tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post4566607666735927633..comments2024-03-29T14:15:33.681+00:00Comments on On Probation Blog: The Membership SpeaksJim Brownhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00258147767051200157noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-78611297072656301302014-08-24T04:57:56.862+01:002014-08-24T04:57:56.862+01:0022nd August 2014
NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF PROBATION...22nd August 2014<br />NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF PROBATION OFFICERS <br />ELECTION OF OFFICERS 2014<br />Our report of voting for the above elections which closed today at noon is as follows:<br />Number of eligible voters: 7507<br />Total number of votes cast: 1125<br />Turnout: 15%<br />Chair<br />Number of votes found to be invalid: 34<br />Total number of valid votes to be counted: 1091<br />Result (1 to elect)<br />PATTISON, Yvonne/WINTERS, Chris...555 Elected<br />PEROS, Dino .................................. 363<br />BOURGET, Robbie .......................... 173<br />Vice Chair<br />Number of votes found to be invalid: 45<br />Total number of valid votes to be counted: 1080<br />Result (2 to elect)<br />LOMAS, Katie....... 714 Elected<br />ADAMS, Dave ...... 416 * Elected<br />BERRY, Chas ...... 415 *<br /><br />*votes confirmed by recount.<br /><br />NEC Black Reps<br />Number of votes found to be invalid: 96<br />Total number of valid votes to be counted: 1029<br />Result (2 to elect)<br />BHOGAL, Ikki........................ 552 Elected<br />VERNON, Maureen ............... 533 Elected<br />OGWANG-AGUMA, Richard .. 400Jim Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00258147767051200157noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-85343384207046623592014-08-24T01:49:56.662+01:002014-08-24T01:49:56.662+01:00Can someone please post the full election results ...Can someone please post the full election results to add a little more context. I want to know how close the runners up fared. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-18821991376528768092014-08-24T01:20:46.662+01:002014-08-24T01:20:46.662+01:00NAPO did too little too late. I work with young p...NAPO did too little too late. I work with young people who think that the modern workplace is a case of - you sell yourself to the highest bidder. That's it. They laughed when NAPO and/or UNISON went on strike. I too went on strike (I'm in the GMB) but my younger colleagues seem to think that 'terms and conditions' are an anachronism and have no concept that there is such a thing as a workforce -only individuals. I fear that we will have to revert to feudalism before the children of Thatcher cotton on to the reality that there really is a 'them and us'.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-55298997488139074122014-08-24T00:04:41.590+01:002014-08-24T00:04:41.590+01:00The only people stirring up hatred against the uni...The only people stirring up hatred against the union are the fucking union leadership. Turn on the Union? They're working with the bosses to fuck us over. They have turned on US! <br /><br />Simon GardenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-39018335419178346712014-08-23T23:50:10.593+01:002014-08-23T23:50:10.593+01:00I still
Say that we needed Dino at the top
JnI still<br />Say that we needed Dino at the top<br />JnAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-75810526463638331972014-08-23T21:37:54.137+01:002014-08-23T21:37:54.137+01:00I voted for you Dino. I voted for you Dino. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-59636521274571003962014-08-23T20:13:01.764+01:002014-08-23T20:13:01.764+01:00Thank god you and your drivel didn't get elect...Thank god you and your drivel didn't get elected Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-21210444130262602712014-08-23T20:12:02.601+01:002014-08-23T20:12:02.601+01:00I expect the one thing that won't help us defe...I expect the one thing that won't help us defeat TR is turn on eachother and out Union. I wouldn't be surprised on Grayling himself posts on this site to stir up hatred again the Union. And everyone falls for it!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-37436664506037002242014-08-23T18:57:07.065+01:002014-08-23T18:57:07.065+01:00The Napo vote is a vote for Grayling. Well done 5...The Napo vote is a vote for Grayling. Well done 555 errors.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-80696708473466540802014-08-23T18:21:15.097+01:002014-08-23T18:21:15.097+01:00Here here JBHere here JBAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-82698822969372126402014-08-23T18:17:57.895+01:002014-08-23T18:17:57.895+01:00Of course that's a possibility - to be frank t...Of course that's a possibility - to be frank the problem is one of trust I think. It's quite possible that the decision not to proceed with JR will be spun to members as 'the lawyers say the case is not strong'. We all know that you go to another lawyer, they might say something different. What was needed was real leadership at the top of Napo, committed and able to give clear instruction to the General Secretary. This has been absent for ages and, given the election results, in my opinion there's absolutely no chance of it happening now. Jim Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00258147767051200157noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-25024385723473642182014-08-23T17:34:02.780+01:002014-08-23T17:34:02.780+01:00Really JB? Then its down to us to descend on AGM e...Really JB? Then its down to us to descend on AGM en masse, hold them to account and DEMAND that they proceed to JR...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-87997664039350755672014-08-23T17:01:00.619+01:002014-08-23T17:01:00.619+01:00Whilst it may seem people are willing to make it h...Whilst it may seem people are willing to make it happen, I think its because they are all too exhausted trying to fight it, there's demands from all over the place either you get on with your work or else they quickly get rid, that's the fear people are under. I don't agree that anyone could agree with TR, apart from a few managers who want to make a name for themselves. Nothing stands to reason to reason in TR. And like you I am described as being negative well I don't care I am allowed an opinion as they are.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-7679462064159583922014-08-23T16:57:38.047+01:002014-08-23T16:57:38.047+01:00I'm afraid I can't do better than 'I&#...I'm afraid I can't do better than 'I've heard' but my sources are good, the information is mostly correct and for whatever reason, Napo HQ does not want to tell members what's going on. Jim Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00258147767051200157noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-24410181991397953432014-08-23T16:41:15.283+01:002014-08-23T16:41:15.283+01:00You have obviously read the blog. Can you therefor...You have obviously read the blog. Can you therefore explain what's happening with TR? I agree that posters should seek to substantiate, but sometimes truth first emerges as rumour and if there is sometimes a vaccum that nature fills, then maybe Napo should be keeping members up to date. It was IL after all who first raised JR at the last AGM and twelve months on we ain't much wiser about its viability. It is all painfully slow and so no wonder there are speculations about why.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-64359055069801120532014-08-23T15:56:15.293+01:002014-08-23T15:56:15.293+01:00Has anyone read IL's blog ? Comments above re ...Has anyone read IL's blog ? Comments above re JR review not going ahead and money being stashed to pay off staff was a comment made on here a few weeks back and was of the "I have heard" variety. This is being repeated again...someone says something on this blog and even though it is only an opinion and the majority of the time unsubstantiated and some on here take it as gospel!!! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-7661482658872904142014-08-23T15:24:13.470+01:002014-08-23T15:24:13.470+01:00and why post a tweet and then fail to respond to p...and why post a tweet and then fail to respond to people who ask for clarification of it? Plain rude!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-59356969048042652272014-08-23T14:11:54.220+01:002014-08-23T14:11:54.220+01:00I fail to see what a 100% turn out would have achi...I fail to see what a 100% turn out would have achieved?<br />Would it have made any difference to NAPOs approach to the TR struggle?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-61249273961565706322014-08-23T12:46:21.419+01:002014-08-23T12:46:21.419+01:00If the majority in Anon 11:16's CRC are suppor...If the majority in Anon 11:16's CRC are supportive of TR then presumably morale is good and far from depressed. As for IL's 'on the wire', why can't we just have some plain English assessment instead of enigmas that say nothing really. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-41097791343228896732014-08-23T11:29:08.289+01:002014-08-23T11:29:08.289+01:00'I also read that napo are allegedly hoarding ...'I also read that napo are allegedly hoarding their booty to cover paying off staff, rather than using it to fight for members' futures, e.g judicial review or similar'<br /><br />No - not 'their' booty, OUR booty. NAPO is holding on to OUR booty. Our supposed leaders area refusing to spend OUR money to fight for OUR jobs, and are instead holding it back as though it were theirs in order to finance their priorities - which it would appear do not include us and our jobs. NAPO as a business, it would seem, is interest solely in NAPO as a business - working on behalf of the members is not on the agenda. Our role is solely to supply the cash.<br /><br />Simon GardenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-19562866092052990902014-08-23T11:16:26.714+01:002014-08-23T11:16:26.714+01:00At this stage NAPOs leaders, Lawrence and all the ...At this stage NAPOs leaders, Lawrence and all the other professional bureaucrats, are about as much of a friend to us as are Chris Grayling and his pals at the Ministry of Justice. The inaction from our union 'leaders' is nothing other than complicity in the introduction and maintenance of these devastating changes. There have been valiant efforts to make a stand by a small number of local union reps, for sure, but they have quite plainly been left high and dry by a Union hierarchy not interested in a real fight. Look around at the impossible conditions of your workplace, at the chaos and confusion, and the distress and despair of your colleagues. For reasons known only to themselves Ian Lawrence and those around him are allowing this to happen. A campaign that consists solely of campaign bulletins claiming that the campaign continues is not a campaign - as well they know. <br /><br />Simon GardenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-54095426269596907552014-08-23T11:16:17.251+01:002014-08-23T11:16:17.251+01:00Its devastating for me that, with the impact of TR...Its devastating for me that, with the impact of TR tearing my profession to shreds, so few in probation service roles seem to give a shit. In our CRC there's one napo member (me). Everyone else seems determined to "make it happen". My lone voice is treated as unwanted; I'm regarded as "miserable" or "negative" or "destructive". Most are relatively new to the probation world, so haven't experienced anything other than Trust-life onwards. Many don't believe in social work approaches and are happy to freely use 'control' tactics (breach & recall) to effectively bully their caseload. And that seems to fit with the CRC number-crunching ideology. Whoa There!! Before the cry goes up there IS a place for breach and recall, but I don't think it should be used so liberally. Its lazy probation and often an easy option when work with difficult cases becomes challenging. I could very easily set any of my caseload up to fail, then breach them - but that amounts to abuse in my book.<br /><br />Now I hear that only 15% of napo membership bothered to vote at such a critical time. Grayling must be pissing himself laughing. I also read that napo are allegedly hoarding their booty to cover paying off staff, rather than using it to fight for members' futures, e.g judicial review or similar. Sounds a bit like "we know we've lost". Again, Grayling will be practising his moves for when he dances on probation's grave.<br /><br />What a total fuck up. This coalition govt has shafted the UK like no other. Everything has been underpriced, tagged and sold to preferred bidders. The whole of the UK administration is in the hands of overseas companies. It might be referred to as UK plc, but its owned by a combination of French, Russian, Chinese, German, American and Middle East billionaires - all of whom have bought off our elected representatives with promises of riches.<br /><br />Medication time...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-63347903867202715702014-08-23T10:43:21.674+01:002014-08-23T10:43:21.674+01:00dont know, but its not a NAPO blog and doesnt clai...dont know, but its not a NAPO blog and doesnt claim to be. It is a terrific forum for communication and discussion, and of particular value in this respect given the sorry lack communicaitons from NAPO. I didnt vote for them either, but I am not so disappointed by the result as I am by the turnoutAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-58169913384199316102014-08-23T10:23:25.294+01:002014-08-23T10:23:25.294+01:00To anon 09:58 ??? What do you mean by Napo reps a...To anon 09:58 ??? What do you mean by Napo reps and how would anyone be able to calculate how many voted??! The 15% is gloomy enough without trying to think of ways of reducing percentage further!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-44967992588317949352014-08-23T09:58:53.964+01:002014-08-23T09:58:53.964+01:00Just an observation ( a thought realy), but if you...Just an observation ( a thought realy), but if you deduct the number of NAPO reps that turned out from the total 15% turn out, then it strikes me that the number of just ordinary sub paying members that turned out would be actually miniscule?<br />Is that a vote of confidence from the membership?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com