Tuesday, 18 February 2025

How About That!

I've just listened to David Gauke on the Today programme saying:-

"Our addiction to longer sentences is a serious mistake"

Now that's an understatement if ever I heard one, so the question is, what is his independent review into sentencing going to deliver? As we've seen from the Justice Secretary's diktat last week, Labour have reneged on the election promise of a fundamental probation review, so we must rely on a former Tory Justice minister to say something sensible. Interestingly, he ended this morning's interview by repeating that the 'bidding war must end', Labour of course having done their bit several times since being elected! 

I don't think we covered this New Statesman article from last October, but it clearly gives a strong hint as to the direction of travel. The question of course is, have the government got the bottle?   

How to fix the prisons crisis

The political bidding war over tougher sentences must end.

Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in. Perhaps a Godfather quotation is not entirely appropriate for the subject matter but, more than five years after leaving the Ministry of Justice I am back – rather to my surprise – chairing an independent review of sentencing policy.

It is a privilege to serve, not least because such a review is timely and necessary. It is timely because we face an immediate crisis in prison capacity. The current government inherited a situation in which we were very close to running out of places and had no choice but to take emergency measures and release prisoners early. Anyone in office over the summer would have done the same. But these emergency measures, including further releases today, only provided a brief respite. Demand for prison places is currently growing at 4,500 a year, much faster than the supply of places. This means that unless strategic measures are taken, we will repeatedly risk running out of places.

This capacity issue highlights why it is necessary to look more fundamentally at sentencing policy. We now incarcerate more people per head than any other western European country. Since 1993, the prison population of England and Wales has doubled, even as crime has consistently fallen (a fall, by the way, that can be seen in countries that have not increased their prison population). The reason for the increase in the prison population is clear. We sentence more people to prison and we sentence them for longer than we used to do.

Prison, of course, should continue to be a vital part of our criminal justice system. There are many circumstances in which it is the right form of punishment and the best way of protecting the public. But the large majority of prisoners will be released at some point and our very high reoffending rates suggest that our overcrowded prisons are not successful in rehabilitating offenders. We need to look at ways in which sentencing policy can better contribute to reducing reoffending and, as a consequence, crime.

There are some who will argue that we should build our way out of our prison capacity issues. But we cannot simply dismiss the reality that we will run out of capacity long before any new prisons can be built. And even if we do, there is a question of cost. On current projections, just to keep up with the growth in prison numbers, we would have to build three large prisons a year at a total cost of £2.3bn. Then there are the staffing, maintenance and other ongoing costs, which mean that it costs the taxpayer £52,000 per prisoner. Maintaining the current approach is, in effect, a significant and unfunded spending commitment at a time when tough decisions must be made about the public finances.

We really ought to be able to do better than an expensive system that fails to rehabilitate offenders. But how to do so? The Sentencing Review Panel is, of course, only at the beginning of its process and there are many aspects of sentencing policy we will want to review but let me highlight three aspects here.

The first is short sentences. As justice secretary, I argued that short prison sentences did more harm than good. The evidence at the time supported this contention but I want to revisit it and, in particular, look at how we can more effectively deal with the most prolific offenders.

Whatever we do with short sentences, however, will not solve the capacity issue when the prison population is increasingly made up of those serving four years or more, very often considerably more. Prisoners, like everyone else, respond to incentives and other jurisdictions have done more than us to reward good behaviour. Texas, for example, introduced a new approach which results in prisoners who complete their programmes, behave well and show evidence of rehabilitation spending less time in jail. The (admittedly very high) Texan prison population has fallen, as has its crime rate. So a second area of interest is whether we could develop an incentives policy appropriate for our system.

The third area is technology. Specifically, does it provide an opportunity to punish, protect society and rehabilitate offenders outside of prison in a way that is much more effective than has previously been possible? Electronic tagging, for example, is increasingly used but we need to understand whether more could be done. The same can be said of drink and drug monitoring. We need to understand the potential for current and future technologies to keep offenders out of prison in the first place, or to safely release some prisoners at an earlier stage than is currently the case. There may well be lessons to be learned from other jurisdictions to ensure that sentencing policy is properly able to exploit these technologies.

For the last 30 years, there has been a sentencing bidding war between the political parties seeking to compete to be seen as the toughest on crime by promising ever-longer prison sentences. Rightly, the public expects criminality to be punished and prison is often viewed as the only effective means of punishment. But the capacity crisis in our prisons has meant that – at the very least – we have no choice but to pause the increase in the prison population. It is also sensible that we now look more broadly at the evidence and ask whether sentencing policy should be more fundamentally reformed. By next spring, we should have the answer.

David Gauke

80 comments:

  1. No mention of the probation service then, which if properly staffed, resourced and managed resolves all these issues.

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    1. To be fair he did mention a better resourced probation service in his radio interview.

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    2. The liar wasn't saying that in office.

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    3. “Better resourced probation service”. Damp squib approach as usual, is that the best he can do. He should be talking for hours about probation and the potential it has, what it would have been doing if wasn’t run into the ground by his government too. Where are our probation “leaders” speaking up on this?

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  2. I try not to be a cynic by nature but I strongly believe Lord Timpson and Gaulke and his inquiry are just plays to buy time until the prison places are available to continue business as usual. Here are two examples to prove my point.

    Look under any crime article in the newspapers and read the comments, they will always say any sentence is far too short and any non custodial sentence is no punishment at all and getting away with it. Clearly they've never met modern probation.

    And then, my specialist subeject, we come onto sex offenders who will probably be excluded from any sentencing review despite the fact that their prison terms are going off the scale. Patently trivial cases are recieving ludicrous sentences because rationality has succumbed to hysteria within the CJS so prison terms are about trying to assuage the unassuagable, rather than prevention and rehabilitation. I could go on but enough for now.

    sox

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  3. Mr Gauke had the opportunity to change things when he was in government but chose not to….he was part of the ‘ tough is not tough enough’ brigade …..party before country with little understanding of RSO’s, then and now. The NHS and Justice needs to be taken out of politics with both being run on cross party lines to prevent the ‘ my party is tougher than your party’ otherwise the debacle will trundle on as usual….

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  4. Sentences have become too long. However it's not just about sentence length, it's also about making everyone that goes through the prison system subject to post sentence supervision.
    Why are so many people subject to probation supervision anyway? It's a nonsense in my opinion and counterproductive.
    I know I bang on a lot about the 12mth and under group, but this cohort gains nothing by being subject to PSS. Infact, I'd argue it's damaging to these people. The recall figures speak for themselves.

    https://insidetime.org/newsround/rapid-rise-in-prison-recalls-threatens-a-return-to-a-prison-capacity-crisis/

    'Getafix

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    1. Recalls used to be authorised by the Courts if i remember correctly, unfortunately giving Probation the power to recall has lead, as time has passed, to it's overuse for any minor transgression due to fear. Fear has also resulted in uprisking most cases, which leads to more work and more intense supervision and control. Until both if these are corrected nothing will improve...

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  5. Everyone knows that PSS is counterproductive for everyone involved, a small win is to scrap PSS immediately

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    1. Probation reset effectively scrapped it already. Legislation needs to catch up.

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  6. Appreciate I am late to the party of this but I am simply aghast at Martin Jones’ comments that recalling is “the easiest thing to do”. What a plonker. Quite the contrary actually ! The arduous faff of waiting around for someone more senior umming and ahhing to make a decision whilst having typed at the speed of lighting due to the inherent and drilled in fear of SFOs is intolerable. Couple this with excessive workloads and constant demands - likely even more in the near future (if my spidey senses serve me well) and other agencies as well as police acting as if we are an emergency service. It’s fine saying that this is the easy way out until you have to submit a report 15 days later - re refer to housing etc etc and that’s even if you can get a video link. I suspect that all these prominent ( I use this term loosely as they haven’t a clue) voices will disappear at the next SFO to cause a media frenzy. It’s us that end up in coroners court or disciplinary to justify our actions. I feel utterly dejected and fed up with I expect more s**t about to be thrown at community based staff imminently.

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  7. Part 1 of Sentencing Review:-

    https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/67b3501a4e79a175a4c2fd90/independent-sentencing-review-part-1-report.pdf

    “The reality is that our prison population has grown very rapidly over the last 30 years and the principal cause of this increase is that prison sentences have been lengthened substantially by successive governments. It is an approach that has emphasised the importance of punishment understood primarily as incarceration – an important aspect of sentencing policy – but has been insufficiently focused on the most effective ways to reduce crime.”

    “The increase has been the result of many decisions made by successive governments and a “tough on crime” narrative that has focused primarily on punishment – understood as incarceration and longer sentences – on occasion responding to embedded misunderstandings about sentencing and high-profile individual cases. In tandem, there has been an underinvestment in probation and other alternatives that can provide rehabilitation and reduce reoffending.”

    “The piecemeal and unstrategic manner in which sentence lengths have increased in recent decades has meant that there has been insufficient consideration of all of the statutory aims of sentencing: punishment, crime reduction, reform and rehabilitation, public protection and reparation. Punishment is an important aim for the criminal justice system and prison plays a vital role in delivering punishment. But too often decision-making has been based on an approach that punishment is all that matters, and that the only form of punishment that counts is imprisonment.”

    He notes that the consequences of this approach “has left England and Wales with a very high prison population by historic and international standards, which has diverted resources from other parts of the criminal justice system that could contribute more to reducing reoffending“. He argues that a more balanced approach would enable resources to be “more effectively deployed to reduce crime and the number of victims.”

    Of course most people, certainly Government ministers, will be impatient to see Mr Gauke’s recommendations in Part 2 for just how this could be achieved.

    Selected quotes from Russell Webster:-

    https://www.russellwebster.com/politicians-need-to-be-tough-on-crime-drives-prison-overcrowding/

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  8. Anyone seen the changes being made to RARR for standard recall? Re-release presumed for cases with an RSR below 2.99, negating the purpose of recall and creating more paperwork for COMs in a week where the justice secretary made a speech saying that probation completes too much paperwork!

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    1. You sound surprised that they actually say any old shit when on TV, then do the opposite off camera....

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    2. I love that those up high signed off the new communication stating they 'appreciate it'll increase the workload', I'd prefer them to appreciate that COMs are already over worked and more layers of crap at least need a double digit payrise at grades SPO and below

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  9. Please do give these programmes a listen... they provide invaluable context to current world affairs

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0027ts6

    "Tomorrow belongs to..."

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  10. https://www.justiceinspectorates.gov.uk/hmiprobation/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2025/01/Recruitment-training-and-retention-thematic-final-250211.pdf

    Recommendations
    Ministry of Justice should:

    1. ensure that probation practitioners’ pay and benefits adequately reflect the responsibilities of the role and are sufficiently competitive to attract and retain staff.

    2. work with HMPPS to evaluate recruitment processes, to understand disproportionality of outcomes at each stage of the recruitment process

    3. work with HMPPS to evaluate PQiP recruitment campaigns by cohort, to understand links between marketing and selection, and completion outcomes and longer-term retention

    HM Prison and Probation Service should:

    4. following consultation, provide regions with user friendly workforce planning tools which provide a consistent national approach to understanding local staffing profiles and adequately support workforce planning

    5. ensure that candidates are supported to disclose all health-related needs and other information which may impact on their placements, and ensure that this information is consistently supplied to operational managers at the earliest opportunity

    6. ensure that appropriate face-to-face delivery methods are used to deliver training that relates to skills development, and that candidates are given sufficient opportunities to practise these skills in learning environments

    7. strengthen mechanisms to ensure that training and development is followed up, to ensure that the learning is translated into practice

    8. ensure that support and protection for NQOs are consistently delivered as intended.


    The response:

    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/hmpps-response-thematic-inspection-of-the-recruitment-training-and-retention-of-frontline-probation-practitioners

    1. This action is partly agreed. Whilst the principle of pay and roles being competitive is accepted and supported, we must operate within departmental affordability constraints and within the parameters of the Civil Service Pay Remit Guidance

    2. The Ministry of Justice Occupational Psychology Centre of Expertise (MoJ People & Capability) has made changes to the recruitment process for probation roles to ensure fairness and inclusion.

    3. MoJ Recruitment Marketing and Communications will evaluate the efficacy of Probation recruitment campaigns

    4. This recommendation is partly agreed as the Workforce Planning Tool is essential to improving Single Operating Platform (SOP) data quality and meeting central Human Resource (HR) and finance data reporting needs...

    5. MoJ People Group and HMPPS will continue to support candidate disclosure of health-related needs and other information which may impact on their placements

    6. This recommendation is partly agreed. We recognise the valuable role of in person face-to-face delivery methods, particularly for relational practice-based learning, however evidence supports the use of a mixed approach of delivery...

    7. HMPPS will increase the number of Managers completing the SEEDS2 learning package from 66% to 90% completion...

    8. The newly published national framework for Newly Qualified Officers (NQOs) expects Senior Probation Officers (SPOs) to include a reduction for all NQOs of 20% of contracted time for an increased period of nine months.

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    1. Why wasn’t this in the Lord Chancellor’s speech?

      1. This action is partly agreed. While we support the principle of competitive pay and roles, we must operate within departmental affordability constraints and the parameters of the Civil Service Pay Remit Guidance.

      - Probation Officer pay is not competitive. It fails to reflect the demands of the job, the complexity of the role, or the additional unpaid overtime staff routinely undertake. The reality is that low pay contributes to staff shortages, burnout, and retention issues, the problems that cannot be solved within the current pay structure.

      2. The Ministry of Justice Occupational Psychology Centre of Expertise (MoJ People & Capability) has made changes to the recruitment process for probation roles to ensure fairness and inclusion.

      Yet, males, Black staff, and people with relevant professional and life experience remain underrepresented. If the recruitment process were genuinely fair and inclusive, we would not see these ongoing disparities. Eligibility for probation officer training used to have a minimum age limit and require a relevant university degree or ability to complete a social work qualification. Now you just need to be 18 years old with a single NVQ level 3. Surely this cannot be right? Existing changes have not resolved the issues, what specific steps are being taken to address this failure?

      3. MoJ Recruitment Marketing and Communications will evaluate the efficacy of Probation recruitment campaigns.

      - Do it quickly. The glossy, happy, smiling, corporate-style videos do not reflect the realities of probation work. Misrepresenting the role as heroic and rewarding only leads to new recruits leaving when they realise the job does not match the marketing. What measures are in place to ensure recruitment campaigns are honest and effective?

      4. This recommendation is partly agreed, as the Workforce Planning Tool is essential to improving Single Operating Platform (SOP) data quality and meeting central HR and finance reporting needs.

      - This is bureaucratic gobbledygook that does nothing to address the real problem: staff shortages. A planning tool does not recruit, retain, or support staff, it just generates more data while frontline teams remain overwhelmed.

      5. MoJ People Group and HMPPS will continue to support candidate disclosure of health-related needs and other information which may impact their placements.

      - But this is not working. Staff with disabilities and health conditions still face barriers to reasonable adjustments, and disclosures are often met with inaction. Take ownership, what is being done to ensure that disclosed needs actually lead to meaningful support?

      6. This recommendation is partly agreed. We recognize the value of in-person, face-to-face delivery for relational, practice-based learning. However, evidence supports a mixed approach to delivery.

      - A mixed approach should already be standard practice. The issue is not about the delivery method, it’s about whether staff actually receive the training they need. What guarantees are in place to ensure that online components do not become a cost-cutting excuse that weakens professional development and that face-to-face training is not of limited use and poor quality?

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    2. 7. HMPPS will increase the number of Managers completing the SEEDS2 learning package from 66% to 90% completion.

      Stop over-relying on SEEDS. A single approach cannot solve deep-rooted cultural and leadership issues. Otherwise it’ll soon be that a third iteration —SEEDS3 — will be introduced, when it’s finally admitted SEEDS2 is insufficient as was SEEDS1. What else is being done beyond mandatory training checkboxes?

      8. The newly published national framework for Newly Qualified Officers (NQOs) expects Senior Probation Officers (SPOs) to include a 20% reduction in contracted time for all NQOs for an increased period of nine months.

      This sounds good in theory but in offices with severe staffing shortages, these reductions means nothing. When teams are already stretched beyond capacity (the solution is point 1 - better pay to recruit and retain staff), how will this be meaningfully implemented without overloading existing staff or leaving NQOs unsupported?

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    3. See the difference!

      Social worker’ is a protected title, so the routes to qualifying as a social work professional are regulated by the UK care regulators. It’s important to enrol on an ‘approved’ course.

      Qualifications and experience
      Social workers must have a degree in social work (BA), or master’s degree in social work. A master’s degree is a two-year-long postgraduate course for those with a degree in a different subject. Some universities offer part-time studying.

      Experience is an important part of social work qualifications. A work placement forms half of social work courses with academic learning focusing on legislation, ethics and theory. You’ll need some experience of social work or social care when applying to study. This can be paid, voluntary or placement work, or even life experience.

      Entry requirements

      Entry requirements differ from course to course. Generally, you’ll need a minimum of 240 UCAS points: five GCSEs grade A* to C, including English and Maths, and two A-levels.

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    4. Compared to a cqsw which required what. The hey day of thinking a po role was clever but not backed up by a proper qualification. The certification of a SW which is clearly protected as a higher graded profession. Your post makes it clear.

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    5. How to become a social worker

      You must be registered with Social Work England so you'll need to successfully complete an approved degree or postgraduate programme in social work. Courses take three or four years full time.

      https://www.socialworkengland.org.uk/registration/apply-for-registration/


      Apply to join the register

      When to apply

      You can apply to join the register when (both of the following):

      you have received official confirmation from your course provider that you have successfully completed your course
      your course provider has sent us their pass list (list of people who passed the course)

      We need the pass list to verify your qualification. We will not be able to progress your application until we have confirmation from your university that you have successfully passed your course.


      If you qualified as a social worker outside the UK

      Before you start your application, you may want to read more about the process and what you need to do, including:

      how to evidence your qualification
      English language requirements

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    6. Probation - To be eligible for the PQiP programme, you need to have a level 3 qualification (or higher). This is equivalent to qualifications like:

      A level
      access to higher education diploma
      advanced apprenticeship
      applied general
      AS level
      international Baccalaureate diploma
      level 3 award
      level 3 certificate
      level 3 diploma
      level 3 ESOL
      level 3 national certificate
      level 3 national diploma
      level 3 NVQ
      T Level
      tech level

      It doesn’t matter what subject your level 3 qualification is in. Find out more about level 3 qualifications (GOV.UK, opens in a new tab).

      We offer different learning programmes dependant on the level of qualification you hold. These range from 15 months for Graduates with a level 5 qualification to 27 months for our non graduate programme.


      Social Work - You'll usually need two or three A levels, along with five GCSEs (grades 4-9/A-C), including English and maths.

      Or you could have alternative qualifications, including:

      BTEC, HND or HNC
      relevant NVQ
      health- or social care-based access course
      equivalent Scottish or Irish qualifications

      To get onto a Masters course you normally need an honours degree. However, each institution sets its own entry requirements, so it’s important to check carefully.

      If you already have a degree in another subject, there are several routes for you to become a social worker:

      take a postgraduate qualification (Diploma or Masters) in social work. Courses take two years full time or up to six years part time.
      train through Step up to Social Work which takes 14 months and combines work and study
      apply for the Frontline 2-year programme combining study with supervised practical work in child protection
      apply for the 2-year Think Ahead fast-track scheme to become a mental health social worker. The scheme blends academic learning with extensive on-the-job experience.

      You will need to show that you have an understanding of social work and experience of working with clients. This can be from paid or voluntary work. Or it could be from your own life experience, for example, as a carer for a friend or relative.


      So, relevant knowledge & experience + a full-time graduate programme for social work...

      ... & probation? "It doesn’t matter what subject your level 3 qualification is in" & no mention of 'experience'

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    7. You pay to become a social worker.
      You get paid to become a probation officer.
      I wonder how many POs there would be in today's world if it was the other way around?

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    8. That makes the point clearer. The problem for probation it wants to be a social worker. Well it can't we have social workers as qualified. Probation is there to manage offending and this doesn't require a social worker oriented soft approach anymore probation has to change or be gone.

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    9. “You pay to become a social worker.
      You get paid to become a probation officer.”

      This is simply not true. There are a number of paid on-the-job social work training and employment schemes.

      And many do “pay” to be POs when they embark on that criminology degree or take modules on probation. The difference is that if they had instead picked BA Social Work they’d have been much better off in pay and prospects.

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    10. I really don't understand why people see a social work orientation as a 'soft' approach.
      Surely, being able to assist someone to obtain the basics required to prevent them from reoffending is the best way of managing offending?
      Unless I've missed something, the current approach of enforced compliance is a basket case.
      Every report from every region in the past few years have been a shameful indictment of that.
      The recall rates are disgustingly high and an utter shame on the service.
      The service is in a state of utter disrepair. That's not Graylings fault. That's not TRs fault. It's the model that is wrong. The whole current ethos is about playing whack-a-mole, and it should be about finding solutions.

      'Getafix

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    11. "Probation is there to manage offending"

      Pray tell what this means? Mass incarceration? Labelling theory?

      Criminal behaviour is now rife across all aspects of society: from law-makers & law enforcers through the wealthy, powerful & those deemed to be 'celebrity', to the lowly, humble citizen; from war crimes & human rights abuse to shoptheft.

      Perhaps we need to reassess what 'offending' is, how its been redefined by changes in the law & societal values/norms?

      And then reassess what the courts do.
      And what prison is for.
      And what the probation service is for.

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    12. Annon 16:49
      How many would choose to do a Pqip if it cost them £9200 a year?

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    13. Probably all those that pay more to do a criminology degree and masters.

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  11. So on point 1, sod all.

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  12. “Anyone seen the changes being made to RARR for standard recall?”

    I spent the day with my head in my hands trying to read it all. Surely there’s a way to issue “guidance” that fits on one page and doesn’t introduce a thousand new acronyms?

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  13. Grayling/Selous et al pre-empted the musk cleanout with TR:

    "Ian Lavery - There is the potential for 900 probation officers to be made compulsorily redundant within just three CRCs in the very near future. These are the people who stood by the Government at the time of the transitional period into privatisation. They should not be penalised; they should be praised. Will the Minister guarantee that these professionals receive full voluntary redundancy terms and will not be booted out? They provide a very valuable service in the role provided by these private companies on the cheap.

    Andrew Selous - I repeat what I said just now—we will make sure that the community rehabilitation companies comply with employment law as they are supposed to do. We closely monitor their performance in line with the contracts that they have signed."

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    1. https://www.theguardian.com/public-leaders-network/2016/feb/23/privatisation-probation-service-stressed-job-cuts

      "In February 2015, 8,600 professional, highly-skilled public sector jobs were privatised."

      *** By the end of 2015 over 1,000 probation jobs had been axed by the CRCs ***

      "Probation officers are well used to change. Once a specialism within social work, probation has become more and more aligned with the criminal justice system since the early 1990s."

      "Privatisation has also brought job cuts. Sodexo, which runs six of the 21 new rehabilitation companies, last year warned its staff to expect 30% job cuts..."

      One respondent to Kirton’s survey said:

      I feel that Sodexo have lied to me, have tried to cheat myself and colleagues out of redundancy packages and have created total uncertainty in many areas of my working and private life.

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    2. "Shgortly after Sodexo, in partnership with the charity NACRO (National Association for the Care and Rehabilitation of Offenders), signed six of the 21 CRC contracts, the French multinational announced 30 percent job cuts, at least 700 posts, to be implemented by May. The counties of Norfolk and Suffolk are expected to be the hardest hit, with the workforce slashed from 217 to 128. Cumbria would lose 123 jobs."

      2015: "an April 21 statement posted on the blog page of NAPO leader Ian Lawrence read, “NAPO’s position is that we do not believe the proposed job cuts are necessary or safe, but if some losses are unavoidable they must be on the terms agreed within the national agreements and replicated within the service level contracts.” In other words, the union will sanction job losses, as long as they are consulted and they go through the machinery set up by the union and management."

      https://www.unison.org.uk/content/uploads/2014/09/TowebProbation-News-PROB-05-20142.pdf

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    3. I think we have been here before. It must surely be well understood by now Napo opinions are damaging to membership interests. They agreed a redundancy agreement that should never have concede redundancy in a compulsory basis. The Napo mistakes were monumental and incredibly poor judgement by providing agreement to a redundancy policy that they themselves had not the intelligence to understand. Napo is a bit like a funded school for the dysfunctional and the useless. The head master has no interest in the day to day business. Notably spends work time booking cheap flights to spain. There is no team office or workplace anymore so what's to worry about no accountability. With that in mind any agreement will now go through.

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  14. “ The recall rates are disgustingly high and an utter shame on the service.”

    Getafix 16:59 Get off the bandwagon of blaming probation for recalls.

    PSS, SDS40, ECSL, lack of housing, poor access to services are all factors why people do not turn up to probation, go awol and are recalled.

    The shortsighted who can’t or won’t see the wider picture blame probation who are required to recall.

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    1. Recall rates are 'disgustingly high' but I agree that it's not just probation fault, as you pointed out it's housing, mental health etc etc. It's also the culture of blame, PO, pso's, SPO's, DM's etc everyone is terrified of having the next SFO and losing there job and possibly being vilified in the media. If the Government want less people in prison and fewer recalls they need to either indemnify, to a degree, staff, or take the decisions completely out of our hands and decide recalls purely via some sort of logarithm, computer says no/yes. The latest change to recall and the reset really muddies the water for who they can blame if, when an SFO's occurs. Although obviously they will instinctively look to see what the officer didn't do...

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    2. In support of getafix, he is blaming the probation service for the increasing rates of recall, not individual members of staff. The service itself, albeit sometimes at the political level, brought in SDS40, ECSL, PSS and the like...add to this the culture of fear, the focus on "risk management", the pressure to enforce, the repercussions staff face if "things go wrong" have led us all to consider recall as the first and best option to "protect the public" This isn't a probation service I recognise or want to work for anymore, and yet the senior leaders still can't understand why ever larger numbers of staff leave the organisation each year.

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    3. If you blame probation for recalls then you’re blaming the staff. It’s is the government that added a breach function to PSS and Fixed Term Recalls. It’s the government that decided ECSL and SDS40 releases for homeless prisoners. Nothing to do with the culture of risk management either. If a released prisoner misses a few appointments and cannot be contacted then we’re required to recall. A new stupid recall process does not fix the problem, it just creates more recalls for shorter periods. The smarter option would’ve been to remove enforcement from all sentences of under 12 months making supervision voluntary.

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    4. Recalls used to require an spo to agree. Nowadays recall is just a formality after a few missed appointments . It's all because we don't work with people any longer .

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    5. Recalls still require an SPO and ACO to agree.

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  15. A lot of people accepted the revised local employers offers of redundancy. The package Napo agreed was only if use to compulsory staff dismissal. Volunteers for exit could accept anything offered. There are many reasons for this . Some staff wanted to leave anyway and a deal made that a bonus. Many staff were not invested to long careers so easy inducement to go. When it came to compulsion to redundancy without redeployment adjusted reduced offers were advertised. The deals
    Came with it or leave innuendo. Threat of time limits also created pressure to sign up. All those that did would not get pensions early based on age and cost. This made it more likely for the younger staff to go. Those over a certain age needed compulsory measures to trigger pension but these were held back to undermine any other claims on the enhanced rate and most staff caved. The failure of Ian Lawrence here was that he had not been able to appreciate the employers alternative approaches to undermine contracts that had no adequate protections .he had failed to recognise employers were not bound to honour anything when large profits dominated over staff conditions. It just illustrated Napo had no credibility with employers of the private sector and would ignore union whiners.

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    1. Grayling side-stepped tupe by claiming the staff were merely being administratively relocated & that pre-existing terms & conditions applied to staff who were forcibly moved to CRC roles. When the CRCs flexed their financial muscles, pocketed the EVR cash handed to them & passed on a measly 40% of staff entitlement, the Govt (& their well-remunerated regional contract managers) failed to enforce compliance with the agreement.

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    2. Ouch your not a fan of Napo are you. I think it was members who agreed the transfer proposals and it was all those members who agreed the reductions in staffing. Was it not?

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    3. Its a familiar choreography to that once proposed by ms wallis back in 1999/2000; a heady swirling waltz of cloth-eared bullying & vainglorious over-ambition on the part of a few... and that fucks it up for everyone else.

      When everyone is aware of the big stick being wielded by the disruptive bully they tend to opt for one of three strategies - opportunist collaborator, long-suffering victim or angry resistor.

      And that ain't no way to run a tea dance.

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  16. NAPO rubbish as membership are docile and anti union why you think teachers and train drivers get what they want
    Collectivity

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    1. Napo is rubbish because its leaders are rubbish. Napo turned a blind eye to pay freezes, removal of essential car user allowance, intrusive vetting, the culture of bullying and racism, and so much more. Napo fought TR by baking a cake for Chris Grayling. It’s been downhill ever since.

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    2. What comes first active members or active union leaders? Surely unions started and are sustained by active members getting together to make their voices heard. I’d say both leaders and members have equal responsibility to do their bit. Let’s stop bashing and weakening our unions and scoring own goals and say instead what we are doing or planning do to actively support them. Personally I share Napo News with newer recruits explaining why it is important to think about the bigger picture and where probation sits in the scheme of things and try to instill some pride in them as probation professionals new entrants to a brilliant but currently embattled profession. The way some people carry on you would think they are simply youthful and naive canon fodder - they are not. Many do not know probation history but some want to learn and are our future. It is our responsibility not someone else’s to fight for our profession every day by showing others how truly professional and skilled we are.

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    3. From past events Napo have extinguished by attacking their own and any activist that tries to encourage proper action. Napo collude at the top and the Wannabees join in. There were a few glimmers of decency at an AGM once or twice but Napo is a lost cause under its current structure.

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    4. 09:54 you are hopeful but the Napo leadership has compromised himself by his incapacity to do the role required . Members have compromised themselves by maintaing the incumbent who competency is so critical flawed. Until he goes we cannot reform Napo. See it for what it's we have allowed this situation we are not led by intelligent unions strengths compromise pacification of members is all Napo provide.

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    5. 8:10 I do not understand your reply. It is the officer group who are the employers of the officials but the officials are responsible for managing themselves. To remove the general secretary could be done but the pay off to him would destroy the union. He is ready to milk the union dry and then retire. Most who are elected soon despair as the GS is virtually unassailable and will not cooperate with his removal and no one wants to take him on. You offer criticism but no solution. What is your solution?

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    6. So what you’re saying is the Napo union exec and all it’s union officials choose not to stand up to the General Secretary.

      So back to the point that if the union leadership is weak …

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    7. It is hard to find an organisation with any substantial support that speaks up for probation. Most cannot keep up with the pace of change. It says something that the only voices that are really listened to are the inspectorate and the national audit office. Previously strong voices are weak or muted. Potentially strong leaders have lost interest and are looking forward to retirement and doing something more meaningful in the face of overwhelming apathy.

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  17. an entertaining listen with some interesting observations

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0028bk1

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  18. Anyone know if they plan to extend the 1.5x overtime pay from the end of March?? My kids have become accustomed to eating 3 meals a day with the overtime supplementing my measly probation wage.

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    1. For what working from home. 36 hour Flexi week hour. Amazing annual leave allowance and a massive pension support.cicil service complainer leave come work in private sector you will have to work. Be on-time attend the office be dressed properly none your scruffy sandal shorts and t shirts attire. Honestly some people have no idea when your better off than most. Sick pay aswell. I despair.

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  19. The UK average pay for 2024 is roughly £37.5k per year. Band 3 make less than this. Are the Government saying their work in society is below average?

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    1. Band 4 starts below this, too.

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  20. uk's two-tier justice in action -

    1. a sustained attack of blows to the head after the victim is on the ground, then telling lies to the police

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce8yy0116y8o

    MP Mike Amesbury has had his 10-week prison sentence suspended following an appeal.

    "Addressing the MP before handing down the jail term, the magistrate said: "I have to say that I have seen a single punch to the head cause fatal injuries.. I note that you, Mr Amesbury, continued to punch Mr Fellows when he was on the ground and continued to shout at Mr Fellows. I consider this more culpable. You continued to attack when he was on the ground and it may have continued further had a bystander not intervened... cctv footage, which was played in court, showed Amesbury punching Mr Fellows in the head, knocking him to the ground. The politician then punched him at least five more times and swore at him... a pre-sentence report showed Amesbury's actions were the result of a "anger and loss of emotional control"...

    By contrast:

    2. the single punch

    "A man who punched a university graduate when he was drunk, causing him to crack his skull on a pavement on a street in Nottingham city centre, was jailed for nine years and on his release will have to serve a further five years on license.

    He was given an extended sentence by the judge, which means he will be subject to a licence period of five years when he is released from prison.

    The judge told Turton he could be released after serving two-thirds of the sentence, but only if the Parole Board thinks it is safe to do so.

    The 21-year-old was out in Nottingham city centre when he threw the punch after interfering in an argument with a complete stranger.

    Witnesses said the punch immediately knocked the victim unconscious, meaning he could not break his fall.

    He died 12 days later in hospital"

    So who would the parole board feel is safe to be on the streets?

    1. The angry man who is shouting at & punching his victim, even after he's knocked him to the floor, who then makes up a pack of victim-blaming lies to try & cover his tracks?

    Or:

    2. The angry man who throws a single punch & takes full responsibility at the first opportunity?

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    1. This is the problem with the UK "justice" system....we focus too much on harm caused, and the principle of "you take your victim as you find them", rather than actions that actually occurred, harm intended, or culpability. Added to this we focus on "risk factors" and "needs" rather than what the offence itself was....so those with more complex needs recieve harsher sentences. This occurs even at (and more commonly at) the lower end of the sentencing scale...two offenders commit exactly the same low level offence...the one with complex needs gets probation supervision, more RAR days, more services to engage with, tags to "monitor" them...another with no needs might get unpaid work or a fine for exactly the same offence....thus, in principle, those with social needs such as poverty, unemployment housing problems, etc get harsher sentences than those who don't...ultimately we subject the poor to more onerous sentences than the rich.

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    2. If nothing else the public have discovered that if you actually go out and repeatedly punch someone to the floor, you don't go to jail.

      However, if you write on Twitter that you want to do it.....

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  21. "The UK government is looking to Estelle prison for ideas... There's a scheme here they'd like to emulate, which gives inmates the chance to shorten their sentences by having a job while they're inside."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cr52399eqgqo

    They're squeezing out all those amazing new ideas...

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  22. https://rozenberg.substack.com/p/graylings-glittering-career

    In a speech yesterday about the probation service, the justice secretary Shabana Mahmood spoke sarcastically about the “glittering government career” of Lord Grayling, who was Conservative justice secretary from September 2012 to May 2015.

    In 2010, the axe of austerity swung. Ideology trumped evidence and probation suffered the consequences.

    The most devastating blow was dealt in 2014, when the service was split.

    Rosenburg: " I have quoted at length from Mahmood’s lecture because government officials now routinely remove what they regard as “political” content from ministerial speeches before they appear several hours later on departmental websites. That may be appropriate when ministers speak at party conferences and other purely political events. But if a minister speaks as a minister on a ministerial visit I believe the public should have access to an uncensored account of what that minister actually said — especially if the speech is open to broadcasters."

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  23. 5,283 FTE band 4 probation officers in post – an increase of 334 FTE (6.8%) since 31 December 2023 but a decrease of 153 FTE (2.8%) compared to 30 September 2024.
    5,316 FTE band 3 probation services officers: a decrease of 988 FTE (15.7%) since 31 December 2023 and a decrease of 270 FTE (4.8%) since 30 September 2024, caused by a lower number of trainee probation officers this year.

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  24. Its the new US tv franchise hosted by Donny & JD - "Bullying Live!... Before Your Very Eyes" with this week's guest victim, President Volodymyr Zelenskyy

    It will no doubt feel familiar to many who have tried to reason with the unreasonable:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/cdel2npwe50o

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    1. Well not everyone is pro spending billions on Ukraine or sending our troops over there for the atrocities they’ll face.

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  25. those little worker bees have been busy in the dark hive at hmpps:

    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/judicial-brochure-accredited-programmes

    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/judicial-brochure-electronic-monitoring

    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/judicial-brochure-commissioned-rehabilitative-services

    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/judicial-brochure-community-sentence-treatment-requirements

    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/judicial-brochure-approved-suite-of-probation-practitioner-toolkits

    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/judicial-brochure-unpaid-work


    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/delivering-the-best-for-girls-in-custody

    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-no-longer-places-girls-in-young-offender-institutions


    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/foreign-criminals-to-be-deported-quicker

    "The money [£5m] will fund the deployment of specialist frontline staff to 80 jails with one clear mission – speeding up the removal of prisoners who have no right to be in this country."

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  26. Yeah great, another 80 PO's removed from the field to help the prisons, I'm sooo glad community Probation is so well staffed we can keep moving them on and increase caseloads for the rest

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    1. You work for hmpps the clue is in the title and staff will work where they are required..

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    2. Odds are it'll be a team of jarhead border force & tornado staff... probation staff won't have a clue about 'cuffing, hooding & quietly relocating reluctant prisoners to foreign parts.

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    3. It is not a PO job .its a Prison band 4 non operational post to basically serve home office deportation paperwork and support people through the process. It s been a prison job for a while but not specifically resourced.

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    4. You could be right but it won't be long before they are. No demarcation any more.

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  27. Hi Jim,
    I notice that the blog tripped over to ten million plus views at some stage recently.
    Congratulations.
    Sorry I missed it at the time.

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    1. Blimey so it did! My enthusiasm has clearly worn off somewhat, along with my disdain for Virgin Media who have still not recovered my dedicated email account.

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  28. In my intray today, from an agency hirer...Hi Pearly,

    I hope you're well.

    I am currently on the look out for Probation Officer's - Remote working. Please see below for further details.

    HOURS: 37 hours per week
    DURATION: On-going contract
    PAY RATE: £28.05 PH
    LOCATION: Remote

    Probation Officer duties

    Undertake full range of offender management tasks
    Supporting colleagues who work face to face
    Carry out parole reports, PSR's and ISP's, PAROMS, Part B's/C's
    Carry out risk assessments and risk management.
    Must be a qualified or experienced Probation Officer

    ... call me old fashioned: well, I am: I still have Advise Assist Befriend etched into my DNA, and the proposition that "the full range of offender management tasks" can be performed without any contact whatsoever with the person in question is plain horrible. Not remotely tempted to stagger back out of retirement. Now, if the full range of probation officer tasks with the exception of pounding a keyboard, cutting and pasting, and box ticking, was on offer, that would be a whole different proposition.

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    1. That's great Pearly and especially as I head out the door to give a talk to a Probus branch. All fired up now!

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    2. The very sad thing is, although correct me if I'm wrong, the vast majority of parole and part a/b already take place remotely, even if allocated to an officer working for the probation service? It denigrates the whole purpose of the role.....supposedly we are "experts" in assessing risk, and formulating parole reports....on the basis of one 45 minute video link!! It completely undermines our integrity and purpose....another reason in my view why so many officers leave the service....as the whole exercise has become pointless and meaningless, mandated by senior managers in head office. Amy/phil/Kim...its not PAM assist and wellbeing services we need, it's not mandatory e learning....its the ability to actually do the job, which you don't equip us to do!

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    3. Talking of getting fired-up, here's something to read on your return home...

      https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1lpjqg2mp5o

      Chancellor set to cut welfare spending by billions

      Us... and them.

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  29. Alexei Sayle's Imaginary Sandwich Bar bbcr4

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0028kwg

    always worth a listen.

    In other news:

    *** When asked how fascism starts, Bertrand Russell replied: "First they fascinate the fools. Then they muzzle the intelligent." ***

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