A little bleary this morning as I had dinner last night with Paul Streets of the Lloyds Bank Foundation. Eating at Roast, the marvellous restaurant in the Borough Market (which is a charity as well as the place to buy your organic and fresh produce!). Paul is doing a great job there and he's an ACEVO member obviously. He used to run Diabetes UK before joining the DH! He is now back in our sector where he should be.
whilst his organisation busies itself spending lots of MoJ money drumming-up bidders for our work. The following is an observation made by an attender at one of these events, representing a potential tier 2/3 bidder:-
An Alice in Wonderland meeting
I recently went to a meeting as a Tier 2/3 provider on negotiation skills run by ACEVO, very exciting. So the meeting opens, lots of questions about fairly basic information about the process. Any answers? No, lots of “don’t know”, “we will raise that with the MOJ” etc etc, Took a long time to go through all the questions they could not answer.
I recently went to a meeting as a Tier 2/3 provider on negotiation skills run by ACEVO, very exciting. So the meeting opens, lots of questions about fairly basic information about the process. Any answers? No, lots of “don’t know”, “we will raise that with the MOJ” etc etc, Took a long time to go through all the questions they could not answer.
PbR
Some interesting answers, summarised below
Tier One
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Paid Y/N
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Tier Two\ Three
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Paid Y/N
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Achieve result
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Y
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Y
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Achieve result
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Y
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Y
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Achieve result
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Y
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Y
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Achieve result
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N
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N
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Achieve result
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N
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N
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Achieve result
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Y
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N
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Achieve result
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N
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N
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Achieve result
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N
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N
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Tier Two and Threes will only get paid if the Tier One achieves their outcomes. So as a Tier Two or Three you can achieve the agreed outcomes but not get paid! There was also an additional sting in the tail, Tier 2/3 providers results have to be “statistically significant!" Head they win, tails you lose.
Employment Issues
Interesting the employment model they were using in terms of Unit costs, the slide stated
Unit costs
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Volume of Clients
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1,000
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Maximum case load for an adviser
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100
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therefore
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10 advisers
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Number of advisers per manager
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10
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therefore
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1 manager
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There was a further discussion on wages for advisers with the average figure being £20,000 per annum. When some providers discussed higher salaries they were told “higher salaries” were unlikely to gain contracts.
The day was a strange day of no answers and a total lack of understanding in terms of what the probation service does and who they deal with. From my perspective as a potential tier 2/3 provider, today was the end of our involvement in this process. It looks and feels like a shambles and my organisation will, on my recommendation, have nothing more to do with it.
They clearly feel they had a lucky escape. But don't worry all you other potential tier 2/3 bidders out there, for help is at hand! Lots more MoJ money is being spent on this new venture:-
They clearly feel they had a lucky escape. But don't worry all you other potential tier 2/3 bidders out there, for help is at hand! Lots more MoJ money is being spent on this new venture:-
Clinks Newsflash | TR Helpline goes live tomorrow!
Our Transforming Rehabilitation Helpline goes live at 10am tomorrow! The Helpline will support voluntary sector organisations who are thinking about, or working towards, a subcontract under the Transforming Rehabilitation (TR) programme.
Clinks, in collaboration with Russell-Cooke Solicitors, is opening the Helpline to provide information and advice about the subcontracting process and issues to consider when subcontracting. The Helpline will also be able to refer small and medium sized organisation entering contract negotiations for free legal advice with our partner legal firms.
Details
Open 10am – 4pm, Monday - Friday
Telephone - 020 3637 0155
Email - TRHelpline@clinks.org
Additional supportThe Helpline is part of the Clinks TR Legal Support Project, funded by the Ministry of Justice. Additional support from this project includes:
GUIDANCE | Subcontracting: a guide to the legal implications
Our guide to subcontracting under the TR programme covers areas such as entering negotiations, analysing risk, HR and TUPE, data protection, collaborative working, and disputes and termination. There is an introduction to TR and 10 modules which can be downloaded individually. Video introductions to these modules will be available towards the end of March. The guide is available here
WORKSHOPS | Subcontracting: the legal implications
These workshops are being run with our legal partners around the country in March. They aim to explain the legal implications of the Industry Standard Partnering Agreement (ISPA). Check the dates and locations and book your place here
TRAINING | Negotiation skills, unit costing and impact measurement
We are offering Negotiation skills training; an extension of the ACEVO programme which ran throughout February. The training will be run by ACEVO and Candour Collaborations. Negotiation skills training will be run alongside our TR Subcontracting workshops, which will be at the same venue in the morning. You can book for one or both sessions; lunch will be provided for anyone booking on both sessions. We will also be running a course on Unit Costings and Impact Measurement with ACEVO.
The training programmes are free, book your place here
RESOURCE | stay up to date with TR
And don't forget our dedicated Transforming Rehabilitation web page; regularly updated by our Policy Team here
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