tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post3464590510517395801..comments2024-03-29T14:15:33.681+00:00Comments on On Probation Blog: Oldest Trick in the BookJim Brownhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00258147767051200157noreply@blogger.comBlogger45125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-18859542241507086122016-08-29T00:30:50.471+01:002016-08-29T00:30:50.471+01:00this blog is starting to resemble the old Napo for...this blog is starting to resemble the old Napo forum, where is everyone else? This blog should represent probation staff not just union members!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-28211113498754657972016-08-28T21:42:56.763+01:002016-08-28T21:42:56.763+01:00Dino received the most individual votes but could ...Dino received the most individual votes but could not compete with 2 people lumping their votes together to gain victory. They call this democracy! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-90586827219058708732016-08-28T21:08:14.311+01:002016-08-28T21:08:14.311+01:00An independent review will enable us to modernise ...An independent review will enable us to modernise - become fit for purpose and have the best chance to protect our values, our jobs and our conditions.<br />to this challenge and demonstrate we are a capable and effective Union. The decline must be arrested before it becomes too late.<br /> I have the knowledge, the experience, the flexibility, the vision and commitment to bring the necessary change Napo needs.<br /><br />From Dino Peros statement he understood what needed to be done. <br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-50186899957962990142016-08-28T19:56:06.003+01:002016-08-28T19:56:06.003+01:0012.5% turnout?......this very clesarly indicates t...12.5% turnout?......this very clesarly indicates that root & branch reform of NAPO has to be a priority if it is to survive in my view. from this blog I have seen no signs of such a reform just the same old internal bickering & politicking & yet more reshufflng of the deck chairs....members are allowing NAPO to wither & die.....are there enough who do not want this?......BobbyjoeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-2162954965992908902016-08-27T20:51:54.337+01:002016-08-27T20:51:54.337+01:00Unlikely the current incumbents will be confident ...Unlikely the current incumbents will be confident of their amazing win while majority everyone else voted for others. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-82744311567827823262016-08-27T16:31:02.295+01:002016-08-27T16:31:02.295+01:00Surely the more of us Napo members who go to AGM t...Surely the more of us Napo members who go to AGM the more voice we have to vote and make it clear of our lack of confidence in the top table until they start to act in their members interests? Or am I being too idealistic?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-89003889254542038362016-08-27T10:43:40.822+01:002016-08-27T10:43:40.822+01:00What appears lost in this had the election gone th...What appears lost in this had the election gone the other way Chas berry may well have found the most able and strongest support in the officers group to help revive Napo along the lines he wants and claims. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-14895681951058762152016-08-27T10:17:00.774+01:002016-08-27T10:17:00.774+01:00That wave was split across the three candidates re...That wave was split across the three candidates remember the chairs are back but twice as many members wanting change. No mandate. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-85714754404543540682016-08-27T10:11:48.803+01:002016-08-27T10:11:48.803+01:00Brilliant assessment so trueBrilliant assessment so trueAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-33824295475091043132016-08-27T09:12:18.986+01:002016-08-27T09:12:18.986+01:00I'm afraid you may be right. I may be part of...I'm afraid you may be right. I may be part of the problem but I stopped going to the agm a few years ago due to the frustration I felt about the whole event. Top table sitting there seemingly enjoying the (false) status they believed they had, whilst we voted on totally aspirational motions. Whilst important, many were a given to the majority of people, but ridiculous in my opinion to waste time discussing as not relevant to our profession. Reminded my of the film Life of Brian. Everyone then seemed pleased with themselves -unfortunately the news of napo's vote that a motion had been passed for the sun to rise in the West didn't seem to make any difference. All the time our professional standards were being eroded without seemingly any challenge by the unions. Eg the 2003 legislation that a probation qualification not required to complete a court report. The writing was clearly on the wall. <br />I'm still in napo and undecided about attending this year. I did vote for Dino (I'm a nps po not in Devon and Cornwall) because I thought he has showed the gumption needed to bring about the fight required. I realise I'm opening up myself for comments such a being apathitic will not bring change, so I should attend the agm, but I don't think I can stomach listening to Ian talking crap. I'm currently in self survival mode - head down, dodging shit, hoping E3 pans out ok for me for a couple of years until Moj finally gets rid of nps. Hopefully by then I'll be in the position to get out with my pension built up enough to survive on whatever I can move onto. Hey, I must have picked that up from my attendance at the agm - thanks Ian. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-51683185187890025512016-08-27T08:54:55.546+01:002016-08-27T08:54:55.546+01:00Despite the tone of some entries on this blog,ther...Despite the tone of some entries on this blog,there is clearly not a tidal wave of support for Dino or else he would have gathered the votes. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-103878395772737702016-08-27T08:33:33.520+01:002016-08-27T08:33:33.520+01:00Wont be s quorate agm and the officers and NEC wil...Wont be s quorate agm and the officers and NEC will get through napo is on its way and no you wont convince anyone your old tactics have weakened us all there is always a stooge. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-18869260963138195422016-08-27T07:49:16.310+01:002016-08-27T07:49:16.310+01:00I'm clearly not going to convinces some people...I'm clearly not going to convinces some people on here of my motives! However, let's remember we now have an opportunity to defeat the NNC proposals at AGMChas Berryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08041300139127185255noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-59562954098201897722016-08-27T00:16:32.700+01:002016-08-27T00:16:32.700+01:00Tim Wilson you mean he felt betrayed by Ledger and...Tim Wilson you mean he felt betrayed by Ledger and their love affair was over too from that besotted following of the then general secretary to the tribunal Wilson failed to manage properly failed Napo and let the process of TR in the door as he failed to raise a formal national dispute over London unpaid work privatisation. Paving the way to full TR no London dispute as it was all PSOs affected saw the whole lot crash. Taking the course Tim Wilson set for Napo saw the union into the tribunal and the costs are incredible. That debacle opened the door to the current leadership. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-53247287308429738762016-08-27T00:01:28.944+01:002016-08-27T00:01:28.944+01:00Not a practical solution to anything but NAPO need...Not a practical solution to anything but NAPO needs reform urgently to ensure CRCs are represented through the structures in committee by reserved places for CRC staff. The structure now is all public service NPS officials working towards a single entity . No CRC officials this is a credibility issue for the union . Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-2105097929245139032016-08-26T23:55:44.592+01:002016-08-26T23:55:44.592+01:00So we get stuck with the 2 current innefective cha...So we get stuck with the 2 current innefective chairs and a vice chair who stood for election bleeting over one issue in which he felt drove him to stand for election. He claims the current chairs supported the general secretaries position in that we do away with national collective bargaining yet our members have voted for these two incompetent chairs that have achievend nothing for the members since their inception. If your a CRC member your union stands to give you nothing, just as Chris Grayling sold us down the river IL now offers CRC members as collataral damage as NAPO leadership can offer no solution to this sorry situation. Dino was our best solution but now we have a fool of a vice chair who gave no consideration to splitting the votes and a pathetice top table who has no ability to hold IL and DR to account. Neither of which have the knowledge or ability to drive our union in the right direction. Napo only survives because there is no other union for probation staff. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-4805897930598234842016-08-26T23:52:34.514+01:002016-08-26T23:52:34.514+01:00From what I understand of the NEC the officer grou...From what I understand of the NEC the officer group report is an agreed position and is led by the chair. I understand from inside source Dino was a problem, he hardly ever agreed with what was fed to the Nec and was given the label of not being a game player. I don't think he would agree lets ask him 10:16Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-6784886827311753492016-08-26T18:34:49.100+01:002016-08-26T18:34:49.100+01:00Hi there,
Just to clarify, which country are you ...Hi there,<br /><br />Just to clarify, which country are you based in? Cheers. Jim Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00258147767051200157noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-84338228644914813582016-08-26T18:16:56.448+01:002016-08-26T18:16:56.448+01:00Good day ,
I am really hoping you could give me s...Good day , <br />I am really hoping you could give me some advice. My fiance got 2 years probation last week. We have been to the meeting , and condition number nine of 15 generic conditions ( example :shall maintain legal employment ect) states that he shall obtain written permission before getting married. We were planning on eloping after court was behind him. Can they refuse him , can they force us to delay.... I am feeling so hopeless really thought we were over the hump. Please helpAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-91458715606085592352016-08-26T13:16:16.939+01:002016-08-26T13:16:16.939+01:00Restorative Justice in London by Catch 22: https:/...Restorative Justice in London by Catch 22: https://www.catch-22.org.uk/news/mayor-launches-1-3m-restorative-justice-service-help-victims-recover-crime/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-77367301849904438402016-08-26T11:47:29.788+01:002016-08-26T11:47:29.788+01:00The voting system is what it is and of course it i...The voting system is what it is and of course it is counterfactual to suggest any trickery. A PR type system with second preferences would lead to a stronger mandate. It was a close race and all parties were equally deserving to be in it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-9582467830910091382016-08-26T10:16:44.236+01:002016-08-26T10:16:44.236+01:00The Vice Chairs are not a team. Everyone stands as...The Vice Chairs are not a team. Everyone stands as an individual and people can and do hold differing views on issues and have to argue their point in O&O meetings. Dino was part of the Officers group some years ago and would endorse this.I don't believe Chas stood to split the vote personally. Candidates don't know who else is standing before submitting their names unless candidates go public about it before hand.I voted for Dino incidentally as he was the only candidate from a CRC and has useful experience of National office and I believe like Chas he would fight to defend national collective bargaining. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-44111291567597341422016-08-26T10:01:07.635+01:002016-08-26T10:01:07.635+01:0007.43 – Can you explain your metaphors? What coach...07.43 – Can you explain your metaphors? What coach and horses are you talking about? And what water is under the bridge? On national collective bargaining, it clearly is no magic wand, as we know wages in probation have declined in real terms over the past decade. Any bargaining, national or otherwise, is ineffectual if its not underpinned by some industrial power. Perhaps there is even a greater likelihood in devolved bargaining arrangements, that some areas will actually gain in solidarity and be more able to effectively bargain with employers.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-76786460877456046352016-08-26T07:43:05.987+01:002016-08-26T07:43:05.987+01:00Well you might claim insult but you are still in t...Well you might claim insult but you are still in that team and the claims you make are hollow. The Agm may have a say but you will drive this coach and horses through and sit back and blame the membership in the end. All this is water under the bridge what we ought to see now is the terms and conditions of the general secretary rates and rewards in this declining membership and what could a second term for him mean to napo and costs if the last one walked away with over 100kAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-75129434364358757692016-08-26T07:11:19.388+01:002016-08-26T07:11:19.388+01:00Some Napo income and membership figures to ponder ...Some Napo income and membership figures to ponder on from Annual Returns:-<br /><br />2010 £2,232,509<br />2011 £2,203,889<br />2012 £2,153,337 8360<br />2013 £2,014,952 8008<br />2014 £1,940,353 7354<br />2015 £1,745,743 6749<br /><br />Number of voters in election 6231Jim Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00258147767051200157noreply@blogger.com