and disgusted that this is being allowed to happen.

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    1. So what do you suggest then. Let them roam free armed with knives, samurai swords and guns. The aged and vulnerable home owners who live in the same areas feel like prisoners in their own homes. Come and live here and feel the tensions we have to endure on a daily basis, then your opinion might change. Sorry can't agree with your opinion. Might be that I live, breathe and see what's going on with a minority of these poor darlings. A solution might be more family work with parents of these kids who cause mayhem and destruction on the streets in educating some common values and decency. Might be a good place to start.

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    2. Precisely, we have worked with 3 generations of clients over the years whose values are handed down. Nothing that we, or the Courts churn out changes some of the notorious families mind sets. More does need to be done to tackle families and I don't see much of that happening in this work. Blame society is always an easy option start heaping some blame back on parents who encourage behaviours. Big issue to tackle but lets stop pussy footing around. Some of these teenagers are dangerous and parents either ignore what's going on, encourage it or are too scared of them.

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    3. 3 generations on and we are locking up the current generation with the previous two that's failed. I fail to see how that can be productive. I see it propagating the problem rather then a solution. Fucked up kids make fucked up adults that make more fucked up kids and the cycle continues.
      If locking up the 2 previous generations hasn't brought change, nor made society a better or safer place, it's unreasonable to expect it to impact positively on the current generation. It remains the same shit, it's only the flies that change.

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    4. So how do we tackle generational criminal family systems. Most have homes, most have more surplace money to spend than you or I. Some offer training in how to get round the system and some don,t give a toss about either. Giving up this way of life is the bit where it gets complicated. Down the road from us are the regional drug dealers, stereotypical people, 4x4 car, designer clobber heaping misery on all who go near him. Son rides in the same car, designer clobber spoilt little brat mouth like a sewer. Grandparents as nice as anything keep their mouths shut due to being treated twice a year to fancy holidays. Man round the other corner, encourages use of weapons to be used by his children to fight against bigger children. Grandad killed whilst being in a fight, grandchildren hail grandad 'their hero'. So where do we start? I agree some 18 + don't need to be locked up but where is our respite, who have to endure them on a daily basis.

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    5. I do honestly take your point and feel your frustration. It's the same everywhere, but it's not always been like that. So when did it start to go wrong, when the some families begin to evolve into the criminal units that some are today? More importantly, why did they, and why were they allowed to evolve that way?
      It's a very complex question, and requires some very complex answers, and probably some very harsh home truths.
      I just feel that if we keep shoving generation after generation along the same route, knowing it hasn't worked previously, we're not really looking for solutions at all, we're just creating the 4th, 5th, 6th generations of messed up people.

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    6. Dare I suggest at this point that when I started in Probation there was something called 'Intermediate Treatment' - take kids in danger of offending off into the countryside, caving, canoeing, mountain climbing etc etc. Help broaden their horizons, provide different role models, give them responsibility etc etc. All got scrapped because of it didn't pass the fucking Daily Mail test - they labelled it treats for naughty boys. Probation should have stood its ground argued our case, but we caved in to tough on crime bullshit. Look where it's got us. It's all on the blog go read it up and weep.

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    7. Intermediate Treatment.
      I remember that. I also remember Day Care. Removing kids from the family and peers on a daily basis from 9 till 5, giving them purposeful activity, daily structure, support and positive role models.
      Again, didn't meet the Daily Hiel test.

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    8. Interestingly, the man round the corner, who tools up his kids to fight bigger lads and lassies, his kids would benefit from Intermediate Treatment. Alas, they will never know normality. We used to go to the Mablethorpe children's homes centre for a fortnight. It was for the underprivileged children but we never thought of ourselves as that when we were there. Another good venture that has been lost. Just goes to show without these good causes and others there is little hope for families. However, parents, carers need more support in bringing up the 4th and 5th generations.

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    9. I was under the impression that all the UKs troubled families were no more?
      Didn't this Conservative Government plough over a £billion into a programme that had a 100% success rate, though they don't seem to boast about it anymore?

      https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/aug/09/troubled-families-programme-failed#ampshare=https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/aug/09/troubled-families-programme-failed

      'Getafix

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    10. My point was that 18 year olds should not be remanded ( pre- sentence) to adult prisons. It is a loophole as once sentenced they would not be in adult setting but YOI etc. Not sure everyone aware of the situation before sounding off!

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    11. Might be more of a deterrent getting thrown into the lions den and then getting sentenced to an infant playpen. Sorry I think YOI's who take the law into their own hands deserve to see what life is like behind the big bars. It might just stop some of this dangerous behaviour that are plaguing communities.

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    12. Is that opinion evidence based?

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  8. Regardless of what this pay offer is, the disconnect between Union HQ and the field is highlighted by the assumption there can be workplace meetings for all NPS members over a 2 week period
    "where you will be able to discuss the offer in detail with your local Napo reps." Most NPS areas are large, not all have NPS Branch Officers/reps and naive to assume even if you are in area where there is a NPS Branch Officer that they can "discuss the offer in detail" at more than a couple of area meetings. Huge demand to provide many workplace meetings! A lot will depend on Exec members making use of AGM briefings & updating colleagues. There'll be much poring over the papers for sure.

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  9. Five prison officers have been injured in a disturbance at a high security men's jail, the Prison Office has said. Disorder broke out at HMP Long Lartin in Worcestershire at about 09:30 BST on Sunday and is ongoing. Specialist "Tornado" officers have been brought in to deal with the disturbance, which involves eight inmates and is contained to one wing.

    The officers were treated for minor facial injuries at the scene. A Prison Service spokesperson said: "Specially trained prison staff have been deployed to deal with an ongoing incident at HMP Long Lartin. Five members of staff have been treated for injuries.

    "We do not tolerate violence in our prisons, and are clear that those responsible will be referred to the police and could spend longer behind bars."

    HMP Long Lartin holds more than 500 prisoners, including some of the country's most dangerous offenders.

    In June it was reported that the prison's governor received hospital treatment after being attacked by a prisoner. And in October last year riot officers were called to the prison to deal with a serious disturbance in which staff were attacked with pool balls.

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    1. Great job your doing HMPPS, feel underwhelmed by the good work that you do. Hope these Officers are OK make sure you look after them and anyone else caught up in this.

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    2. http://www.leaderlive.co.uk/news/16951308.woman-stole-from-flintshire-superstore-on-purpose-so-she-could-go-back-to-jail/

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    3. "We do not tolerate violence in our prisons," … utterly vacuous from a department that has lost control and is wilfully ignoring sound advice about how to sort this out: legislate to reduce short term prison sentences, invest in probation.

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  10. Why is there a steady exodus from CRC to NPS? Why is there a steady exodus from Prison Officer roles to wherever? As one current Prison employee said to me,'Would you encourage your newly fledged adult daughter or son to work as a Prison Officer for £20k?' 'No!', said I very definitely. Pay is important but it is far far from the whole of it. Integrity, safety, professionalism, feeling valued all matter more than the size of a monthly pay packet. Of course pay matters too.

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    1. It seems to be working the other way too if our area is anything to go by We are seeing a pattern of newly qualified POs getting team manager jobs in CRC ! God help their teams

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  11. Think it is time perhaps for a dedicated Pay or not to pay thread Jim?

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