tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post8149312510892160013..comments2024-03-19T06:08:25.367+00:00Comments on On Probation Blog: Guest Blog 35Jim Brownhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00258147767051200157noreply@blogger.comBlogger37125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-89462703691810195692015-04-24T18:51:08.368+01:002015-04-24T18:51:08.368+01:00"As much as CRC's are useless"?"As much as CRC's are useless"?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-85269859837855181842015-04-23T23:23:08.055+01:002015-04-23T23:23:08.055+01:00Well I work on reception and this would have been ...Well I work on reception and this would have been put through to NPS duty no question. It's standard practice to ask an outside agency which part of the business they need to speak to and if they do not know then a quick conversation would have signalled this as being NPS. We have it all the time, in that for some reason they have been given a name, ask for that person who now happens to be in a different side of the the business and they end up going around in circles. The phone systems are also a complete nightmare, for every one call we need to hang onto another 4 go onto the answer machine so it may be that this was just put through unannounced as a specific officer was asked for and it went onto someone's voicemail who wasn't in the office that day which probably includes the SPO on this particular day. I cannot see anyone ignoring this at all.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-4286343521777709852015-04-23T20:42:59.167+01:002015-04-23T20:42:59.167+01:00I'm a CRC officer and if I had received this i...I'm a CRC officer and if I had received this information, I would have actioned it. No matter which side of the divide created by MOJ we still have a responsibility. As repeated numerous times here, any MAPPA eligible cases should be NPS. I previously stated we have had a number in my area incorrected allocated - but once this has been raised by Officer allocated case a reallocation has taken place. I oppose TR and everything about it, but if as individuals we do not take responsibility to action RISK then we just add to an already dangerous environment.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-31558364686030993792015-04-23T20:36:55.887+01:002015-04-23T20:36:55.887+01:00Should not be a CRC case. We have had a number al...Should not be a CRC case. We have had a number allocated to CRC but been identified by staff as inappropriate allocation and reallocated back to NPS. ALL MAPPA CASES are NPS not CRC.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-44298975054048692702015-04-23T19:56:33.599+01:002015-04-23T19:56:33.599+01:00Exactly. Poor knowledge of probation, MAPPA and re...Exactly. Poor knowledge of probation, MAPPA and recalls for someone claiming to have 13 years exp as a SPO. Furthermore, I wouldn't expect an ex SPO with such exp to have to seek answers on a blog. I answered the post in one of the initial replies but did wonder if there was bending of the truth here. Maybe the poster is really one of Grayling's men trying to infiltrate the blog and put the cat amongst the pigeons.<br /><br />I note there's a few practitioners here with a poor knowledge of MAPPA and procedure too, so the poster is not alone!Probation Officernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-77997052411509754732015-04-23T19:30:03.422+01:002015-04-23T19:30:03.422+01:00There is no way the author of this blog was a form...There is no way the author of this blog was a former probation practitionerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-20332329469398812082015-04-23T17:39:48.374+01:002015-04-23T17:39:48.374+01:00There are plenty of violent offenders who are MAPP...There are plenty of violent offenders who are MAPPA Level 1 by virtue of serving a 12 month sentence, don't forget them.<br /><br />The division is very clear - all MAPPA nominals, whatever level, go to NPS. It astounds me that we're nearly 12 months on from the split and this practice still isn't consistent.<br /><br />I'm not saying it makes sense - I have plenty of 'medium risk' cases on my CRC caseload who are one hell of a lot more dodgy than at lot of the MAPPA 1 cases I used to hold - but the dividing line is very clear.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-77906961256545147502015-04-23T16:55:13.377+01:002015-04-23T16:55:13.377+01:00You only tell children to 'wait and see' w...You only tell children to 'wait and see' when they ask for a bike for Christmas. People's livelihoods are taken a bit more seriously and they had/have every right to question a union whose machinations have been on a 'wait and see' rather than an upfront and honest dialogue from the onset of TR.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-68288619163292228102015-04-23T16:45:38.887+01:002015-04-23T16:45:38.887+01:00Does this just mean that the TR contractors will h...Does this just mean that the TR contractors will have to wait until September and move on compulsory redundancies. If so, why would they bother offering voluntary redundancies away?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-61994837398518285862015-04-23T15:38:29.330+01:002015-04-23T15:38:29.330+01:00You know when some colleagues have posted about ho...You know when some colleagues have posted about how crap the agreement negotiated by the unions was and some of us advised you to wait and see .....well now it is coming into it's own.....caveat emptor etcAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-17923953916945533402015-04-23T15:30:01.278+01:002015-04-23T15:30:01.278+01:00I have sent it to Jim. My technology means I can&#...I have sent it to Jim. My technology means I can't copy pdfs to this blog on my phone. Sorry. It is quoted in an email NAPO/UNISON just sent to all members.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-87608003990501696222015-04-23T15:01:14.583+01:002015-04-23T15:01:14.583+01:00Please post this letter anon 13:10 or anon 14:50Please post this letter anon 13:10 or anon 14:50Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-55601024802897882712015-04-23T14:50:42.140+01:002015-04-23T14:50:42.140+01:00By UNISON and Napo. I have a copy.By UNISON and Napo. I have a copy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-14813018627052778652015-04-23T14:50:29.915+01:002015-04-23T14:50:29.915+01:00Even though the job has changed its identity and t...Even though the job has changed its identity and though recent TR upheavals may have affected morale for some, it is stated by Anon @10.20 that that is no excuse for some individuals not doing the job properly. The necessity of 'Doing the job properly' was the principal finding in the Hanson and White SFO into the murder of John Monckton. In that case it was a 'collective failure' by the London Probation Area: it was a systems, not an individual failure.<br /><br />And if the poster has identified some individuals who have stopped doing their jobs properly, what is she/he going to do about it. Because if you do nothing, the corollary is that you help to create a collective failure.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /> Netnippernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-40847234213699339762015-04-23T14:38:40.008+01:002015-04-23T14:38:40.008+01:00MAPPA C1 L1 ie RSO status could only be held by NP...MAPPA C1 L1 ie RSO status could only be held by NPSAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-85455976456872587662015-04-23T14:29:26.171+01:002015-04-23T14:29:26.171+01:00There's still no excuse for the lack of common...There's still no excuse for the lack of common courtesy and manners demonstrated by the CRC officers in the guest post. Even if a job has changed away from the social work ethos, professionalism still dictates you behave in a courteous way towards anyone you have contact with or who contacts you. Manners cost nothing and go a long way to avoiding the type of feelings expressed in the guest postAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-54620729059547546712015-04-23T13:32:55.860+01:002015-04-23T13:32:55.860+01:00"A letter has been received..." - by who..."A letter has been received..." - by whom?<br /><br />I truly hope this isn't mischief-making.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-80472910692377271862015-04-23T13:10:42.895+01:002015-04-23T13:10:42.895+01:00A letter has been received from MOJ and Michael Sp...A letter has been received from MOJ and Michael Spurr confirming enhanced voluntary redundancy applies for the lifetime of the CRC contracts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-81697033700268297622015-04-23T13:00:16.746+01:002015-04-23T13:00:16.746+01:00This would not have been a crc case. They should h...This would not have been a crc case. They should have responded but this has to be an nps case.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-65247768772652568722015-04-23T12:59:00.563+01:002015-04-23T12:59:00.563+01:00Please see my comment above re VISOR. No reason wh...Please see my comment above re VISOR. No reason why CRC can't take a Mappa1 case in principle but they aren't allowed to see VISOR. Monstrous lack of info sharing SFO just waiting to happen.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-21704707032032942022015-04-23T12:54:19.489+01:002015-04-23T12:54:19.489+01:00Mappa L1 are sex offenders who the police have a s...Mappa L1 are sex offenders who the police have a statutory duty to manage but are not necessarily any further risk to victims. Think of someone elderly and infirm on conviction, for example. I don't see any reason why CRCs couldn't or shouldn't manage such cases but it may be less cumbersome for NPS to take them all as VISOR records are kept by the fuzz and only NPS have access to that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-24548534141520464752015-04-23T11:31:20.556+01:002015-04-23T11:31:20.556+01:00I'm not annon @10:20
I don't think it'...I'm not annon @10:20<br /><br />I don't think it's a case of staff not doing their job properly, I'm certain that they do.<br />I think the issue, and perhaps what annon @10:20 may like to consider, is that the job that staff in probation are being asked to do, has moved massively away from what probation services should (and used to be about).<br />NOMS did for probation services what video did for the radio star. Killed it.<br />The social work ethos thats been removed (from the job not necessarily the individual), and the tick box formats introduced to probation services, means that probation in reality no longer exists- and it hasn't for a long time now in anything other the name.<br />Would the job change very much if all probation officers left and were replaced by community offender supervisors?<br />I really (and sadly) think the answer is no.<br />For me, its not a case that staff aren't doing their job properly, it's more of a case that the job they now do is not really "probation" at all.<br /><br />No offence intended to anyone, it really is what I truely believe.<br /><br />'Getafix'Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-64569804359387668512015-04-23T10:54:33.987+01:002015-04-23T10:54:33.987+01:00Anon 10:20
Can you expand on why you think some i...Anon 10:20<br /><br />Can you expand on why you think some individual officers have not been doing their job properly for some considerable time...<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-66628825697840123622015-04-23T10:41:19.712+01:002015-04-23T10:41:19.712+01:00"I think you'll find that quite a few MAP..."I think you'll find that quite a few MAPPA 1 cases will have been allocated to CRC on the basis of being medium risk regardless of whether they are subject to MAPPA or not."<br />Then that is a very basic error indeed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-9765943840087920952015-04-23T10:29:24.980+01:002015-04-23T10:29:24.980+01:00The real problem is that profit rules.
Whatever si...The real problem is that profit rules.<br />Whatever situation arises, if there's no pennies to be made from it, then leave it alone and fingers crossed, it'll just go away.<br />As for the MAPPA issue, I think you'll find that quite a few MAPPA 1 cases will have been allocated to CRC on the basis of being medium risk regardless of whether they are subject to MAPPA or not.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com