tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post6409453514600872941..comments2024-03-28T07:32:23.397+00:00Comments on On Probation Blog: Situation CriticalJim Brownhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00258147767051200157noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-64978672139226496152013-08-28T01:21:57.152+01:002013-08-28T01:21:57.152+01:00Point taken - I just don't see how Napo or Uni...Point taken - I just don't see how Napo or Unison (I do not have a clue how SCOOP works)can agree a change to national conditions without first balloting members.<br /><br />I realise his tweet referenced a different matter.Andrew_S_Hattonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09115192522317353139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-38820228460640048442013-08-27T22:18:52.605+01:002013-08-27T22:18:52.605+01:00The key issue with the vote is what the turnout wa...The key issue with the vote is what the turnout was, and that is secret. 92% of fuck all is - well - fuck all. It's a huge mistake not to just admit the turnout was pathetic - but Napo have been brilliant at crap decisions for some time now Jim Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00258147767051200157noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-1989549001397330042013-08-27T22:14:13.802+01:002013-08-27T22:14:13.802+01:00Tolkny,
There are two separate matters - the cont...Tolkny,<br /><br />There are two separate matters - the contract between each Trust and NOMS - which does not deal with staff terms and conditions - but does deal with the period of notice each Trust is entitled to from NOMS. Joe's last post concerns something different - draft terms for transfer of staff. Jim Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00258147767051200157noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-21893582325772352752013-08-27T21:48:56.126+01:002013-08-27T21:48:56.126+01:00There was this fanfare about 92 percent voting in ...There was this fanfare about 92 percent voting in favour about industrial action and then..nothing. There is precious little info from napo but I keep hearing these rumours about negotiations. What happened about listening to those members who voted. Are we purely about appeasement or is napo prepared to at least try and fight. The bottom line is napo have been woeful in the face of this whole sorry mess. Whether this is the fault of the leadership or the members is a moot point and I wholly accept that the current leadership have been put into place by the napo members. However, the paid leadership have gotta try to at least step u to the mark. At present napo is an embarrassment Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-25923486723557184242013-08-27T21:32:09.181+01:002013-08-27T21:32:09.181+01:00According to a Joe Kuipers' Tweet it is "...According to a Joe Kuipers' Tweet it is "the contract between the Trust and NOMS, which does not deal with staff T&Cs."Andrew_S_Hattonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09115192522317353139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-11612453015088542892013-08-27T21:22:38.844+01:002013-08-27T21:22:38.844+01:00Thanks - refers to draft agreements between unions...Thanks - refers to draft agreements between unions and employers - but no details as yet. Jim Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00258147767051200157noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-3908702850193454882013-08-27T20:06:44.632+01:002013-08-27T20:06:44.632+01:00I see Joe Kuipers has posted two relevant blog pie...I see Joe Kuipers has posted two relevant blog pieces lately - the latest within the last hour.<br /><br />http://joekuipers49.blogspot.co.uk/Andrew_S_Hattonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09115192522317353139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-76265059164975740832013-08-27T19:17:37.504+01:002013-08-27T19:17:37.504+01:00http://www.russellwebster.com/latest-probation-red...http://www.russellwebster.com/latest-probation-reducing-reoffending-rates/<br /><br />Interesting about re-offending ratesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-79675909005807496672013-08-27T19:00:23.113+01:002013-08-27T19:00:23.113+01:00All the conservative/lib dem arguements for privat...All the conservative/lib dem arguements for privatising probation demolished. Re-offending down. Repeated lie about high re-offending rates for offenders not supervised by probation completely and utterly refuted, private sector shown for the bunch of pirates they are with over charging and failing in services. Yet still the government barrels along and none of the directors, CO, ACO's stepping up and saying this is wrong.<br /><br />Keep_probation_publicnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-68563580415292861882013-08-27T18:13:46.471+01:002013-08-27T18:13:46.471+01:00I note care, wefare, support and public safety are...I note care, wefare, support and public safety are not issues considered in the above mentioned article. Instead the only term that gets a mention (and several times at that) is supply chain. <br />Supply chain maybe an acceptable use of language when used in relation to beefburgers, fishfingers or even toilet paper. <br />It is not an acceptable (and I take extreme offence) term or phase that should be used when the commodity under discussion is human life.<br />It may be said that more may be expected from the voluntry sector given the assumption of some social ethos. Obviously not. Maybe if they choose to use such terminology they would be better viewed in the same profit only fashon that their masters are seen in.<br />Supply chain? Go and damned.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-60319693307988320272013-08-27T17:48:41.700+01:002013-08-27T17:48:41.700+01:00Civil Society,
"On line directory of chariti...Civil Society,<br /><br />"On line directory of charities working with offenders published".<br /><br />All relates to TR.scalagousehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07962107613759204960noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-933146030530892502013-08-27T12:31:14.353+01:002013-08-27T12:31:14.353+01:00I don't go in for cult of personality, but I d...I don't go in for cult of personality, but I do wonder what could have been achieved if we had 35 Joe Kuipers as Trust Chairs, instead of 34 sinecures indulging baser motives.Netnippernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-74013101299616240462013-08-27T11:09:14.918+01:002013-08-27T11:09:14.918+01:00Responding to Jim's post at 10.35
I agree a...Responding to Jim's post at 10.35 <br /><br />I agree about needing to be well lead and that including frequent updates - that is something I wrote about on the Napo Members' Forum so long ago - I cannot now locate it for reference - I don't think it even had an acknowledgement - but then I am only an associate member and not attending Branch Meetings - surely this is what full members should be demanding of their NEC reps via their local branch meetings?<br /><br />Andrew HattonAndrew_S_Hattonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09115192522317353139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-28395277496822173852013-08-27T11:08:36.937+01:002013-08-27T11:08:36.937+01:00The SAS are a elite unit of the British forces. Th...The SAS are a elite unit of the British forces. They are a unit that are only as strong as their membership.<br />However, each mission or project engaged upon has a 'leader' appointed. It ensures that someone takes responsibility for sharing information and makes sure that the membership understands the objectives, individual roles, and all are singing from the same hymn sheet.<br />Probation are not the SAS. It was just a thought.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-29417544794887045732013-08-27T10:36:17.961+01:002013-08-27T10:36:17.961+01:00As above, a Union is only as good as its members. ...As above, a Union is only as good as its members. If members are complacent and dont want to take up arms what more can a Union do? If NAPO is such a dirty word then leave and join Unison or another Union. Rather invest my time in publicising probations plight and doing what I can than waste time complaining about NAPO doing nothing. Oh and to make assumptions that NAPO are ensuring their own nests are feathered is hardly valid when they are likely to loose a majority of its members and there is a real possibility NAPO wont exist in a few years time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-41238093446330341852013-08-27T10:35:24.023+01:002013-08-27T10:35:24.023+01:00Andrew,
And I will repeat Napo members have every...Andrew,<br /><br />And I will repeat Napo members have every right to expect strong and expert leadership from the paid staff. They are not getting it. Yes it may be the fault of the Chair and NEC but the membership is being short-changed and someone's arse needs kicking. Yes there is a leadership ballot and for the life of me I cannot see how the present Chair hopes to be re-elected judging by the catastrophic last year under their term!Jim Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00258147767051200157noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-28287249521112519382013-08-27T10:31:31.279+01:002013-08-27T10:31:31.279+01:00There may be a lot more good will about regarding ...There may be a lot more good will about regarding NAPO if they would bother to post something, somewhere as often as you do Andrew. As Jim pointed out yesterday, we live in an internet age where information can be made available in seconds. Paid leaders should lead and rally the troops.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-1827364418596978912013-08-27T09:46:28.172+01:002013-08-27T09:46:28.172+01:00For the umpteenth time - Napo is as good as its me...For the umpteenth time - Napo is as good as its members make it and enable it to be.<br /><br />Napo is also not the only trades union involved, initially Unison and Scoop(GMB) seem likely to lose a larger proportion of members through redundancy than Napo.<br /><br />Facing its biggest challenges for several generations, Napo needs to be well staffed - three key staff members have left in the last two years. <br /><br />This is "the final week of the current election round for National Chair, National Treasurer and National Vice-Chair." <br /><br />If you are a member have you done what you can to get people to lead Napo who respect your opinions, it may not be too late even now? <br /><br />Andrew HattonAndrew_S_Hattonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09115192522317353139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-80289008084610245432013-08-27T08:22:51.543+01:002013-08-27T08:22:51.543+01:00Perhaps what NAPO members really want is to know i...Perhaps what NAPO members really want is to know if Ian Lawrence's predecessor is off on remedial diversity training facilitated by the Sexual Harassment Panda.<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5I9TWMA4U8Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-32541313315323725472013-08-27T07:56:13.179+01:002013-08-27T07:56:13.179+01:00"It ain't over 'till it's over.&q..."It ain't over 'till it's over." <br /><br />Trusts Chairs will lose their positions, there will be redundancies across all grades from bottom to top – no one will escape – unless you work for Napo. No redundancies are anticipated at their head office – in fact they are still recruiting. Napo's preoccupation is not fighting TR, it's holding onto as many as possible of its subscribers, aka membership. The preoccupations of Napo's salaried staff are careerist – just another self-absorbed clique, selling jobs in redundancy deals - not fighting for jobs and futures for their membership. To Napo's servants: get some fire in your belly and some ice in your mind.Netnippernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-8810914909619950892013-08-27T07:24:13.457+01:002013-08-27T07:24:13.457+01:00Some days I feel just at a loss in making a valid ...Some days I feel just at a loss in making a valid comment. I do feel though, that those who remain blissfully unaware, or still in some denial about the astoroid thats about to hit, will over the coming months start to squeal very loud indeed. Rank wont count for much. Time served wont count for much. Fingers will point with blame and shouted loudly we will hear, "If we were told that this was going to happen we may have been able to do something". <br />Fact is its been there for all of us to see. NAPO could have rang the message louder and ...<br />Been there before eh. Got the week off, might just go and get three sheets to the wind.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com