tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post5906107747991633989..comments2024-03-29T13:05:24.150+00:00Comments on On Probation Blog: TR Week EightJim Brownhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00258147767051200157noreply@blogger.comBlogger42125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-77259911721311924522014-07-29T07:32:21.128+01:002014-07-29T07:32:21.128+01:00Serves their bloody right. I'm a working mothe...Serves their bloody right. I'm a working mother that has been shafted into CRC and I have previously said that I feel discriminated against because of thisAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-2654547409428648962014-07-28T05:07:38.440+01:002014-07-28T05:07:38.440+01:00On the issue of Employers disciplining staff for u...On the issue of Employers disciplining staff for using media to highlight injustice, take a moment to see what has happened to a Fire Brigade Union member in Hertfordshire and if you agree he has been treated harshly, please sign and share, <br /><br />https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/save-cheshunts-ashley-brown?bucket&source=facebook-share-button&time=1405886163<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-34605997448285973332014-07-28T04:47:54.642+01:002014-07-28T04:47:54.642+01:00It strikes me that someone, somewhere has got to r...It strikes me that someone, somewhere has got to run a test case. Any more views on this?Jim Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00258147767051200157noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-1369408445812262014-07-28T00:46:58.842+01:002014-07-28T00:46:58.842+01:00I always understood you could join whom you wanted...I always understood you could join whom you wanted but PCS won't have negotiating rights for pay and t&c unless there was a massive shift of members from Napo and/or Unison. Dean and Ian both worked for PCS I believe.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-89253953546124318322014-07-28T00:43:31.823+01:002014-07-28T00:43:31.823+01:00It sounds a bit ominous that 6 firms have not purs...It sounds a bit ominous that 6 firms have not pursued the case though? No harm in contacting Napo HQ (try Ranjit Singh or Dean Rogers).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-80997780019222699942014-07-28T00:37:19.845+01:002014-07-28T00:37:19.845+01:00Napo consists of 8,000+ members not just GS or an...Napo consists of 8,000+ members not just GS or an Exec. Whatever one thinks about the PI there has been campaigning against TR- where do you think the evidence for the "damning dossier" cited in The Independent came from? Members via Napo.If one really wanted to look for an "invisible" union in all this I fear it's more Unison than Napo.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-37364787941905887782014-07-27T23:56:28.016+01:002014-07-27T23:56:28.016+01:00God that's so true in Teesside too!!!!God that's so true in Teesside too!!!! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-46075337501288044512014-07-27T23:45:31.536+01:002014-07-27T23:45:31.536+01:00I am happy to give it ago myself if I could just g...I am happy to give it ago myself if I could just get someone to represent me. Have contacted 6 firms over the last few months and they all seem keen then silence and I don't hear back. I'm willing to pay so I'm not looking for no win no fee. If Napo aren't taking this forward can they at least recommend an employment lawyer who can help me do it without them?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-80349467267834257162014-07-27T23:33:37.515+01:002014-07-27T23:33:37.515+01:00Is that because part time working mothers have gon...Is that because part time working mothers have gone to CRC? Certainly seems like it in our area. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-58055046681092959902014-07-27T23:29:15.353+01:002014-07-27T23:29:15.353+01:00Does anyone know if Probation staff can join the P...Does anyone know if Probation staff can join the Public and Commercial Services Union (PCS)? I note that they often take industrial action in pursuit of their members' interests<br /><br />Simon GardenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-71618646291608963842014-07-27T23:23:41.133+01:002014-07-27T23:23:41.133+01:00The response of Selous reported in the Independent...The response of Selous reported in the Independent was risible. There is not enough information in the press reports, and in any case, such a tragedy deserves full review. However, I have been minded today of the meeting I had with Mr Grayling and my local MP in June, when I voiced my concerns about the risks inherent in the TR programme and specifically wtih reference to DV cases. I told him that there was a cupboard full of unallocated DV cases in a local office and that this was dangerous. His response was that this was a local leadership issue, and that we should expect "teething problems" in the project. Outrageous. We have spoken out about the risks, particularly in DV cases, till we are hoarse, and it has felt like banging my head agaisnt a brick wall. The PCCs have voiced the same concerns. The TUC womens conference was unanimous in expressing concern. Selous trotting out the same old same old is just palin offensiveSu McConnelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-57769084537456612802014-07-27T23:01:33.258+01:002014-07-27T23:01:33.258+01:00I beg to differ.I have discussed this with a very ...I beg to differ.I have discussed this with a very prominent employment lawyer who could quote a couple of cases in law when people did not quit job before CD was considered. It can be argued on grounds of mitigating financial ruin as result of being forced out of job. It was argued in these cases that employers could not simply hold gun to head and force major change. The lawyer I spoke to has won cases using these principles and told me union sol could easily run test case. I have discussed this with high rankers in napo who said it has been explored but they won't pursue it. I am getting so pissed off about it cos I think they're missing a big trick with this. To be honest I'm not even convinced it has been explored properly. Po's in CRC have had their officer of court status removed effectively making qualification null and void as they can now longer perform tasks which just separate po from pso. Why would private company pay po to do pso work cos let's face it the boundaries will blur further so pso will take on dv work , child protection, which in some areas already took place before TR, Po in CRC have reduced status and restricted career based on where sitting on one day. To say this is legal etc must be pure bollocking. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-56480441174154028112014-07-27T22:24:23.920+01:002014-07-27T22:24:23.920+01:00And what on earth would mr selous know anyway. He&...And what on earth would mr selous know anyway. He's only been in the job five minutes <br />JillnAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-61901292481920615102014-07-27T22:15:45.716+01:002014-07-27T22:15:45.716+01:00Now now. You can write to your MP, or email NAPO ...Now now. You can write to your MP, or email NAPO HQ with an anonymised example of how bad work is - or how about taking a photo of yourself looking miffed? In fact, if you really want to take a stand, why not cancel a briefing for MPs or put yourself forwards for a CRC executive role...<br /><br /><br />Simon GardenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-44199866520726973662014-07-27T20:26:37.464+01:002014-07-27T20:26:37.464+01:00Yes-speaking as a Napo rep I'd say proving con...Yes-speaking as a Napo rep I'd say proving constructive dismissal here would not be possible but you can ask yr local reps for advice from Chivalry Rd.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-15796980123620962572014-07-27T19:32:39.310+01:002014-07-27T19:32:39.310+01:00There's an email address on the profile page -...There's an email address on the profile page - am always interested in the offer of guest blogs or just info! <br /><br />Cheers,<br /><br />Jim Jim Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00258147767051200157noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-86565516774067903662014-07-27T18:48:30.809+01:002014-07-27T18:48:30.809+01:00Jim - I work for serco cp. How would I go about gi...Jim - I work for serco cp. How would I go about giving you information to write a blog on or writing a guest blog for you? I think what I can tell you added to the current TR omnishambles could be really useful. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-69783819776113853062014-07-27T18:20:32.242+01:002014-07-27T18:20:32.242+01:00I have spent lots of time ( starting prior to the ...I have spent lots of time ( starting prior to the split) looking at CD and the first point is you have to leave your job as soon as possible after the incident(s).Constructive dismissal is when you’re forced to leave your job against your will because of your employer’s conduct.<br />The reasons you leave your job must be serious, for example, they:<br />don’t pay you or suddenly demote you for no reason<br />force you to accept unreasonable changes to how you work - eg tell you to work night shifts when your contract is only for day work<br />let other employees harass or bully you<br />this is taken from the governments website <br />it is however really difficult to prove according to my research....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-49891580222453796332014-07-27T18:09:45.885+01:002014-07-27T18:09:45.885+01:00If this is the case why are NAPO not approaching C...If this is the case why are NAPO not approaching CRC staff and asking if they wish to submit a claim for CD?<br /><br />Just a thought.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-45399137596517646332014-07-27T18:06:01.052+01:002014-07-27T18:06:01.052+01:00I would like to see him try that one, there needs ...I would like to see him try that one, there needs to be very good grounds to discipline someone and you know what, napo are really good at dealing with this stuff..yes honestly..I know because I faced a disciplinary investigation recently and supported by a v good rep, I was totally cleared.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-43374748711811091032014-07-27T17:32:53.210+01:002014-07-27T17:32:53.210+01:00Read today's article in Independent. The MoJ h...Read today's article in Independent. The MoJ have denied that probation staff have been gagged. If that's the case how come I have been warned to be careful of what I put on Facebook. A year ago Grayling said that probation staff that oppose TR on social networking should be disciplined Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-58554034389282700632014-07-27T17:28:24.422+01:002014-07-27T17:28:24.422+01:00completely identify with everything you say completely identify with everything you say Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-16046564543888914882014-07-27T17:27:16.625+01:002014-07-27T17:27:16.625+01:00Well said Dino. They were quick to respond to Khan...Well said Dino. They were quick to respond to Khan's point and discount TR. Suspect strongly they is more to it; I think the victim's should be requesting an open investigation and enquiry and the finding made public. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-82872886617113054922014-07-27T17:18:55.146+01:002014-07-27T17:18:55.146+01:00YepYepAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-18379184581233952322014-07-27T17:03:49.730+01:002014-07-27T17:03:49.730+01:00If there are vacancies in the NPS have shafted CRC...If there are vacancies in the NPS have shafted CRC Po' s been the victims of constructive dismissal? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com