tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post8043596729960544802..comments2024-03-28T16:04:49.918+00:00Comments on On Probation Blog: Latest From Napo 94Jim Brownhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00258147767051200157noreply@blogger.comBlogger64125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-89209134498882854142016-01-27T00:12:15.487+00:002016-01-27T00:12:15.487+00:00AGM voted down a pso motion written to prevent thi...AGM voted down a pso motion written to prevent this. POs argued it down. Get what you vote for.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-40874303067306671052016-01-24T10:20:45.312+00:002016-01-24T10:20:45.312+00:00It's not just PSR's. Now they're movin...It's not just PSR's. Now they're moving the goalposts and require PSO's to do nearly all what PO's do without any of the pay, training or qualifying certificates that PO's receive. Instead I doubt PO pay levels will last or the PO qualification remains when unqualified PSO's are doing the job for less. A surprising move and his will probably be a pattern in both NPS and CRC.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-6173315142382353542016-01-24T02:50:13.232+00:002016-01-24T02:50:13.232+00:00Quite a few people (or is it just the one person) ...Quite a few people (or is it just the one person) with a huge chip on his/her shoulder. <br />POs should write reports. PSOs shouldn't. But they do, they have for years in West Yorkshire. Yes some reports by PSOs have been better than some by POs are vice versa. That's not the point. The point is POs are paid to do it. I agree that the people that agreed to write reports without any remuneration were foolish to do so and paved the way for other PSOs to be exploited and feel they have no choice but to write them. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-34523358970220184352016-01-23T18:08:34.273+00:002016-01-23T18:08:34.273+00:00Not anyone can write a PSR properly. In any case a...Not anyone can write a PSR properly. In any case a PO's job is more than writing PSR's. Also we are speaking about the UK CJS which is world renowned, or was until Chris Grayling started to mess with it, so little point comparing what they may do elsewhere. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-3942997664097387442016-01-23T16:06:18.255+00:002016-01-23T16:06:18.255+00:00Are you mad. I've written PSRs. Anyone could w...Are you mad. I've written PSRs. Anyone could write one. No skill is involved. E3 countries don't use PSRs as responsibility lies with the judge and their systems are fine. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-79669624403747802552016-01-23T16:02:36.023+00:002016-01-23T16:02:36.023+00:003.03 your bubble will burst in the April and I can...3.03 your bubble will burst in the April and I can't wait to see you squirm like you gloat at our situation. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-17171903170274419892016-01-23T14:06:02.123+00:002016-01-23T14:06:02.123+00:00Top of the scale is about £36k. For the work we do...Top of the scale is about £36k. For the work we do, responsibility involved, qualifications required, etc, it's actually not that much. It also takes a very long time to reach the top of the scale, and in the meantime we are not paid overtime. <br /><br />For PSO's to actually be arguing to take on more responsibility without increased pay or access to professional qualifications is very stupid on their part. This is like women arguing for men to be paid less in order to reduce the pay divide at the top. Instead be intelligent people and argue for more not less!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-26011365735915694442016-01-23T09:26:21.903+00:002016-01-23T09:26:21.903+00:00therein lies the problem - PO scales are a bit hig...therein lies the problem - PO scales are a bit high - what's the top of the scale again - 30k probably more.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-88901310329893031942016-01-23T03:03:13.055+00:002016-01-23T03:03:13.055+00:00Oh Dear, another sad person who never cut the must...Oh Dear, another sad person who never cut the mustard and got through to the next round of DIPsw, DIPpss or PQF. You thumb twiddling muppet!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-69371010151811921452016-01-22T23:42:57.104+00:002016-01-22T23:42:57.104+00:00Reports coming through from NPS court officers in ...Reports coming through from NPS court officers in our area are shockingly poor. Very little information. No risk of serious harm needed indicated for cases of serious violence where the perps have previous history of weapons and they have just gone and committed yet another serious violent offence eith weapons.The sifting process clearly rubbish as some staff are just not up to the job. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-75216615283423170842016-01-22T23:42:15.199+00:002016-01-22T23:42:15.199+00:00Erm, no. We should be fighting to maintain the pro...Erm, no. We should be fighting to maintain the professional role and qualification of the probation officers. If PSO's or others are to do particular parts of our work then they should be required to achieve qualified status, and then they can be paid accordingly. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-6088493212106903582016-01-22T23:26:05.181+00:002016-01-22T23:26:05.181+00:00After posting at 21:12 it's interesting to rea...After posting at 21:12 it's interesting to read the following posts. As a profession do we not recognise the importance of qualifications, training and development? Probation officers have had professional training for over 70 years. Yet here we have probation staff stating how well they do without it, and therefore having a hand in the de-professionalisation of their own profession. Wise up and smell the coffee; first role boundaries are eroded, then the training and responsibility is removed, then the pay structure is harmonised at a lower rate, and then the jobs are given to any idiot and his dog. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-27522463683476557842016-01-22T22:45:25.971+00:002016-01-22T22:45:25.971+00:00Ok so we need to stick together. Where do we start...Ok so we need to stick together. Where do we start? PSOs are going to be given extra training to wrtie PSRs, do we need to be fighting for them to get the pay they deserve doing that role? I'd be up for that. (A PO) Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-6772687852345595332016-01-22T22:36:45.219+00:002016-01-22T22:36:45.219+00:00NPS vs CRC - why can't you lot work in the int...NPS vs CRC - why can't you lot work in the interests of the offender instead of throwing each other under the bus?<br />We used to be colleagues in the same organizations - now all I see is people who won't cross the room to speak to each other in order to actually help resolve an issue with one of our offenders and will instead try and cast blame - shame on you!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-74440801347311540232016-01-22T22:25:39.634+00:002016-01-22T22:25:39.634+00:00Come April we are probably going to see all those ...Come April we are probably going to see all those nps POs come running to the CRCs with your tails between your legs. We will be good enough for you then.....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-63180360927193047812016-01-22T22:10:58.068+00:002016-01-22T22:10:58.068+00:00I love this blog and I love the probation service....I love this blog and I love the probation service. Reading some of the above has me on stitches. Despite all that is going on. Everyone remains passionate, has an opinion, talks part logical and part illogical with napo or TR always being blamed in any debate. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-45077985450463703652016-01-22T22:04:44.479+00:002016-01-22T22:04:44.479+00:00Absolutely 22:00. The film Pride provides lessons ...Absolutely 22:00. The film Pride provides lessons in solidarity.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-51047418899302973142016-01-22T22:00:08.000+00:002016-01-22T22:00:08.000+00:00Currently enjoying Jacques Peretti's documenta...Currently enjoying Jacques Peretti's documentary about the British Isles (shurely Cayman Islands?) where charity replaces public service provision, where private investment replaces state finance, where the wealthy are made more wealthy, where the British Govt are wholly responsible.<br /><br />Lordy, Lordy, we're in for a special treat as Dave & his chums squeeze us dry while they get fat. And in the meantime we'll beat each other to death as we're set against each other by the misdirection & division created by the British Govt.<br /><br />Just look at the posts on this thread alone... Its terrifying. Rats eating rats on a sinking ship.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-33983428957132730792016-01-22T21:59:13.462+00:002016-01-22T21:59:13.462+00:00Risk is only a tick box for nps court officers. Mo...Risk is only a tick box for nps court officers. Most PSRs have little analysis and lots of boxes ticked. E3 will increase this poor quality having an impact on nps and crc. I'm writing to napo as E3 had to stop. Why isn't the napo GS and the napo communications team all over this? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-73523402504837137122016-01-22T21:55:26.200+00:002016-01-22T21:55:26.200+00:00I don't know why the general sec published thi...I don't know why the general sec published this story: he does know Napo represent CRCs too, yes? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-11837017899343770532016-01-22T21:51:48.451+00:002016-01-22T21:51:48.451+00:0021:37, your post is all over the place. You say PO...21:37, your post is all over the place. You say POs should unite with PSOs, yet you're just as divisive.<br /><br />Your comment about risk being tick box is so far wide of the mark I am astonished you even made it. An OASys risk assessment can be completed just by ticking the boxes, of course it can, but that doesn't make it any use to anyone. Anyone could write in the boxes on the FDR template, but that doesn't make them good quality work that can be relied upon by courts, colleagues or anyone else.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-6608418809296973112016-01-22T21:41:40.487+00:002016-01-22T21:41:40.487+00:00I should add to the above post, that in those circ...I should add to the above post, that in those circumstances, it is highly unlikely that community supervision will be considered. I've also witnessed benches declining applications to amend orders when the application is to have a programme removed. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-79300503916325048702016-01-22T21:40:28.887+00:002016-01-22T21:40:28.887+00:00a lot of people saying they'd rather do the ti...a lot of people saying they'd rather do the time than have a CO,I'm seeing some really top-heavy sentences handed down. My main bugbear is the double whammy of punitive ie curfews AND upw, I clearly remember in my court officer days it should be one or the other but not both and certainly not with an SSO that is another punitive sanction.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-44911679666061007492016-01-22T21:39:46.793+00:002016-01-22T21:39:46.793+00:00Risk is tick box? No. Risk assessment is much, muc...Risk is tick box? No. Risk assessment is much, much more than this. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-71290335204895320262016-01-22T21:37:12.146+00:002016-01-22T21:37:12.146+00:00Well there you are PO status conscious doing a job...Well there you are PO status conscious doing a job that you claim is better because as a PO it has be better. Than what PSOs are doing and have been doing the same job for years. Your stuck in old values of a bygone era. I want a professional demarcation and a separate responsibility grade of course we all might. The problems arose when all the PO graded SPO devolved your jobs . Eroded your terms and destroyed the PO role from within. Well done. As for risks its all in the tick box and any volunteer could do it but we all want pay. This is a race to the bottom and this squabble helps speed it up. POs still unable to unite the debate is about the right to work and the conditions of service . SPO should be retained in all CRCs as a properly qualified Po as this sets the public standards of expectation and belief in a professional service albeit privately run. Set the same standard in the NPS and we might start a climb back to grade responsibility although remember equal work for equal pay something the PO grade never liked. Ask any one of them. This agenda actually stops PSO exploitation and levels the field a bit course you don't like it POs. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com