tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post5513095146864134507..comments2024-03-28T20:12:43.003+00:00Comments on On Probation Blog: CRC Dispute Latest 21Jim Brownhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00258147767051200157noreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-14590677006997732772017-03-16T11:07:00.033+00:002017-03-16T11:07:00.033+00:00https://probationmatters.blogspot.co.uk/2016/10/cr...https://probationmatters.blogspot.co.uk/2016/10/crc-dispute-latest-5.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-13523383460439310982017-03-16T10:54:02.445+00:002017-03-16T10:54:02.445+00:0007:47 It was a dispute to prevent the cuts at 40%...07:47 It was a dispute to prevent the cuts at 40% and unsafe working model that was too low on staffing to deliver safe services. There is a dispute on about compulsory redundancies as part of that as reported already I cannot paste the link here but all the staff terms who have left have been volunteers and sold out their terms voluntarily. No dispute on what individuals do. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-87105789949634043262017-03-16T09:41:30.584+00:002017-03-16T09:41:30.584+00:00It was said that the '83 Labour manifesto was ...It was said that the '83 Labour manifesto was the longest suicide note in history. Well, with these interminable updates from the South West there is now a rival for this epitaph.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-66572822361250777652017-03-16T07:47:25.065+00:002017-03-16T07:47:25.065+00:00The essence of the dispute was to preserve enhance...The essence of the dispute was to preserve enhanced redundancy conditions. The unions failed, staff have left on reduced terms. Something that cannot be measured is not a result, so no wonder it cannot be disclosed. This is typical Napo spin: they ignore inconvenient truths and hope in time people will forget. But, as you say, let's wait, and wait, for the report.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-15449899033850457892017-03-16T07:41:55.548+00:002017-03-16T07:41:55.548+00:00Anyone else think it is totally farcical that an o...Anyone else think it is totally farcical that an organisation called working links who were presumably founded on getting people into employment are so keen to lay off 40% of their staff and move the remaining staff to offices that are no longer suitable for disabled employees? If I lose my mobility I will not be able to work in existing office as loads of stairs and no lift...says it all broken links!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-85690850326279762912017-03-15T19:57:37.922+00:002017-03-15T19:57:37.922+00:00More than taunting many understand the value in st...More than taunting many understand the value in strategy. You ask for a result that most likely cannot be measured or disclosed. I wait for their reports like everyone else. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-80250358596559892322017-03-15T19:52:00.949+00:002017-03-15T19:52:00.949+00:00Well done to you and good luck no one can blame yo...Well done to you and good luck no one can blame you. It seems those who sold for the 30 pieces of silver were afraid weakened and had their value measured it was their choice. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-75202505309068039492017-03-15T18:23:46.043+00:002017-03-15T18:23:46.043+00:00IL was excellent and your meetings were well atten...IL was excellent and your meetings were well attended. So what have you actually achieved?<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-79534113324438980372017-03-15T15:27:42.049+00:002017-03-15T15:27:42.049+00:0007.59 - just to set the record straight (lest anyo...07.59 - just to set the record straight (lest anyone things I took the 30 pieces of silver). I resigned from DDC CRC - would not have applied for voluntary severance on principle, altho did apply for early retirement (as is possible under our policy so open to everyone over 55) but was knocked back as 'too valuable to lose'. Ha ha, so I resigned anyway and now work for a charity that supports refugees, on reduced pay and reduced hours but I am sleeping better and happier. Hats off to those of you still sticking it out - huge admiration from me.<br />Deb<br />Ex Dorset Branch Chair Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-69673954105340278672017-03-15T12:28:38.087+00:002017-03-15T12:28:38.087+00:00Ok so what, the point is it just took one person. ...Ok so what, the point is it just took one person. Your flippancy in reply who cares? Many posts on here are meaningless and yours is a prime example like the idiot going off about soldiers above. If you want religion its full of hero's David was one. You refer to a pantomime what are you talking about? another opinion no ideas on how to explain that to readers. Boring. The situation is the southwest are the only branch maintaining our rights and the NAPO general secretary Ian Lawrence too. I heard he was excellent and present in their well attended meetings. Good enough for me. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-21773659871751769202017-03-15T08:16:15.083+00:002017-03-15T08:16:15.083+00:00Rosa Luxumberg was of Polish origins. Both women w...Rosa Luxumberg was of Polish origins. Both women were part of social movements. I suppose you could have even thrown in Jesus Christ or the Buddha in support of your specious points. The clue is in the word union - it's solidarity that opens up the possibility of overcoming more powerful foes. The stuff in the South West has descended into a pantomime. Tell me what, if anything, has been accomplished - just list the achievements, don't bother about putting them in alphabetical order. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-22913585576486827332017-03-14T19:12:09.108+00:002017-03-14T19:12:09.108+00:00 Rosa Luxomberg Russian feminist Rosa Luxomberg Russian feminist Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-89110554727502505482017-03-14T15:49:47.340+00:002017-03-14T15:49:47.340+00:00Rosa parks !Rosa parks !Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-30114819193228607802017-03-14T12:21:18.305+00:002017-03-14T12:21:18.305+00:00What nonsense: it takes just 1. Like those few Jap...What nonsense: it takes just 1. Like those few Japanese soldiers, refusing to believe the war was over, hiding in jungles for 60 years. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-26202941150242069272017-03-14T00:30:00.276+00:002017-03-14T00:30:00.276+00:00The employers have eaten all the other trade union...The employers have eaten all the other trade union representatives as Hors D'oeuvre. That, or they ran away. We see constant energy in the SW as reported. 23:40 Do you suggest they should be quiet and capitulate? Perhaps you are for the management in the south west? I would have thought every other CRC are glad they did not get the defence of Napo by length and activity. The rep is well known and still working on the issues. Tenacious possibly but still in the middle of the situation defending members rights. If you want surrender don't be in a union? At the very least you read like an apologist and have little analytical skill for the nature of that role. The management in control with inexperienced reps fear nothing from unions your views could not be more wrong. Numbers is irrelevant it only take the 1 ! Yes just 1. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-7461954840900601642017-03-14T00:15:21.575+00:002017-03-14T00:15:21.575+00:00http://www.carolineflint.org/probation_services_ch...http://www.carolineflint.org/probation_services_changes_incomplete_says_flint <br />- this was posted 23/09/16 <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-12598283099788067972017-03-14T00:04:06.812+00:002017-03-14T00:04:06.812+00:00Ignorance is bliss! If you really understood that ...Ignorance is bliss! If you really understood that people like myself have been Branch reps, attended local and National AGM's, stood on picket lines etc..... for over 20yrs and become disillusioned with NAPo on a national level. Local reps have been very supportive, but when it came to the crunch when concerns were raised to a national level, backtracking was evident and many of us left with no option but to weigh up the 'real' rather than idealised options. Sorry to say, have been an union person but see no future for NAPO when members attack each other on this blog and are in denial of what's really happening out there.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-51152673640417121612017-03-13T23:40:44.904+00:002017-03-13T23:40:44.904+00:00You are asking for clarity and yet many on here ha...You are asking for clarity and yet many on here have consistently shot those who might bring some down in flames in a very personal and vindictive way. No one in their right mind is going to start sharing their ideas in public to be picked apart. Many people have abandoned the unions after reading this blog believing that all their leaders from top to bottom are fools from top to bottom. This has no doubt given great encouragement to those who have previously found unions a challenge. They can now look at the 'will of the people' on here who appear to want strong unions and yet are not prepared to support them or their leaders. They end up chasing after wild cards and mavericks who might sound radical but that is where it begins and ends. Very few people are volunteering to become union reps in probation and that is a huge problem because so many have left. Just saying repeatedly it's all a dogs breakfast and we told you so will not change anything. At the moment we need good minds skilled in consultation and negotiating with a good grasp of employment law. Such people are feared far more than those with poor impulse control. Local collective bargaining is now the way forward because the other ways are no longer available or practicable given the resources available. The hard line is only possible when you have strength in numbers and if you don't then a different approach is required.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-35852329812473856192017-03-13T21:38:47.520+00:002017-03-13T21:38:47.520+00:00The South West are the most liveliest and challeng...The South West are the most liveliest and challenging branch that I have read on here. We certainly read there is a union pulse down there. Well done to them. <br /><br />15:54 what exactly did the outgoing GS get in legal costs what are you saying? What strategy did not work ? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-17657339948198852452017-03-13T21:10:29.906+00:002017-03-13T21:10:29.906+00:00Problem is the middle class are self consuming and...Problem is the middle class are self consuming and destroying their own. It is more than class war. We have new internal competition thanks to greed and Tory ideology. With 3 years to go they will savage a lot more from the public services. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-33752053551055712102017-03-13T21:04:39.091+00:002017-03-13T21:04:39.091+00:00Oh ! Yes of course you are. That's the same as...Oh ! Yes of course you are. That's the same as its not me I am just asking for a friend. What point is being made here? Writing in the first person here I do not see the inference you were making. Get yourself a new bone. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-78751159092462848932017-03-13T19:10:55.443+00:002017-03-13T19:10:55.443+00:00How are members supposed to know what to make of t...How are members supposed to know what to make of their position, NAPO and UNISON HQ support local collective bargaining over NNC and SCOGG. Local branches are stretched with too few reps and no cross representing for NPS and CRC. The chairs are silent and don't communicate any strategy to instill members confidence that NAPO is taking a hard line. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-24809357427766153682017-03-13T19:03:48.942+00:002017-03-13T19:03:48.942+00:00That should read South WestThat should read South WestAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-24678258598512793222017-03-13T19:02:53.735+00:002017-03-13T19:02:53.735+00:00You clearly lack understanding of unionism and won...You clearly lack understanding of unionism and wonder who your attacking here the members, NAPO or South West chair? "attuned to the sound of its members"....I wonder what you think NAPO members sound like then ? defeated and sold out by NAPO leaders probably but not this one in South East...What have you done blogger to be militant ? or are you anti unionism ? <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-76480405086357004372017-03-13T15:44:20.021+00:002017-03-13T15:44:20.021+00:00They have been waiting for months for legal advice...They have been waiting for months for legal advice. I wonder if its been commissioned, if Napo central will pay for it. No such delays when the former GS was lavished with legal expenditure. As for strategy - it didn't work.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com