tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post9137013501313933367..comments2024-03-29T06:40:58.606+00:00Comments on On Probation Blog: Tagging SpecialJim Brownhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00258147767051200157noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-39608700775708379112014-07-19T07:15:15.694+01:002014-07-19T07:15:15.694+01:00Yes I don't know a single maternity leave retu...Yes I don't know a single maternity leave returner who got NPS in my trust. All CRC. Even ones doing court and MAPPA cases.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-57466557604352624712014-07-19T06:42:06.445+01:002014-07-19T06:42:06.445+01:00Absolutely. Grayling may believe that some are mor...Absolutely. Grayling may believe that some are more equal than others but we must not get sucked into that small minded way of thinking.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-89324191282486162052014-07-19T06:34:37.223+01:002014-07-19T06:34:37.223+01:00I would not have rejected your breach and have nev...I would not have rejected your breach and have never in long servicecome across or used such a feeble excuse for not proceeding with a wholly appropriate course of action in timely manner with view to enforcing order of the court and protecting knien victim. I agree with everything your have said, I empathise with your anger and frustration that your work has been obstructed by nonsensical decision making leading to as you rightly say, potentially avoidable harm...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-36508992364857063262014-07-19T00:50:39.125+01:002014-07-19T00:50:39.125+01:00Grayling has forced the split of probation. Please...Grayling has forced the split of probation. Please not let us argue with our colleagues. The government has divided us but if we want to we can stick together. I am with nps but I have never felt better than my colleagues in crc. The majority of us were not allowed to choose. We must be better than this. Strength and courage to us all. concerned colleaguehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06724389219301576752noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-8561803698372648232014-07-18T23:28:18.119+01:002014-07-18T23:28:18.119+01:00Talk about discrimination, we have staff members w...Talk about discrimination, we have staff members who had low caseloads at time of split because of recovering from operation, recently diagnosed with serious illness, or returned from maternity leave. Yes they could have appealed and yes they would have won but they didn't, each for their own individual reasons. My point is that Trusts knew this discrimination was going on and did nothing to stop it. Fucking disgrace. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-85868085824541381182014-07-18T23:08:01.837+01:002014-07-18T23:08:01.837+01:00Someone should take Grayling to court for the way ...Someone should take Grayling to court for the way they he has discriminated against CRC staff. And why are NPS staff treating CRC PO's in this way, we are the same colleagues that they worked with and are still doing so. How dare they assume themselves better. Fuck I am a civil servant and secrets acts its a load of bull to inflate their egos and play into Graylings TR, more fool them for buying into it. Wait till the 50 thousand extra parole reports come in I suppose we will be good enough to help them out then.<br /><br />I am sure there must be a case for discrimination all the shtye about CRC can't apply and them just giving jobs out willy nilly to staff from abroad, newly qualified staff and agency staff. I thought all jobs had to be advertised and everyone given a level playing field. Also CRC staff should not have to apply for their own jobs. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-10848718649018905422014-07-18T22:49:37.043+01:002014-07-18T22:49:37.043+01:00"Breaches rejected by CRC" - meant to sa..."Breaches rejected by CRC" - meant to say 'breaches done by CRC & rejected by NPS'. <br /><br />That's how much pissed off I am.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-4287442473845787512014-07-18T22:34:50.044+01:002014-07-18T22:34:50.044+01:00Breaches rejected by CRC which then leads to furth...Breaches rejected by CRC which then leads to further delay increases risk. Recent case were DV client was breached on grounds that he failed to attend his appointment. Enforcement action was timely. Order was returned to court but because a home visit was not conducted a decision was taken to withdraw the breach, few days before his Court appearance. A home visit was conducted where he lived alone in his flat. There was no response. A further appointment was offered and when he failed to attend a fresh set of breach papers prepared and sent into court. By now there has been a delay of several weeks before he last attended the office. Before the next court hearing the offender stabbed his partner and charged with section 18 wounding. This could well have been an SFO case. Guess who would have been conveniently blamed, not the fucking senior managers who are implementing this pile of shit system. Not the breach officers in court, who is being instructed to carry out their work by the fucking manager. The blame was squarely put on the CRC PO. Why, because one fucking home visit was not done. We could have protected this victim if the breach was allowed to continue, given that his index offence was DV. Maybe his court appearance at breach court could have shaken him up and he realises that he needs to get his act together. Maybe he might not have attended court at all in which case a warrant would have been issued and the police would have been looking for him. Is anyone going to tell the victim that maybe if we prosecuted him at the first point this could have been avoided. No. The fact is that our actions failed this women and as a consequence she was subject to a serious assault which almost cost her life. How can management sleep knowing that TR is increasing risk? They can because they don’t give a shit about you or me. They don’t give a shit about the victims. The only thing they care about is their own sense of power and covering their own backs. That’s the fucking reality of what we have to work in. <br /><br />I don’t apologies one single bit if my language is offensive and I have caused offence. I am offended by TR and offended by the way the procedures are failing victims. <br /><br />And if you asking why I'm anonymous, then fucking guess why... in case I get bullied for exposing the dangerous practices which are occurring in the name of TR. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-71839982749092046622014-07-18T22:28:40.434+01:002014-07-18T22:28:40.434+01:00NPS jobs are widely available on NOMS system ( i ...NPS jobs are widely available on NOMS system ( i grasp (!)) , only available to other NPS people although CRC can apply but only for a secondment!!<br />Agreed Framework recently added to EPIC for CRC/NPS <br />secondments (agreed by NNC).<br />It seems only NPS can only apply for other posts (NOMS/MOJ/Civil Service) as secondees, not permanently which gives the lie to the Civil Service position - second rate in so many ways and discriminated against. Please, I don't want to create any division - for information only.....<br /><br />On another matter , I understand the contract of the departing chiefs of Trusts will finish at this month end .....wonder if we will get anything from inside the tent ?<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-72626434315218870612014-07-18T22:14:30.209+01:002014-07-18T22:14:30.209+01:00Totally agree. I think any po vacancies in s shoul...Totally agree. I think any po vacancies in s should be ting fenced to Crc po staff. I am advised vacancies have to be opened up to civil service but...prison officers jobs are ring fenced because of skills set so why not po?...Anonymous24https://www.blogger.com/profile/01551265473602093722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-4583182707470129052014-07-18T22:09:42.775+01:002014-07-18T22:09:42.775+01:00Can't access that link. Is there's somethi...Can't access that link. Is there's something personal between you two??Anonymous24https://www.blogger.com/profile/01551265473602093722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-53968170288648102152014-07-18T21:59:43.120+01:002014-07-18T21:59:43.120+01:00Refusing to discuss a rejected breach is taking ev...Refusing to discuss a rejected breach is taking even this insanity a step too far. Raise it as an issue. As an NPS court officer I would be furious If I worked with that kind of attitude around me and would not tolerate it. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-38546367628267952242014-07-18T21:43:16.893+01:002014-07-18T21:43:16.893+01:00Totally agree, breaches rejected by NPS staff who ...Totally agree, breaches rejected by NPS staff who then refuse to discuss because you are CRC staff. Made to feel like second class Probation Officers who are no longer capable of doing their job! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-9244240176644600652014-07-18T21:24:17.575+01:002014-07-18T21:24:17.575+01:00More demoralising of the experienced CRC staff, to...More demoralising of the experienced CRC staff, today at our office 2 newly qualified officers got contracts with NPS, one has had 2 previous interviews and didn't get through and the other has been on the trainee course twice. We didn't even know that there was any vacancies, so much for the "most experienced staff going to NPS", they now have newly qualified staff that have never held a high risk case load. Its absolutely disgusting how CRC staff are continuing to be made to feel. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-57905572726231862452014-07-18T21:20:36.670+01:002014-07-18T21:20:36.670+01:00There's been a few - but this is the latest:-
...There's been a few - but this is the latest:-<br /><br />http://probationmatters.blogspot.co.uk/2014/07/napo-radio-silence.htmlJim Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00258147767051200157noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-88761640355490207532014-07-18T21:10:04.131+01:002014-07-18T21:10:04.131+01:00Why would Ian Lawrence want to see you drummed out...Why would Ian Lawrence want to see you drummed out of the union ? What's the post your responding to got to do with Ian Lawrence.?. Strange ........Anonymous24https://www.blogger.com/profile/01551265473602093722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-8953165433539601882014-07-18T19:38:33.519+01:002014-07-18T19:38:33.519+01:00Bring it on - lets have a big row!Bring it on - lets have a big row!Jim Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00258147767051200157noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-19763490519595383502014-07-18T19:24:03.590+01:002014-07-18T19:24:03.590+01:00but what about MOJ? I can not see them tolerating ...but what about MOJ? I can not see them tolerating this much longer can you? Especially NPS staff and the Official Secrets Act...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-68633815254058345982014-07-18T18:38:14.316+01:002014-07-18T18:38:14.316+01:00I have posted that on the 'Know the Danger'...I have posted that on the 'Know the Danger' Facebook page, I expect some of their readers will have info as well.<br /><br />https://www.facebook.com/Knowthedangeruk/posts/10152252693541527<br /><br />Also I have read Pat Waterman was re-elected Napo Greater London Branch Chair this afternoon.<br /><br />One Tweeter estimated about an attendance of 120 out of a possible 1300(approximately) Ian Lawrence spoke - so hopefully there will be some feedback in the coming days<br />Andrew_S_Hattonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09115192522317353139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-77930919128011471512014-07-18T18:17:46.591+01:002014-07-18T18:17:46.591+01:00Off topic but we were told today that London priso...Off topic but we were told today that London prisons are locking out so prisoners from courts will be sent down the line to any local with spaces even though they are already bursting at the seams. Staff are being sent on detached duty round the country leaving their own prisons even more understaffed than they already are. Former staff are being approached as reserves and there is talk of reopening prisons recently closed down. Prisons are like probation, invisible to most people which is why there isn't the outcry at the shameful incompetence and waste of money of this arrogant government who are determined to destroy every public service they can. <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-73309507610236792332014-07-18T14:39:38.010+01:002014-07-18T14:39:38.010+01:00I'm sure Ian Lawrence would love to see it clo...I'm sure Ian Lawrence would love to see it closed down and me drummed out of the union. Quite ironic that, don't you think?Jim Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00258147767051200157noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-18490992549949747152014-07-18T12:12:13.998+01:002014-07-18T12:12:13.998+01:00Jim,
This blog is hitting the mark now day after d...Jim,<br />This blog is hitting the mark now day after day. As you say, if nothing else it is a record of the absolute mess Grayling is responsible for. Has there been any attempt to close you down or undermine you? I'm just curious because I'm thinking how long can the people responsible for this shambles just ignore the effects of their actions on the service we are supposed to be providing?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-29564859556926622342014-07-18T08:02:04.108+01:002014-07-18T08:02:04.108+01:00Whether you can use it as evidence or not is uncle...Whether you can use it as evidence or not is unclear. I know of a case i managed being charged with a nasty criminal damage (probably should have been threatening behaviour too). The original idea was to focus resources to gather other evidence and to actually remove people from investigations. <br /><br />I am not surprised they have backed off under 12 month stuff. Like pbr it was only ever a trojan horse to facilitate privatisation. They really are a tawdry bunch this govt. Garethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16448521101087639084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-89951268635719587352014-07-18T07:22:58.526+01:002014-07-18T07:22:58.526+01:00In our iom team we have been told time and time ag...In our iom team we have been told time and time again that we can't use data from trackers as evidence in court or evidence for breach of licence. I think precisely because it's not accurate enough. Why are the government spending so much money on something that just isn't that good yet whilst getting rid of what we know works well? I said at the beginning of all this that probation didn't listen when MOJ tried to make us propose more curfews. So they changed legislation to make sure every community sentence had an element of punishment but we still didn't propose more curfews. So they gave us training on cost effectiveness of orders proposed and told us that curfews were at no cost to Probation Trusts so we should use them, but we didn't. So they got rid of Trusts and will (I assume) now find a way of making sure people have tags or trackers. Why? I would have thought it would have been their private company mates pulling the strings but not long ago Buddi pulled out saying what MOJ want can't be done. G4S are no longer monitoring curfews so who is pulling the strings and why? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com