tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post4420686654215039032..comments2024-03-28T23:10:52.046+00:00Comments on On Probation Blog: The Future According to Reform Jim Brownhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00258147767051200157noreply@blogger.comBlogger48125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-32870821560244857462016-05-26T00:46:38.820+01:002016-05-26T00:46:38.820+01:00Disbanding the NPS is a no brainer and could be ea...Disbanding the NPS is a no brainer and could be easily done without any opposition whatsoever. Sentencers couldn't give a toss who writes reports as they are now only interested in throughput rather than justice. The bulk of supervision is now done by CRCs and even though it's complete chaos there are enough mugs who work to keep the plates spinning. NPS work could easily be done in the CRCs as we were all doing this not so long ago. Goves instinct will be to privatise and this report gives him a road map. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-54178381963138858932016-05-25T23:16:35.231+01:002016-05-25T23:16:35.231+01:00Yes, deferred sentences are still available, and u...Yes, deferred sentences are still available, and used quite liberally in one of my local courts - buggering things up for the offender who has to be transferred to the NPS for the duration of the deferment.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-3789011490415460812016-05-25T16:29:38.156+01:002016-05-25T16:29:38.156+01:00Quite hard to strutt around when we're all on ...Quite hard to strutt around when we're all on our knees!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-65251611704487190912016-05-25T09:11:31.962+01:002016-05-25T09:11:31.962+01:00One PO asked me to park his car the other day. The...One PO asked me to park his car the other day. They do strutt around particularly NPS ones wanting to call the shots all the timeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-44829090299301478392016-05-25T08:58:53.786+01:002016-05-25T08:58:53.786+01:00I hear the same rubbish from my manager. It makes ...I hear the same rubbish from my manager. It makes me wonder whether the 10 minutes he actually spent doing the job before he sought promotion actually taught him anything. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-9823748376510666872016-05-25T08:38:36.795+01:002016-05-25T08:38:36.795+01:00Agreed - no NPS PO'S strutting around, but ple...Agreed - no NPS PO'S strutting around, but plenty of NPS PSO's bossily demanding this or that, - magnanimously 'accepting' my breach report as 'adequate'!!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-34182374304980775012016-05-25T07:44:56.256+01:002016-05-25T07:44:56.256+01:00Sorry but I have to disagree. Had the Unions unit...Sorry but I have to disagree. Had the Unions united and members supported them we would have had a stronger voice.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-43208696586519740622016-05-25T07:15:22.725+01:002016-05-25T07:15:22.725+01:00Lol ive never seen a po strutt around. I see a po ...Lol ive never seen a po strutt around. I see a po handle business on a day to day basis with them always being the first point of call - even for managersAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-19206088776305644962016-05-25T06:22:13.804+01:002016-05-25T06:22:13.804+01:00I am getting really fed up with the PSO with a chi...I am getting really fed up with the PSO with a chip on their shoulder banging on all the time about "strutting" PO's. Not in my office, everybody is stressed to death and trying to help each other through the day. And also the experienced PO's are the first port of call for everybody about everything so if your office is like that then maybe they have earned some strutting rights. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-54795035240634275512016-05-24T23:07:27.418+01:002016-05-24T23:07:27.418+01:00Are you really an NPS SPO??? I doubt it. You sound...Are you really an NPS SPO??? I doubt it. You sound like those stooges we've had on this blog more and more in recent years. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-58140255628936489022016-05-24T22:10:55.327+01:002016-05-24T22:10:55.327+01:00About the editor of this marvellous policy documen...About the editor of this marvellous policy document:<br /><br />"An ex-adviser to Iain Duncan Smith has suggested he should scrap child benefit and tax some disabled people's benefits.<br /><br />Charlotte Pickles - who helped design hated measures like the bedroom tax - says the plan could achieve nearly half of the Tories' £12bn welfare cuts."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-37217708232758922222016-05-24T22:06:48.285+01:002016-05-24T22:06:48.285+01:00I don't think anyone begged for a job in NPS o...I don't think anyone begged for a job in NPS or CRC, we took what we were given. I've never seen probation officers strutting around either. The reality is that we do a job with crap pay, little respect and hardly any job satisfaction. Whether probation Areas, Trusts, NPS or CRC it's never been great and the perks are non-existent. Both NPS, CRC or whatever they call us next will always employ as 'Probation Officer' is a dead end job that nobody really wants to do any more. Let's face it, none of us will be encouraging our kids to work for probation and most of us move on at the first decent opportunity that comes along.NPS Probation Officernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-20755907819843423842016-05-24T22:02:13.172+01:002016-05-24T22:02:13.172+01:00Thanks NPS PO but you're wrong. Our data is so...Thanks NPS PO but you're wrong. Our data is sound and popular through the judiciary spread are that these reports are good. Swift justice for all. A win for all. Its just how it is so we need to accept this change.NPS SPOnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-84890775044420668002016-05-24T21:57:32.982+01:002016-05-24T21:57:32.982+01:00Rubbish. As somebody who writes these reports I ca...Rubbish. As somebody who writes these reports I can tell you the short format reports are terrible. It's a clunky template with bad formatting, unnecessary sections and a word count. Even the automatic signature signs off the writer as a NDelius/OASys username, with role not included. Clearly design so it can be completed by anyone, and painting by numbers is a good comparison. I've heard the same, magistrates and judges hate it. NPS Probation Officernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-89050547119751027162016-05-24T21:54:59.169+01:002016-05-24T21:54:59.169+01:00Here we go again....divide and rule. We know Proba...Here we go again....divide and rule. We know Probation Officers "strutt around" but they've earned the right to do so as any tom dick and harry can do unqualifed work!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-42716137841790258952016-05-24T21:54:23.238+01:002016-05-24T21:54:23.238+01:00nps spo, you forgot to add: "cheque is in th...nps spo, you forgot to add: "cheque is in the post, my other car is a lamborghini, dog ate my homework, I promise not to...." etc, etc.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-21104879364361517642016-05-24T21:50:11.519+01:002016-05-24T21:50:11.519+01:00Yes 21.39 does have a point. Many P.O EGOS will be...Yes 21.39 does have a point. Many P.O EGOS will be bruised. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-35032891108431767642016-05-24T21:49:49.143+01:002016-05-24T21:49:49.143+01:00Yes the new reports are pretty bad. The current pr...Yes the new reports are pretty bad. The current practice is that full PSR's are reserved for dangerousness and high risk, short format for everything else. Not heard of adding a bit on the end of short format to mention dangerousness, but I don't expect Judges to be happy with the new format even for the lower end cases.<br /><br />This is an example of downgrading our work so it becomes easy for two-bit 'think tanks' to put us down. To be honest working in the NPS has been okay up until now. Caseloads are high but then they always were. I think the real changes are coming with E3 which is a shame as ithe NPS could have worked as it is with a bit more staffing and resources.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-66696321787783460332016-05-24T21:48:05.963+01:002016-05-24T21:48:05.963+01:00Shut up fool 21.44. Ive all the hallmarks to lead ...Shut up fool 21.44. Ive all the hallmarks to lead Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-17081041469177284772016-05-24T21:44:06.444+01:002016-05-24T21:44:06.444+01:00You have a point. But if your characteristic of fu...You have a point. But if your characteristic of future management got help all. You need to grow up first.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-76244669645790562922016-05-24T21:43:44.840+01:002016-05-24T21:43:44.840+01:00These reports are saving time, money and resources...These reports are saving time, money and resources. Judges are happy with the swift justice being delivered. Its working so thanks for highlighting NPS SPOnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-55950636266783001062016-05-24T21:39:05.765+01:002016-05-24T21:39:05.765+01:00Get rid of thr nps and watch those groveling POs c...Get rid of thr nps and watch those groveling POs come begging for jobs in the CRC. I can't wait to see those NPS POs strutting around thinking they're above the CRC come begging for jobs. If I'm management by then im goining to enjoy saying Noo! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-18431001083664883292016-05-24T21:35:44.837+01:002016-05-24T21:35:44.837+01:00Word on the street from a colleague working for NP...Word on the street from a colleague working for NPS in an area about half way up the UK is that those ridiculous short format reports have been implemented and when there is an assessment of dangerousness asked for by a Crown court, a bit is added on to the end of said short format reports. Judges incandescent with rage at the shockingly low standards of reports being written, all at the behest of managers via E3. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-81503600449183238872016-05-24T20:39:10.329+01:002016-05-24T20:39:10.329+01:00I expect it was a long game that began with changi...I expect it was a long game that began with changing the status of the pbn order from being a special type of Conditional Discharge and got REALLY serious when Howard abolished the pre-entry training and put nothing in its place. <br /><br />The heart of New Labour - Straw, Blair, probably Boateng and Blunket and G4S Reid, and probably others basically agreed with Howard and earlier John Patten. They wanted probation to be just deserts and simply the management of community punishment. They also wanted to deceive trades unionists that they were not really Tories in disguise, as we now know they actually were. Eventually New Labour gave in and agreed with the academics to reintroduce pre-entry Training (it took much negotiating over months) providing it could be dressed up as not really a branch of social work, which classic probation officering had started out as.<br /><br />No we got to this sorry state by lots of incremental changes over more than 20 years.<br /><br />Should probation folk admit defeat and start again from scratch doing voluntary work in the courts, perhaps trying to utilise deferred sentences as a basis for voluntary social work, with defendants who agree? <br /><br />That is if deferred sentences are still available to Courts, I cannot recall the last time I heard of one being imposed.Andrew_S_Hattonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09115192522317353139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-7363030916168104762016-05-24T20:28:04.942+01:002016-05-24T20:28:04.942+01:00Come Brexit and the Tories will be too busy fighti...Come Brexit and the Tories will be too busy fighting amongst themselves for Camerons job. I wouldn't worry as this is unlikely to happen just yet.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com