tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post612854349398152781..comments2024-03-28T12:02:49.472+00:00Comments on On Probation Blog: NPS and VettingJim Brownhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00258147767051200157noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-76396711158392035492018-04-17T00:24:17.307+01:002018-04-17T00:24:17.307+01:00The new private sector security guards working in ...The new private sector security guards working in Approved Premises have not been vetted at all. The MoJ has given a 3 month grace so the company OCS can get its house in orderAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-47452681532390960522018-04-16T08:27:11.029+01:002018-04-16T08:27:11.029+01:00Staff have been held responsible in the past when ...Staff have been held responsible in the past when work items taken from their homes as a result of burglaries.It was the "rationale" for not supplying staff with desk diaries.Nothing to do with cost cutting.......noooooooo.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-60454598942282273812018-04-16T07:16:29.177+01:002018-04-16T07:16:29.177+01:00Divide & Rule - proven tactics of NOMS/HMPPS b...Divide & Rule - proven tactics of NOMS/HMPPS bullies.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-30388896712319597022018-04-16T06:18:36.030+01:002018-04-16T06:18:36.030+01:00Malicious gossip around vetting has led to serious...Malicious gossip around vetting has led to serious bullying issues in North Yorkshire Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-36010494509241625852018-04-15T23:07:52.625+01:002018-04-15T23:07:52.625+01:00Thus us yet another ploy to 'ligitimately'...Thus us yet another ploy to 'ligitimately' get rid of staff. Bump!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-39138523184223508042018-04-15T22:06:48.721+01:002018-04-15T22:06:48.721+01:00Unfortunately my view of Probation is in keeping w...Unfortunately my view of Probation is in keeping with your first description so I will be forced out as I can't go along with this vetting and the direction of travel it is taking usAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-51314804248372187752018-04-15T21:17:38.163+01:002018-04-15T21:17:38.163+01:00Personal view only, and it relates to purpose and ...Personal view only, and it relates to purpose and identity, both of which I feel probation has struggled with in recent years.<br />If probation is an organisation that provides assistance and support to help offenders steer their lives back onto the right track and help them maintain a stable existance (as probation once did) then vetting is not going to be an issue beyond the normal CRB check. <br />However, once probation positions itself, and more and more sells itself, as an agency of public protection, then it becomes an 'agent of the state' and can have no real objection to being subjected to the same criteria that the state impose on other public protection agencies such as police. <br />If you see probation as a service that assists offenders, helps with rehabilitation and are of course "constantly mindful" of public protection, I think you have reason to complain about the level of vetting.<br />If however you view probation as a service of public protection that also provides some assistance where possible to the offenders you manage, then I think you have to accept the level of vetting other public protection agencies are subjected to.<br /><br />'Getafix Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-71026197893071086472018-04-15T21:12:37.534+01:002018-04-15T21:12:37.534+01:00This has "purge" written all over it.This has "purge" written all over it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-31944561495577187302018-04-15T17:55:59.999+01:002018-04-15T17:55:59.999+01:00- Yes. If only we hadn't...put away all those ...- Yes. If only we hadn't...put away all those highly competent doctors for treason.<br />- You remember?<br />- Yes, I do. I do. You know, they were plotting to poison him.<br />- Yes, that's right.<br />________________________________________<br /><br />- If only we hadn't got rid of all those highly competent prison & probation officers to save money<br />- You remember?<br />- Yes, I do. I do. You know, they were plotting against the CRCs...<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-57049685914592792922018-04-15T16:41:42.342+01:002018-04-15T16:41:42.342+01:00The form cannot be processed if incomplete!The form cannot be processed if incomplete!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-7564939821154615912018-04-15T13:30:31.458+01:002018-04-15T13:30:31.458+01:00I cannot think why. If it is, then as usual the st...I cannot think why. If it is, then as usual the staff are punished and made to jump through hoops for probation’s failures. Vetting or not, there will always be one person that leaves their laptop on the train! And Vetting doesn’t make IT more secure, not so long ago I recall reading about a number of police prosecuted for sharing PNC details. They were vetted! <br /><br />Imagine what your probation Vetting coordinators sitting in your offices will be doing with all your confidential information about you and your family??Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-3286595229757228502018-04-15T13:21:22.059+01:002018-04-15T13:21:22.059+01:00If vetting is being linked to the issuing of lapto...If vetting is being linked to the issuing of laptops, then it would be legitimate to question if its the integrity of the I.T systems and software that's driving the need for vetting and not the user. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-87220913529973355802018-04-15T13:14:36.511+01:002018-04-15T13:14:36.511+01:00Reminds me of when speeding fines could be avoided...Reminds me of when speeding fines could be avoided by returning the form completed but unsigned Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-85186767093884714042018-04-15T13:12:14.954+01:002018-04-15T13:12:14.954+01:00“To date, Napo has not been approached by this gro...“To date, Napo has not been approached by this group for comment,“<br /><br />Napo are useless. Approach and keep approaching until an adequate resolution is achieved. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-88092714989526046772018-04-15T13:08:33.556+01:002018-04-15T13:08:33.556+01:00Those I’ve known to fail Vetting were not told why...Those I’ve known to fail Vetting were not told why immediately, some never told when the failure related to 3rd parties. In every instance they were marched off the premises by probation managers. Some returned, some didn’t. <br /><br />Nobody uses Visor anyway!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-72562453537900293902018-04-15T13:02:48.411+01:002018-04-15T13:02:48.411+01:00There's a simple get out clause.
Return the ...There's a simple get out clause. <br /><br />Return the form incomplete and advise them your partner declined to have their personal details harvested.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-37003016226397577272018-04-15T12:30:32.242+01:002018-04-15T12:30:32.242+01:0028\09\2015 On Probation Blog.
ViSOR vetting (NPS ...28\09\2015 On Probation Blog.<br /><br />ViSOR vetting (NPS staff) - This was raised as a topic of concern at the last PCF meeting. Napo took the view that it was unhelpful for all front line staff to be classified as requiring ViSOR vetting - not all posts do require the use of ViSOR a and small minority of staff will either not wish to submit to this vetting or will fail it. Thus to retain a number of posts not requiring such vetting - e.g. those which are Court based, enables a degree of flexibility in accommodating such individuals. This proposition appears to have found favour with the NPS.<br /><br />6. Vetting (general) - This was previously reported upon briefly in BR 70/15. It was discussed again at the PCF on 3rd September. Within the NOMS Security Group, we are told that a Vetting Steering Group has been established and it is this group that will apparently review the relevant Probation Instructions. To date, Napo has not been approached by this group for comment, although we have written to Digby Griffith (Director of National Operational Services - with overall responsibility for the Security Group) to express our concerns - notably about lack of transparency, lack of a clear appeals procedure and what is still a generally prison-centric emphasis.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-83500327539548999862018-04-15T12:15:56.894+01:002018-04-15T12:15:56.894+01:00And those who work for agencies?
Will be vetted pr...And those who work for agencies?<br />Will be vetted prior to placement? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-49271713781553290512018-04-15T11:10:16.239+01:002018-04-15T11:10:16.239+01:00No surprise and as expected from probation managem...No surprise and as expected from probation management. Unions complicit as usual. All strutting around with an “I'm OK - You're not OK” attitude. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-53014495088576636332018-04-15T09:40:00.075+01:002018-04-15T09:40:00.075+01:00Watch 'The Death of Stalin' - therein lies...Watch 'The Death of Stalin' - therein lies the manufactured future society this Tory Govt is dragging us towards.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com