tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post649509883354943801..comments2024-03-28T23:10:52.046+00:00Comments on On Probation Blog: TR Reflections Part 2Jim Brownhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00258147767051200157noreply@blogger.comBlogger34125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-63157075708003463992015-02-05T15:49:24.638+00:002015-02-05T15:49:24.638+00:00as a service user my concerns are the lack of cont...as a service user my concerns are the lack of contact and consistency of rules/policy, the changes LP are going through have had a bad impact on the quality of 'real' user management. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-47576889043576301872014-06-05T09:14:35.486+01:002014-06-05T09:14:35.486+01:00Interesting suggestion, but unnecessary, I know pe...Interesting suggestion, but unnecessary, I know people at the MOJ have been looking up in one directory about me and so assume they will have checked other things, possibly including records held by public authorities, so be it. They know I know, you folk know I know. <br /><br />One MOJ member of staff - who astoundingly - describes himself as John Nicholson, Head of Corporate Security & Business Continuity Branch at Ministry of Justice (surely I am not so important that the most senior member of the Security Dept at the MOJ has personally enquired about me?) - and consequentially has had it published that he checked my use of an internet directory - so be it.<br /><br />I endeavour to express opinion or state fact in public fora, usually politely and respectfully, I cannot see that under English and Welsh law I have anything to fear - unless you know differently - I am sure others who cause embarrassment and discomfort to politicians or Civil Servants etc are also likely to be investigated.<br /><br />This whole business is not about individuals but about inadequate policy instigated by parliaments (plural) and implemented in a foolhardy way by a government who do not have the skills necessary in their executive arm to do so effectively or without increasing the actual difficulties of the people they employ and creating harm and extra financial cost among the populace.<br /><br />Focusing on individuals is mostly a distraction, we need to focus on publishing what is happening, questioning that and alerting the public in any way legally permissible, in order that the Government and its executive see sense and change the policies and ways of implementing and managing their policies - that is what this Blog is now mostly about and what I aim to continue to do.Andrew_S_Hattonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09115192522317353139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-27385650443046326972014-06-05T07:27:21.137+01:002014-06-05T07:27:21.137+01:00Exactly! Napo and unison members who are still doi...Exactly! Napo and unison members who are still doing over and above their hours to help. Don't you are just helping to paper over the gaping holes that are appearing everywhere. If you are working over your hours and not being allowed to take toil then ask to be paid. In our area there are not enough staff in NPS and the influx of PSR request has risen to such an extent that we are nearly at breaking point ....now if we can only disrupt the courts more then it won't be long until a solicitor or judges start making comments and airing their concerns. Anonymous24https://www.blogger.com/profile/01551265473602093722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-8048604294498410142014-06-05T06:40:44.522+01:002014-06-05T06:40:44.522+01:00Sadly we have napo members (po & pso) working ...Sadly we have napo members (po & pso) working overtime to ensure 'migration' of cases is successfully completed. I am at a loss to understand.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-67198579875933987712014-06-05T04:30:02.597+01:002014-06-05T04:30:02.597+01:00Andrew, you are doing valuable work that helps us ...Andrew, you are doing valuable work that helps us all, please submit FOI request regarding you being checked out...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-70129637387472881962014-06-05T00:45:24.196+01:002014-06-05T00:45:24.196+01:00Thanks for support . I appreciate that'Thanks for support . I appreciate that'Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-38744037334247734452014-06-05T00:35:20.566+01:002014-06-05T00:35:20.566+01:00Mutuals are an anomaly and as far as the MoJs PR d...Mutuals are an anomaly and as far as the MoJs PR dept is concerned they have now served their purpose ie to hoodwink some soft Tory MP's into thinking that the probation service was being allowed to bid (when in fact they were not). Now that the gloves are off they are nothing more than an irritation and more of an interest to the MoJs nemesis The Cabinet Office than to anyone in the MoJ. Irritatingly some of the bidders are referring to the 'justice market' as a 'new investment frontier'. We need to convince them that the potential for reputational and other damage as a result of their ventures, including to their share price, could result in some severe collateral damage to their other interests. Any voluntary sector organisations may well lose charitable status if they do deals. If I were a large corporation then I would leave the UK justice sector well alone as it is very precarious and is quite possible teetering on the brink of widespread implosion and collapse that will need a lot of cash thrown at it to sort the mess out. A couple of Sonnex type cases and a riot or two in the Summer may well see share prices plummeting as there is considerable international appetite for such matters if they involve serious shortfalls and the government will not wish to be seen subsidising private sector companies when they were being run quite well by the public sector who were providing taxpayers with genuine value for money..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-32227523964571200092014-06-05T00:14:33.171+01:002014-06-05T00:14:33.171+01:00Really sorry to hear about your distress. It'...Really sorry to hear about your distress. It's awful. I heard a few people around the office saying that if they had known how awful it was going to be then they would have gone out on strike for a month and found a way to sabotage the computer system to make sure anyone foolish enough not to join them wasn't able to work. It is a complete disgrace when you hear that some staff are putting in extra hours to make things work when employers have had more than enough warning. Dont try to plug the holes and bail them out let it sink and say good riddance to bad rubbish. If they think its working they'll carry on. Some people are still behaving as if they are working for a Probation Trust. For the first time in my life I am working full time for a company with the prospect of it being taken over by one involved in human rights abuses and military work. I wouldn't have chosen to work for scumbags like that and they will get precious little work out of me to meet any of their targets. From now on its 9-5 and the bare minimum. I'm not working to put money in their shareholders pockets. The message should be keep probation publicAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-654018681718893042014-06-05T00:07:09.651+01:002014-06-05T00:07:09.651+01:00The reality is that they have the wrong people in ...The reality is that they have the wrong people in the wrong places. It's an utter mess and people are just turning up to collect their wages. If you look closely there is nothing behind their eyes. Only thoughts of how to get out of this disorganisation.. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-33520961075172173342014-06-05T00:05:25.589+01:002014-06-05T00:05:25.589+01:00Anon 22:45 if it makes you feel any better I was t...Anon 22:45 if it makes you feel any better I was the same today. In tears 3 times and I only work part time so not even in the office all that long! I hope your colleagues are being supportive as mine have been xAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-35884513179847353312014-06-05T00:02:40.235+01:002014-06-05T00:02:40.235+01:00Now that third sector are deserting the TR Omnisha...Now that third sector are deserting the TR Omnishambles, is it not time for the so called 'staff mutuals' to do the honourable thing and remove themselves also. Once the mutual are gone there will be no legitimacy. There appears to be no-one now speaking up for TR, and the inclusion of 'mutuals' is the only thorn in the side of the anti-TR campaign.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-9480071088696349772014-06-04T23:12:17.852+01:002014-06-04T23:12:17.852+01:00NOT FUNNY - my sincere commiserations to the colle...NOT FUNNY - my sincere commiserations to the colleague Anon at 22.45 - the determination some probation folk are demonstrating to support clients is impressive - but they are not responsible for the omnishambles and their employers have a duty of care to them - they are not supposed to be at a very high level of stress day after day - if they feel like that they need support, if that support is not willingly available within the job including via the union, it is reasonable, they should ask for advise from their own family doctors. Probation workers |(obviously) also have responsibility for them selves for the sake of their families - I wish all peace tonight and am very relieved I am out of it by several years.Andrew_S_Hattonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09115192522317353139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-88317653520400223062014-06-04T23:01:23.046+01:002014-06-04T23:01:23.046+01:00Look, Chris. I know it's tough but you brought...Look, Chris. I know it's tough but you brought it on yourself Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-43901339552155236572014-06-04T23:01:10.961+01:002014-06-04T23:01:10.961+01:00I was out of touch with the pre entry training qua...I was out of touch with the pre entry training qualification requirements but it seems as if for the Probation Graduate Diploma those 4 degree subjects were set when it was first introduced in 2010 - I do not know, precisely what other routes there are into qualified practise other than with a social workers training (that was confirmed to me as still valid by a recruitment agency I contacted a month or so ago)<br /><br />There are links to the policy document on the Napo Forum which includes a response from Mactailgunner regarding an ongoing paper that is up for discussion.<br /><br />Possibly Probation Officer placement trainers know more - <br /><br />http://www.napo2.org.uk/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=680#p3133<br /><br />Incidentally I have been in discussion with MOJ bods about all this via a Facebook Page -I know also see that my LinkedIn Profile has been checked in the last 4 days by a security bod at the MOJ<br /><br />John Nicholson<br /><br />Head of Corporate Security & Business Continuity Branch at Ministry of Justice<br /><br /> London, United Kingdom<br /> Government Administration - fascinating!<br /><br />https://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=58314913&authType=name&authToken=H8ZX&trk=mirror-profile-memberlist-nameAndrew_S_Hattonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09115192522317353139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-88584953144517407942014-06-04T22:45:55.497+01:002014-06-04T22:45:55.497+01:00I have had the day of hell. Can't say what hap...I have had the day of hell. Can't say what happened as it could identify me. My boiling point was reached today. Spent pretty much most of day in tears or feeling tearful. Only time I wasn't was when I was with my clientsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-73337185065024471022014-06-04T22:20:35.209+01:002014-06-04T22:20:35.209+01:00I agree that this a most limited demographic from ...I agree that this a most limited demographic from which to select future probation officers. I thought that it was even more limited in scope, with just a degree in Criminal Justice or Criminology?<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02835387633702641755noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-27334031867600121982014-06-04T22:15:04.559+01:002014-06-04T22:15:04.559+01:00I intend to keep fighting this is all we have left...I intend to keep fighting this is all we have left , I've spoken to colleagues who have been told they can't take their toil because there is to much work! Stop doing more than your hours your helping to make this train wreck work.i know work to your hours has ended but FFs stop doing over and above what you should be Come On We Still Have Something To Fight For!!Anonymous24https://www.blogger.com/profile/01551265473602093722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-40083939239633271772014-06-04T22:08:24.206+01:002014-06-04T22:08:24.206+01:00"in good faith" hahahahahahaha!!
That&#..."in good faith" hahahahahahaha!!<br /><br />That's a good one!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-1491861819964185232014-06-04T21:06:48.593+01:002014-06-04T21:06:48.593+01:00If you go to www.surreysussexprobation.gov.uk ther...If you go to www.surreysussexprobation.gov.uk there is a message to say 'This site has now moved. For news and information about probation services in Kent, please visit www.ksscrc.co.uk'. There is no mention of the NPS. Is this significant?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-81136785128511351092014-06-04T21:00:25.149+01:002014-06-04T21:00:25.149+01:00they're making it up as they go along.they're making it up as they go along. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-31917565519002911232014-06-04T20:53:42.978+01:002014-06-04T20:53:42.978+01:00my understanding is that any moves are VOLUNTARY o...my understanding is that any moves are VOLUNTARY onlyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-63404793782569640722014-06-04T20:46:33.160+01:002014-06-04T20:46:33.160+01:00Keep the applause running then, because today I ...Keep the applause running then, because today I heard through the vines and then officially that the local bidder has pulled out. It is now public as the shaw trust who have done so much over the year to develop a serious bid for our work even employing ex ranking probation staff in the process ! <br /><br />I have to say, they were the preferred option given their value base, but they have decided after considerable investment to walk ! Please keep clapping readers as we watch the Shaw Trust leave the game. <br /><br />They were a major contributor to the TR agenda and to our local branch concerns yet now they do us a great service by dumping their TR aspirations which leaves the bidding without a third contender and damages the competition process . Helpfully just late enough we expect to create a delay for the 21st of June bidding submissions deadline. From NAPO SW Branch Thank you ! <br /><br />In relation to the fear comments above, It is amazing to me at least the expectation that POs would be able to switch all their risk awareness, information gathering and checking skills and somehow just forget to make informed professional assessments on their work. Added to that incredible belief that it might really be acceptable to formally bar them from access on a the IT system to files and professional work they actually wrote . To make it worse some have been drafted into role without any appropriate skills to oversee colleagues within the CRC.<br /><br />It is not confusion it is destruction which seeks to divided colleagues unfairly and inappropriately yet in time, these new walls will come down. <br /><br />Dino <br /><br />Dinonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-78298802046476087402014-06-04T20:30:58.016+01:002014-06-04T20:30:58.016+01:00New trainee entry qualifications criminology, poli...New trainee entry qualifications criminology, police studies degrees ? God help us more clones Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-79497361054794605442014-06-04T20:23:26.764+01:002014-06-04T20:23:26.764+01:00The new trainee officers will have to spend some t...The new trainee officers will have to spend some time in the CRC probably.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-80595350029127680772014-06-04T20:20:51.914+01:002014-06-04T20:20:51.914+01:00Page 11 from London Service level agreement: -
&q...Page 11 from London Service level agreement: -<br /><br />"3.1.7<br />The NPS agrees that it will in good faith and for the purposes of maximising career development opportunities for employees of the NPS, consider offering to any of its employees who wish to do so the opportunity to be seconded to a CRC on such terms as may be agreed from time to time and to do so under the Agreed Form Secondment Framework Agreement wherever possible. Copies of the Agreed Form Secondment Framework Agreement may be obtained from Human Resources"<br /><br />https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/315931/NPS_SLA_Final_London.pdf<br /><br />Is that to which Anon at 20.08 refers?Andrew_S_Hattonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09115192522317353139noreply@blogger.com