tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post8977732444684708795..comments2024-03-29T13:05:24.150+00:00Comments on On Probation Blog: Bidders Take FrightJim Brownhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00258147767051200157noreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-91693274417985003092014-11-09T09:27:11.933+00:002014-11-09T09:27:11.933+00:00Apologies if this has already been asked and answe...Apologies if this has already been asked and answered, but what's the implication of Geo's withdrawal for delivery of services in Warwickshire and West Mercia?<br /><br />Working on the assumption that the bid from Geo Travelling Wilburys, or whatever it was, was the best in terms of provision and value for money (a big assumption, but got to start somewhere) then is it fair to say that EOS was rejected because it was worse on at least one of those criteria? In which case, shouldn't the good people of the West Midlands be warned that they're going to get a second rate service?<br /><br />A fair question, I think; after all, I may be a feckless and lazy public servant who can't be trusted to do anything innovative because I don't understand the profit motive - but I'm also a hardworking taxpayer.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-3044522077702187682014-11-09T09:19:37.487+00:002014-11-09T09:19:37.487+00:00"Any form of supervision" can include be..."Any form of supervision" can include being in prison up to SED after a recall.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-17249502901699611972014-11-09T07:03:47.960+00:002014-11-09T07:03:47.960+00:00Amazing the moral outrage over seeking to sell cer...Amazing the moral outrage over seeking to sell ceramic poppies on ebay. Is this the end of neoliberalism? But no such outrage over selling public services and justice to the markets. There is nothing wrong is moral limits but the bar is set by whom?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-63375802978642789082014-11-09T02:43:03.333+00:002014-11-09T02:43:03.333+00:00can't go to bed without commenting on that bri...can't go to bed without commenting on that brilliant piece of inspirational creativity on you tube 'failing grayling', discovered after I took a peek at NAPO blog, with Ian's update.' 'Failing Grayling' had me in tears, wishing I was back there, for the camaraderie alone! Awesome! I will never be able to hear the Proclaimers again without thinking of Probation! Go for it, every one of you out there - this is the fight of your lives! And now I've got to try to get to sleep!MLnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-19403773824153890022014-11-08T23:24:47.228+00:002014-11-08T23:24:47.228+00:00Hmmm... that suggests that a SFO is not required i...Hmmm... that suggests that a SFO is not required in this instance then. He does not appear to have been under supervision by the probation service within 28 days prior to the alleged SFO. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-31864770683349259542014-11-08T22:00:53.217+00:002014-11-08T22:00:53.217+00:00from the NOMS policy SFO Offender Eligibility;
• ...from the NOMS policy SFO Offender Eligibility;<br /><br />• Offenders who are under any form of supervision by the Probation Service on the date of the SFO (excluding however offenders where a court or recall warrant had been issued 3 months or more prior to the date of the SFO);<br />• Offenders who were under any form of supervision by the Probation Service which terminated within 28 days prior to the SFO;<br />• Offenders under supervision as above, who are charged with an equivalent eligible offence in another jurisdiction;<br />• Offenders meeting the above criteria, who have allegedly committed an SFO but have died prior to being charged.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-17741502731161671632014-11-08T21:37:22.015+00:002014-11-08T21:37:22.015+00:00Come on guys you have them on the run, keep it up!...Come on guys you have them on the run, keep it up!!!!!!!!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-88342609800244935822014-11-08T20:29:46.919+00:002014-11-08T20:29:46.919+00:00I'm sure he was :-)I'm sure he was :-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-78670328479042396072014-11-08T19:55:31.263+00:002014-11-08T19:55:31.263+00:00" Probation service at Breaking point "
..." Probation service at Breaking point "<br /><br />https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B16zH6IIUAEGf95.jpg:largeAndrew_S_Hattonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09115192522317353139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-18685559247951234562014-11-08T18:30:36.436+00:002014-11-08T18:30:36.436+00:00just watched it - 3 of them. How kind to take time...just watched it - 3 of them. How kind to take time out of your busy schedule to serenade him so passionately - and with the support of Tom Robinson - (pity you couldn't swap him and CG around!). I bet CG was delighted!)MLnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-24723047375135503192014-11-08T17:53:43.606+00:002014-11-08T17:53:43.606+00:00This article might shed more light on the case an...This article might shed more light on the case and make more sense, although I don't know where they have the info from.<br /><br />"He had only been out of prison for a couple of weeks at the time of the incident in the early hours of Thursday morning.<br />Williams had previous convictions for violence and drugs and Cerys' heartbroken family are demanding to know why he wasn't being properly supervised.<br />A serious further offence review was today launched after the incident at the Sirhowy Arms Hotel in the village of Argoed, near Blackwood.<br />Williams, who died at the scene after being tasered, had been staying in the hotel after his release from prison.<br />He had not been subject to a Multi-Agency Public Protection Arrangement which is used to manage violent offenders when they are freed.<br /><br />Williams had served his entire sentence before being freed.<br />He had previously been released from prison after serving half of his sentence but he was sent back to jail after breaching the conditions of his licence.<br /><br />A Ministry of Justice spokesman said: "If a further offence is committed within a 30 day period from the sentence end date, a serious further offence review will take place."<br /><br />http://www.southwales-eveningpost.co.uk/Justice-chiefs-probe-cannibal-killer-released/story-24480673-detail/story.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-47437063487407767592014-11-08T16:21:10.021+00:002014-11-08T16:21:10.021+00:00" 'Unsafe' probation, wealth of injus..." 'Unsafe' probation, wealth of injustice & poppy profiteering? (E140) "<br /><br />http://rt.com/shows/going-underground/203447-tory-privatisation-eu-immigrants/Andrew_S_Hattonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09115192522317353139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-26090639513854853692014-11-08T15:42:44.283+00:002014-11-08T15:42:44.283+00:00Ian Lawrence on RT good coverage of the arguments ...Ian Lawrence on RT good coverage of the arguments and dangers with TR' well worth a view. The programme on RT is called "Going Underground".<br /><br />papaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-26845806799553427382014-11-08T14:39:02.433+00:002014-11-08T14:39:02.433+00:00I really think we need to get the truth out there ...I really think we need to get the truth out there with whatever happened around his probation or lack of. The newspapers are giving mixed messages which can't all be accurate and it's putting probation in a bad light. <br /><br />1. If he wasn't supervised by probation because he wasn't meant to be let's get that out there (by social media at least). And let's make it clear that TR changes would still mean no supervision for him if released at SED. <br /><br />2. If he was meant to be supervised by probation but was not being then it is likely that the chaos caused by TR had a big impact on that so let's make it public knowledge. <br /><br />Probation need to be speaking out about this case and now. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-31114535988849020112014-11-08T14:30:39.214+00:002014-11-08T14:30:39.214+00:00A lot of us went to celebrate with him at MOJ and ...A lot of us went to celebrate with him at MOJ and we sang him Happy Birthday. There was a great placard that read 'Hey! Grayling Unhappy Birthday April Fool!' Next to a drawing of B.A. Baracus. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-9072961522314440552014-11-08T14:22:02.727+00:002014-11-08T14:22:02.727+00:00Yes! See this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFKF...Yes! See this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFKFS_m3aEoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-68187259381511461592014-11-08T13:57:55.093+00:002014-11-08T13:57:55.093+00:00I have a feeling that there is going to be many &#...I have a feeling that there is going to be many 'presents' returned this year. I doubt they'll be getting a refund though!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-8142561662679086942014-11-08T13:34:31.178+00:002014-11-08T13:34:31.178+00:00while there is a lull, I just wanted to say, have ...while there is a lull, I just wanted to say, have many of you noted CG's birthdate?? ....1st April.........MLnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-92166203305752553842014-11-08T13:16:36.238+00:002014-11-08T13:16:36.238+00:00The inaccuracies in the news stories shouldn't...The inaccuracies in the news stories shouldn't take an inquiry. Either he was released at the halfway point in which case he would have been under supervision (under the current legislation) which means there's been an almighty cock-up or he was released at the end of his sentence (so not subject to monitoring) which means that probation couldn't be legally supervising him. I'm inclined to trust the statement attributed to probation which says he was released at the end of his sentence. In the meantime, apparently it's fine to prominently display opinion and public statements which are not factual and apparently it is also fine to constantly doorstep and harass the victims families and associates and wildly speculate (and I really don't understand why it's important that we know the victims mum lives in a detached house - well I do but that's another discussion). As for the current BBC reports and politicians posturing - they disgust me. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-24315625284765354772014-11-08T11:32:00.128+00:002014-11-08T11:32:00.128+00:00Happy Christmas!Happy Christmas!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-36823538576953751492014-11-08T11:29:23.394+00:002014-11-08T11:29:23.394+00:00NPS not NOW, of course!NPS not NOW, of course!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-15377594205948164612014-11-08T11:27:14.882+00:002014-11-08T11:27:14.882+00:0021 days, I think? Irrespective of the criteria for...21 days, I think? Irrespective of the criteria for a SFO or whether this case was held by NOW or CRC (even if MAPPA 1, not all were reallocated); I genuinely feel for all involved as however well this case was managed our professional mind set tends to mean that we will still question whether more could have been done, even if to have been able to more is a wholly unrealistic expectation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-52786130095056109102014-11-08T11:13:54.114+00:002014-11-08T11:13:54.114+00:00As things stand contracts will be signed 18/19th D...As things stand contracts will be signed 18/19th December with winning bidders getting the keys to the doors late January/ early February. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-33121258278194387342014-11-08T10:33:49.179+00:002014-11-08T10:33:49.179+00:00What is most satisfying about the JR application i...What is most satisfying about the JR application is that Grayling does not know what happens next. And if this gets delayed then even he cannot stop the clock. And if the contracts aren't signed before the election then the cards are up in the air. The split will not be reversed, but if a new government were not to go ahead it would essentially leave two sectors working together and I think over time there would be reintegration by default. Highly speculative, I know, but entirely possible too. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-44717436118806095632014-11-08T10:10:27.296+00:002014-11-08T10:10:27.296+00:00MAPPA may be an issue and if this is so the police...MAPPA may be an issue and if this is so the police would have taken the lead. Also a MAPPA F may/should have been written by the prison Offender Supervisor. For me it demonstrates how difficult and crucial the role of the justice agencies are; only a madman would consider privatising them and putting the public at massively increased RISK.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com