Thanks for letting me know of Harry Fletcher’s death last week. I am truly sorry that a great champion of the probation service is now no longer with us.
I have just read about the latest news reports of the scathing coroner’s inquest into the Welsh SFO just reported in the national press. After reading the comments about it in your blog, there is something that struck me.
I trained through the DipSW route in the late 1980s sponsored by the Home Office. We probation office trainees were glad to be entering a profession with a proud tradition. Our social work student counterparts were envious of our higher salary and status, self-delusional on our part I know! In turn, as we became main grade officers, we tut-tutted as we read about the endless child care catastrophes like Baby P and Victoria Climbie and consoled ourselves with the thought that at least we were not in a mess like the social work profession.
Unlike social workers, we had a strong union, not like the supine and ineffectual BASW. We, in the probation service, had practitioners who were leading lights in respected psycho-therapeutic organisations like the Portman Clinic. We were unaffected by political vicissitudes (more or less), unlike local authority social workers who were always at the mercy of venal local politicians.
How times have changed. Since I retired last year there have been 3 probation debacles reported. TR has been disastrous as you have documented in your blog since 2014. I have no faith that joining CRC staff to HMPPS will improve things. Whilst control of the probation service remains under the thumb of central government, much of the creativity and enterprise of probation officers will continue to be strangled. In contrast, if I was to train now on a DipSW I would not hesitate to practice as a social worker, despite the multiple problems they face like most public sector workers.
Just like the prison service, the probation service has been hollowed out of highly experienced staff. It will take 10-20 years to build up that workforce expertise. Just recruiting and having no staff vacancies will not address the long-standing structural problems.
I came into probation via a science degree. Would I have been accepted as an entrant to the service now? Maybe, but concentrating on graduates from one sector, criminology and psychology, is the antithesis of diversity. We are more than just applied criminologists and psychologists. We draw on many disciplines and rely on practitioners who have varied and rich life experiences. This is what makes us, at our best, always hopeful in looking for change in service users no matter how long or problematic their criminal history. But always tempered by the realism that we are all but flesh and blood.
How times have changed. Since I retired last year there have been 3 probation debacles reported. TR has been disastrous as you have documented in your blog since 2014. I have no faith that joining CRC staff to HMPPS will improve things. Whilst control of the probation service remains under the thumb of central government, much of the creativity and enterprise of probation officers will continue to be strangled. In contrast, if I was to train now on a DipSW I would not hesitate to practice as a social worker, despite the multiple problems they face like most public sector workers.
Just like the prison service, the probation service has been hollowed out of highly experienced staff. It will take 10-20 years to build up that workforce expertise. Just recruiting and having no staff vacancies will not address the long-standing structural problems.
I came into probation via a science degree. Would I have been accepted as an entrant to the service now? Maybe, but concentrating on graduates from one sector, criminology and psychology, is the antithesis of diversity. We are more than just applied criminologists and psychologists. We draw on many disciplines and rely on practitioners who have varied and rich life experiences. This is what makes us, at our best, always hopeful in looking for change in service users no matter how long or problematic their criminal history. But always tempered by the realism that we are all but flesh and blood.
I have always been impressed by the humanity shown by my most respected colleagues in treating everyone with dignity and respect yet being vigilant for signs of a relapse or disguised compliance. This is a difficult balancing act and necessitates extended training (15 months is totally inadequate), excellent supervision (haven’t had that for decades!) and a passion for wanting to turn lives around and help society to have fewer victims in future. This all sounds very quaint and unrealistic like watching the TV show The Waltons but compared with the clusterfuck that has unfolded since November and since 2014 with Graying’s butchery, I will continue to cling onto my vision (dreams?) for a better future in the probation service.
You are free to reproduce any of my meanderings but please bear in mind I aim to work agency and will require a reference from my CRC previous employer.
You are free to reproduce any of my meanderings but please bear in mind I aim to work agency and will require a reference from my CRC previous employer.
Best wishes,
Anon
A tad rose-tinted. Let’s not pretend ‘probation’ didn’t have issues as Trusts, Areas, the Aftercare Service and whatever came before. Clearly you’ve been practicing for over 30 years (in the same job!?), well done (not!). Rather than adding to the dead-weight of agency PO’s currently milking and propping up CRC’s, perhaps it’s time to hang up your sandals and retire.
ReplyDelete.... and stay retired !!
DeleteAnon at 10:54 and 11:03... You can always rely on a Troll for a considered, thoughtful response...
DeleteI read it I am not a troll and regularly read this blog. It is a poor commentary and it is not all about being a PO for those in work many have great initiatives. Credit taking and self aggrandising of status and self belief have all been the ego centric implosion of PO role.
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Our old friend David Fraser!
DeleteTwo probation officers disagreed over the effectiveness rehabilitation for first-time offenders.
Violent offenders, burglars and thieves are being allowed to escape prosecution if they agree to rehabilitation as part of a “deferred” charge scheme that may be extended nationwide. Two probation officers disagreed on whether it would be successful.
Bob Turney, a probation officer, argued that the move is a "way forward". He said that he works with a charity who try and get criminals "back into society".
David Fraser, a senior probation officer, disagreed: "I have been researching these kinds of alternatives to court action and imprisonment and so forth for 38 years and none of the schemes have ever worked. So my first question is, why should this one?"
He explained: "First time offenders were, who were dealt with more firmly than others, were actually deferred from committing more crime at a greater rate."
Fraser added: "Every government scheme that has been tried to avoid people going to court or avoid going to prison has failed and so there is no real reason to think why this one should succeed."
Turney asked Fraser to explain what the schemes are and why they'd failed. He then said: "Restoratitive justice you're talking about is very, very successful and what it does, it gives closure to the victim and also the offender is confronted with what they've done."
Fraser referred to this as "hollow" and with "no meaning".
One thing that always puzzles me about probation is why former offenders aren't recruited more to work in the field. They have first hand knowledge of the system and how it works which so many of those with big shiny degrees don't have. And after their licence has expired or after so long with no further convictions there shouldn't be any issues in passing checks. Plus they will be able to develop better relationships with those under their supervision because they will be more trusted and will more likely know when they are being fed a load of bullshit or that there are worrying signs that could lead to major issues.
ReplyDeleteMay interest you Annon @ 13:07
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From November 2019:-
DeleteConvicted criminals are being hired as prison officers.
More than 200 are now working at jails in the UK, a Sunday Mirror investigation reveals. It has sparked fears gangs could use the shock move to sell drugs to inmates. The Prison Officers’ Association has demanded an inquiry into the findings.
The Government is being blamed for letting standards drop in a bid to recruit thousands more officers. Freedom of Information figures show 158 ex-offenders are employed by the Prison Service with a further 46 at private jails. Their convictions are understood to include drug offences and affray.
POA chairman Mark Fairhurst said: “This needs to be fully investigated. It could clearly conflict with the nature of the job. We are worried about organised criminals infiltrating the service to smuggle contraband. Five or 10 years ago, most applicants with records would have been turned down flat. Now, with the Government panicking about critical staffing levels, they are being welcomed with open arms.”
In 2016, then Justice Secretary Liz Truss unveiled a white paper pledging 2,500 extra officers. The Government now brags it has recruited more than 3,000.
But critics point to high drop-out rates. We found 928 quit in the year to September. And 2,230 have quit in the past five years after less than 12 months in the job. The cost of wasted training was £25.6million.
A Prison Service spokesman said: “Reformed ex-offenders bring valuable skills and experience to rehabilitation roles. All applicants undergo rigorous checks”
This type of reporting prevents those with convictions, who’d do a great job, from getting the job. Some of the most corrupt people, including those working in prisons, do not have criminal convictions.
DeleteI've a slew of convictions from my teens, including time in custody.
DeleteNearly 20 years as a PO now.
I'm not a "better" PO than my colleagues but I can genuinelyempathise with the people I work with and understand how Adverse Childhood Experiences lead to the commission of crime.
And you had no issues with recent vetting?
DeleteTo Anon 13:07. I’m what you’d label a ‘former offender’. Just under 2 years in the DC / borstal estate as a youth. Both as a remand and convicted prisoner on separate occasions. A brutal ‘watch your back’ , ‘dog eat dog’, ‘prey on the weak’ and ‘survival of the fittest’ type situation. I did okay mostly, but absolutely no rehabilitation and I was categorised “too smart” for education programmes. After discharge as a very volatile and guarded young person, all I had achieved was to become an expert on the wings at snooker and table tennis. It was a very bizarre feeling after time away, back to the old life, with new criminally entrepreneurial ideas and even less job prospects.
ReplyDeletePrison wasn’t all bad as it did I still a lifelong resilience and toughness. Although I aimed to ‘go straight’ it wasn’t long until I had been stabbed, shot at and was on the verge of further downfall. At that young teenage I believed this was everyone else’s fault, but karma went my way and I ended up in university and gained a ‘shiny degree’ while swallowing my pride earning a living in really basic jobs. A few of my lecturers were former probation officers, and a few more gritty jobs later, I took the inspiration I gained from my professors and trained as a probation officer. It wasn’t easy, I was turned down at first application, and the criminal record has always had to be explained and a closely guarded secret.
I’m ever grateful to my first probation interviewers I disclosed to in interview who deviated from the script to acknowledge me as a person and the probation employers that gave me a chance. I do not think these chances happen now, and I know of only few others like me. It brings tears to my eyes to write this, I’ve had a long and varied career in probation and justice agencies, and have helped hundreds of offenders and staffs alike. On the other hand I’ll never be fully comfortable visiting prisons, I’ll never fully trust the police and there are some jobs and roles I’ll never get no matter how competant I am. My experiences both before and in probation helped me build relationships, understand ‘what works’ and cut through the offender bullshit, academic hot air and probation bureaucracy.
Sadly probation has no facility to harness what me and people like me offer. The academics write about social responsibility but this doesn’t exist and despite our aims and values, probation is no longer about helping and rewarding change.
Btw I am the Anon troll 10:54 and 11:03.
Anon 15:24 Thanks for that powerful contribution, not easy to write, but I know will resonate with many readers. For me, it absolutely underlines why 'deviating from the script' should always have a place in probation.
DeleteI hope you might be tempted to say a bit more, if you feel comfortable doing so of course. A guest blog perhaps?
Anyway, thanks again for pointing out that 'probation' has historically always been a broad church and accepting of people from a wide range of backgrounds and experience.
Cheers,
Jim
Similar experience, i.e. recruited by an inspirational PO as part of an experimental project, progressed into a variety of associated paid roles, then later accepted for sponsored Probation training - with previous convictions.
DeleteIt was not easy persuading 'suits with attitude' & I had to lodge a formal complaint about one of the interviewers from 'the centre' which resulted in the panel striking out his prejudicial comments & offering me a place. But my card was marked from that day forwards and it was made clear by a subsequent employer that no meteoric rise was ever going to available to me. The old chums network has a long memory & an even longer scope of influence. It isn't just HMPPS that hold grudges.
Particularly over the later years of my PO career I came across similarly narrow-minded, jaundiced prejudice from several senior managers. They were generally incompetent but 'in favour' & have since scurried up the sleazy pole like hungry ferrets, embracing the 'new world' of NPS/CRCs, always seeming to pop-up wherever there's the stench of cash. Some have received handsome pay-offs, some are still milking the merry-go-round.
I am retired from Probation after 25 years & nothing will tempt me back.
Sorry to hear that but thanks for sharing - I personally know colleagues who had 'form' of various kinds before qualifying and it's probably more common than realised - well historically at least. No idea about current attitudes and possibilities.
DeleteThanks Jim, I was your Guest Blog 26 - Advise, Assist and Befriend. It seems a distant read now, so much change over the past few years. When I write my memoirs I’ll provide you a summary guest blog.
DeleteAnon 16:55. Sorry to hear that too. This is why many with past convictions keep schtum. Once upon a time an ACO gave me the ‘advice’ “your probation colleagues are not ready to hear your story”. She had a past conviction too and was “disappointed” that academics and justice organisations were falling over themselves to contract lifers they’d spoon-fed to complete PHD’s and wheel out ‘reformed offenders’ that’d tell gory tales of crime and punishment, but probation and legal professions refused to promote those that had self-reformed, become qualified professionals and then reformed countless others.
Cheers
Wow - that's a brilliant read! It so resonates with my own journey from 1985. We need to meet for a drink sometime! For those interested, here it is:-
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Resonates with me too. I left the service due to ill health, disability but was a P.O for 16 years. When the split happened I had a harrowing time with vetting procedures. Turned down, appealed, turned down. Relates to offences that took place 20 years ago. I too had been open about my background when I was recruited as a trainee. I hated the way the service was changing, the watering down of qualifications and the lack of diversity in recruitment. It definetly contributed to my declining ill health. Saying that I haven't looked back but am saddened when I hear of old colleague's who remain in the service and are currently facing similar experiences and treatment.
DeleteSad to hear this. It’s criminal that probation are allowed to penalise employees in this way. Firstly, vetting is a police method that should not apply to probation. Secondly, they should not be able to force employees out of roles for historic matters that have already been disclosed many years ago.
Delete... and then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
To Anon 13:07
ReplyDeleteWhy are more EX-SU’s not recruited to probation? This answer can be broken down into two parts, Police systems/vetting and political/society requirements.
Probation will soon be contributing to a Police computer system and this requires near police officer vetting. Things like your past offences, your last 6-10-year finances, checks on your mother, father, stepfamily, your brother, sister, partner, ex-partner. They also ask if you know anyone with a criminal offence, for example friend or sister’s boyfriend etc. If the police are not convinced that you are at their standards then they will simply reject you, which will mean you can’t work in the community. I believe that as a result probation are now or soon will be rejecting new recruits on these grounds.
On the job itself I’m not sure the ex SU’s you imply would cope with how probation is now, I shall explain. Contemporary society’s attitude in relation to crime are more draconian now than at any time since the 1950’’s or early 60’s, society is becoming more hang ’em high and flog ‘em publicly brigade. Probation is now more politically managed. The ex-SU’s that you speak off would be PO’s and PSO’s with no say over the running of the service or it’s ideology. A SU has an issue, the PO writes 48 pages on risk posed and reduction using control, 2 pages on support. Housing for SU’s in the South East/London nearly none, Drug Services cut to minimum support, ETE: here’s some course names. PO’s/PSO’s spend 70% of their time at a disk documenting. Probation say that PO’s/PSO’s are experts in “Risk” assessing and management. A SU commits a Serious Offence, questions: What checks did you do? What programmes did you put him on regardless? what warnings did you give or why didn’t you look at recall? That’s what flog ‘em Joe Public wants, that’s what politicians want and so that’s what Probation must do as that’s its funding stream, its promotions and how people keep their jobs.
Does it work? Well that depends on how “you” measure it, it must work for some influential people or it wouldn’t continue like this and it’s not going back to the philosophy of the 1980’s this generation.
Anons 15:24, 16:55 and 18:09 show that we do employ ‘ex-offenders’, but this must be diminishing with increasing restrictions and vetting upon probation professionals. In the UK there are many speakers, academics and professors lauded for their expertise and insight due to ‘lived experiences’, David Honeywell, Jason Warr and Erwin James to name a few. We never hear about probation officers with similar backgrounds even though they are reforming offenders rather than merely talking about it. In fact, we are subliminally influenced not to mention they exist and what they bring to probation and the CJS.
DeleteSquare peg in a round hole.
ReplyDelete15.24 and others like myself appear to write a fair bit on here. Back in the 1990's I was given the opportunity to become a PSO within my local trust. I was proud of what I had achieved, however, within my dark past was a criminal history. Of course it didn't take long for it to be known, and I knew lots of Probation staff were waiting for me to fail and then gloat and say 'we told you so'. Well I didn't.
I had to work 10x harder than most and refused to be sidelined because of my past, but honestly, I never did fit in. Even when I qualified as a PO there were the doubters who contested how this 'misfit' could become 'one of them'. What I can say though, is that I had 20 plus years of a job I loved, the clients were my joy and the staff were my friends.Once I stopped caring about what staff thought of me and my unusual practise, I was in my element with the clients. I was able to see a blagger in seconds and knew how to develop professional relationships, based on trust. Sadly I left, partly to do with the crumbling of a service that served me so well, but also due to a calling I couldn't refuse. So the moral of the story is, employ more square pegs like myself, because the benefits outweigh some obnoxious staff and policies preventing staff with the know how to come into a service that needs them.
Well done you got past the selfish snobbery of every incompetent and secret snide fascist attitudes of the PO structure. All of them without much fail hold elitist self determine entitlement that pervades into every corner. Discriminatory behaviour is their hidden love of only what we can approve gets on. They hate the idea of bright intelligent streetwise practioner doing the job they just cant from the gloss of text book life. Study is no substitute for real life experiences the blond ambitions of the dizzy 20 something female brigade wont last as they get stalked or harassed and leave in droves. All said it is not an employye based organisation that respects nor reflects it communities unless your middle class well spoken to a large degree and well in on that career path that say you are a person like them not like you and your better off without their endorsement. PO snob Tossers.
DeleteHave any ex SUs now POs failed NPS vetting? If so what was the result?
ReplyDeleteAsking for a friend in CRC... :/
Yes many have failed NPS vetting.
DeleteNobody knows exactly how many.
Each division has their own record.
The numbers are expected to rise when CRC are vetted.
Napo do not help.
Anon 10:24 just because a probation colleague has a past conviction(s) this does not mean they are an “ex service user”. You are quite thick to even make this comparison. Most I know of with past convictions were either passed as a child and not involving probation, or very minor penalties.
DeleteVetting is mainly looking at recent discretions whilst an employee in probation such as convictions, financial problems and questionable family and social associations.
Anon 11:16 "You are quite thick" - is it really necessary to be so obnoxious?
DeleteVetting does not look at recent discretions as stated. Wholly inaccurate... mine dated back 20 years.
DeleteWe’re all stuffed then! I’m told Napo and unions don’t help either when it comes to vetting.
DeleteSometimes POs become service users too.
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A probation officer has been accused in court of misconduct while she worked at Whatton Prison.
DeleteSian Burnett faced city magistrates and was told that the charge could only be handled at a crown court. The 37-year-old was granted unconditional bail to appear at Nottingham Crown Court on February 13. Burnett was represented by solicitor Jenny Gerrard.
The full charge reads that "between January 1 and April 24 last year at HM Prison Whatton, while acting as a public officer, namely a probation officer, wilfully and without reasonable excuse or justification misconducted herself in a way which amounted to an abuse of public trust in the office by deliberately misrepresenting the conduct in prison and suitability for release on parole of Matthew Wood."
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Whatton is a prison in Nottingham for men convicted of a sex offence.
Maybe this is the Matthew Wood - to be up for parole he would have needed to have spent a significant amount of time remanded in custody pre sentence, I would imagine.
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