tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post4169528994253626051..comments2024-03-29T14:15:33.681+00:00Comments on On Probation Blog: Omnishambles Update 63Jim Brownhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00258147767051200157noreply@blogger.comBlogger56125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-52142239832845382242014-08-20T21:03:26.848+01:002014-08-20T21:03:26.848+01:00I don't agree entirely with Anon 07.12. I real...I don't agree entirely with Anon 07.12. I really don't think we can be that confident about knowing how people are doing during supervision or programmes. For recidivists with a poor internal locus of control, who pose a high risk of harm or likelihood of offending, a tag can help to protect the public.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02835387633702641755noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-59112219715562906882014-08-20T07:14:29.234+01:002014-08-20T07:14:29.234+01:00I've seen the future!I've seen the future! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-36819204274089007112014-08-20T07:12:53.910+01:002014-08-20T07:12:53.910+01:00I'm sure many people subject to probation woul...I'm sure many people subject to probation would prefer a tag, it means they can carry on offending without having to really look at what they've done or take responsibility for making the changes needed, or putting a plan in place to manage their own behaviour and avoid making more victims. From programmes or supervision we can assess how people are getting on. With a tag only there will be none of that and there will be many more victims as a result. A tag can monitor where a burglar is in relation to a static object such as a house they might burgle but it won't provide any protection to the victims of those on SOTP - unless we are going to tag all potential victims too. Now there's an idea! Another use for the tagging empire! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-39023273638166669772014-08-20T00:39:55.712+01:002014-08-20T00:39:55.712+01:00Yes, but you implied earlier that we are all guilt...Yes, but you implied earlier that we are all guilty of this, hence my generalisation comment. This recent post was argued a lot more appropriately and you will do well to remain in these boundaries rather than resorting to abuse. Nice to see you are now acknowledging exceptions. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-10815724104132256652014-08-20T00:35:12.554+01:002014-08-20T00:35:12.554+01:00Typo's sorry. I meant to say impact on victims...Typo's sorry. I meant to say impact on victims, direct and indirect. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-59993587074125303752014-08-20T00:33:04.944+01:002014-08-20T00:33:04.944+01:00We know it is down to the person to change. Do you...We know it is down to the person to change. Do you really think we think otherwise. If so you are misguided. An ankle tag does nothing but act as a sticking plaster. That said, the SOTP and the term treatment is poppycock I agree there.It is not treatment and this is named so just to appease Joe Public really. I do think it has assists some individuals in exercising self control by highlighting the impact on but you cannot cure certain sexual preferences or orientations sadly. Hence why it should not have the term treatment in the title. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-29662286752121494732014-08-19T22:46:02.484+01:002014-08-19T22:46:02.484+01:00Give Anon 22:27 a sandwich. I would like to add th...Give Anon 22:27 a sandwich. I would like to add that I feel Probation compromised it's core values many moons ago and any further reduction of core values should hopefully rattle a few cages. I agree my some of my comments today may not have been in the best way but it is mere testament to the way the Probation Service has made me feel. I also know that it was my fault to get into offending, but it is also entirely down to me and nobody else that I have and continue to desist from offending. For me and many of the other assorted offenders SOTP and continued Probation supervision was a hindrance to desistance not a route towards it. I would have greatly traded in the expense of SOTP for an ankle tag. I doubt I'd be here writing this if it were the case. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-76409095617171811232014-08-19T22:27:19.007+01:002014-08-19T22:27:19.007+01:00As a 24 year man, I have to say that our friend...As a 24 year man, I have to say that our friend's challenges to our integrity are nothing more than those I have posed myself 1,000 times<br />'Am I part of the solution or part of the problem'? Much of what we do is prescribed and some it does not sit comfortably with my values. In fact, my biggest fear about TR is not the idea, it is the threat of compromising my core values and finding myself delivering interventions in which I have no faith.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-50109729313273542162014-08-19T22:19:30.721+01:002014-08-19T22:19:30.721+01:00That is not what I was implying, I don't know ...That is not what I was implying, I don't know where you got that from. I kinda meant that in my experience there seems to be those who are very much of the "if it is in the manual then it is not to be questioned, it is the de facto, established answer and cannot be in any way wrong" when it can and is sometimes wrong. There are exceptions to every rule.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-82729527668559915832014-08-19T22:11:25.567+01:002014-08-19T22:11:25.567+01:00Similar to the silence of not speaking out about T...Similar to the silence of not speaking out about TR, just delete and sweep under the carpet. All is fine. I have been articulate in my responses and articulate in my critique of Probation. Others seem to resort to name calling and belittling. If there is an opposing view then they are "Trolls". I'm not against TR, it is happening and it is fact, if anything I am in a neutral position, more so than most on here. I do enjoy this blog and it is educational if somewhat naturally biased at times and I do find some of the articles and responses beyond bizarre. But in a healthy blog (and society for that) all views should be welcome, provided they are not intentionally to hurt others. Keep up the good work Jim, thank you for the platform and eventually I shall use it and please don't let anyone tell you how to run your blog.<br /><br />Best Wishes to you all.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-87341271249295765322014-08-19T22:09:40.139+01:002014-08-19T22:09:40.139+01:00From a keyboard ninjaFrom a keyboard ninjaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-7540311169890239962014-08-19T22:08:37.263+01:002014-08-19T22:08:37.263+01:00But hey I'm not educated and indoctrinated as ...But hey I'm not educated and indoctrinated as much as some of the career Probation people around here. <br /><br />By this you seem to be implying PO's are born into a world of privilege and that this comes easy. I am saying it does not and I could quite easily have gone down the path of so many of the clients I worked with. It's probably a good thing I have never resorted to anonymous abuse with the people I work with as you have done earlier. It's fine though, been called worse. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-72716008004317213292014-08-19T22:01:08.917+01:002014-08-19T22:01:08.917+01:00Don't remove it Jim. Let him dig his own hole....Don't remove it Jim. Let him dig his own hole. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-47664734063688910562014-08-19T21:17:49.003+01:002014-08-19T21:17:49.003+01:00I don't like removing stuff - but will from no...I don't like removing stuff - but will from now on. Jim Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00258147767051200157noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-70103848981197153172014-08-19T21:16:03.406+01:002014-08-19T21:16:03.406+01:00Oh dear - I'm drawing a line here and will awa...Oh dear - I'm drawing a line here and will await the guest blog from our new contributor. Lets move on.Jim Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00258147767051200157noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-86270716573174401362014-08-19T21:12:27.972+01:002014-08-19T21:12:27.972+01:00Jim, you might want to exercise some editorial dis...Jim, you might want to exercise some editorial discretion and delete some of the above abuse?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02835387633702641755noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-40123879489204920022014-08-19T21:09:36.727+01:002014-08-19T21:09:36.727+01:00Two years ? . I doubt it. Two years ? . I doubt it. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-54915862044199037422014-08-19T20:59:55.589+01:002014-08-19T20:59:55.589+01:00What is that supposed to mean?What is that supposed to mean?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-67862864332573717112014-08-19T20:55:24.332+01:002014-08-19T20:55:24.332+01:00Read your printed text. Read your printed text. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-63799931003327622682014-08-19T20:52:06.982+01:002014-08-19T20:52:06.982+01:00Here listen, I'm a valuable part of the statis...Here listen, I'm a valuable part of the statistic of 2 years no re-offending that proves that Probation and SOTP is "what works".<br /><br />I don't see what the problem is? If you are good enough you will get jobs with Charities and Companies that you currently refer your Clients to anyway... they do the real rehabilitation, if it is required, and have done so for a while now.<br /><br />Anon 20:35 you are reading my post and read what you want to read. not that which is actually stated. How am I accusing any of you of having silver spoons in your mouths?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-1194395937785096692014-08-19T20:45:02.073+01:002014-08-19T20:45:02.073+01:00Dear friend. 20.35 . Your comments cannot be furth...Dear friend. 20.35 . Your comments cannot be further from the truth. I am an ex offender who worked hard to make changes to my life with the help of my then probation officer Mr fish. The only silver spoon I had was those I stole. Now you patronising wanker. Respond. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-26267845255147534112014-08-19T20:35:59.265+01:002014-08-19T20:35:59.265+01:00Anon 20;19. Good at sweeping generalisations aren&...Anon 20;19. Good at sweeping generalisations aren't you? Your entitled to your opinion but please take your trolling somewhere else, maybe c-beebies? Don't try and say we were all born with a silver spoon in our gobs. I worked hard to become a PO and never taken a penny from anyone, something I doubt you know the meaning of. We have serious issues at stake here that affect our lives and the people we work with. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-90440667177643387832014-08-19T20:32:16.228+01:002014-08-19T20:32:16.228+01:00A dead dog ? I think not.the service is more neede...A dead dog ? I think not.the service is more needed and relevant today than it has been for years. The only dead dog I can see is a government with not majority or mandate. Who let their ministers note state that a crisis is just but a challenge. Well the areas of the world described by Cameron are not a crisis just a challenge to a significantly reduced armed forces due to spending cuts?. Stand up one and all. We can win. Maybe not to save probation as we know it. But to improve the chance of our offenders to make positive and long lasting changes to their lives and that of society. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-11646208788824666562014-08-19T20:19:51.766+01:002014-08-19T20:19:51.766+01:00You have to convince yourself that what you do tow...You have to convince yourself that what you do towards those who offend does not further damage that person. Prison I would say potentially does further damage, SOTP I would argue potentially does further damage. Give me a tag over self-important Probation people any day. How can any PO be sure that a serious further offence isn't due at least in part to the "intervention" of the Probation service? That is not something any advocate of Probation is comfortable with, that the service that they deliver can cause further offending, indeed it is an issue that is never addressed.<br /><br />But hey I'm not educated and indoctrinated as much as some of the career Probation people around here, you are more than happy to implement the standards of practice of the same people that you also continuously criticize on here.<br /><br />Then again, there are many I'm sure who are entirely happy with their own hypocrisy, provided they recognise the fact and accept it then that makes it all ok doesn't it? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-2654475153330197232014-08-19T19:52:37.845+01:002014-08-19T19:52:37.845+01:00Anon 18:07: Isn't this what probation manageme...Anon 18:07: Isn't this what probation management have been selling for years?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com