tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post3323007695199397428..comments2024-03-29T06:40:58.606+00:00Comments on On Probation Blog: Reflections on the Spurr EraJim Brownhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00258147767051200157noreply@blogger.comBlogger85125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-47855237021909656382018-10-15T19:04:21.079+01:002018-10-15T19:04:21.079+01:00Start at band 3 £22039,surely NPS PO OMIC jobs bei...Start at band 3 £22039,surely NPS PO OMIC jobs being filled on the cheap by CRC's. Also TTG roles by the looks of it. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-24822340726468973192018-10-15T08:20:24.626+01:002018-10-15T08:20:24.626+01:00UNISON are not recommending acceptance of the offe...UNISON are not recommending acceptance of the offer because it fall very short of their claim. What was NAPO's claim? How was it formulated?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-64154189595326904632018-10-15T07:44:42.302+01:002018-10-15T07:44:42.302+01:0019:30 - the same 'incredible negotiators' ...19:30 - the same 'incredible negotiators' who agreed the split and did not foresee redundancies and the EVR ripoff.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-87789192585328572482018-10-15T00:29:56.487+01:002018-10-15T00:29:56.487+01:00How to negotiate 101.
1. Put forward your offer.
...How to negotiate 101.<br /><br />1. Put forward your offer.<br />2. Don't move until you get it.<br /><br />It's honestly not rocket science. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-35567496947031613272018-10-15T00:06:03.236+01:002018-10-15T00:06:03.236+01:00Does the Interface advert require applicants to ha...Does the Interface advert require applicants to have any particular qualifications?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-40529515567694858422018-10-15T00:01:47.900+01:002018-10-15T00:01:47.900+01:00That's exactly right 23.27. Tha Napo statement...That's exactly right 23.27. Tha Napo statement that anyone over point 86 will be at the top of the scale under this deal is just plain wrong. Unless there's some as yet unknown reason otherwise it looks like a trade umion is trying to sell its members a pup on behalf of the employer. Scandalous. Now go to bed. You've got some public to protect in the morning.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-76191126091341446402018-10-14T23:56:28.625+01:002018-10-14T23:56:28.625+01:00Does anyone know what a 'High Intensity Office...Does anyone know what a 'High Intensity Officer' is? Or a 'Specialist Services Officer?' It's just that these are the posts currently being advertised by Interserve across their CRCs at the same time as they're trying to get rid of Probation Officers: <br /><br />'High Intensity Officers who will work with service users managed by the CRC, in custody and in the community after release.<br /><br />Specialist Services Officers who will work with service users managed by the CRC or National Probation Service to ensure that planning and coordination is in place to ensure successful rehabilitation after release from prison'Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-80102805894479891012018-10-14T23:27:48.189+01:002018-10-14T23:27:48.189+01:00My read of the band 4 scales(12:21) is:
Those with...My read of the band 4 scales(12:21) is:<br />Those with 7-10yrs from spine point 86 to 89 will be at £32688 by 2020<br />Those with 11-14 yrs from spine point 90 to 93 will be at £34342 by 2020 and<br />Those with 15 yrs onwards 94-101 move to £37174 the new maxima by 2020.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-48876890864304594882018-10-14T21:36:09.645+01:002018-10-14T21:36:09.645+01:001930 no reader here could have believed such inco...1930 no reader here could have believed such incompetence yet here it is. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-18112864425362989712018-10-14T21:19:59.884+01:002018-10-14T21:19:59.884+01:00For me it’s not a question about the failings of N...For me it’s not a question about the failings of Napo we know our employers are awful and have treated us badly for years. What upsets me is Napo trying to claim it is their excellent work that has secured this “good” offer I would have more respect for them if they were honest and said it’s all they could get and left it up to the membership to decide instead of urging them to vote yes We also know that there’s not a lot we can do about the rubbish offer as there no chance of members taking action on this matter Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-30761685272069300702018-10-14T21:07:14.220+01:002018-10-14T21:07:14.220+01:00Nothing at all for CRCs paying to nafo for nowt. Nothing at all for CRCs paying to nafo for nowt. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-70997185377684619562018-10-14T21:03:34.986+01:002018-10-14T21:03:34.986+01:00Napo no longer include genuine members involved in...Napo no longer include genuine members involved in negotiating process. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-49663359149296596682018-10-14T20:56:52.736+01:002018-10-14T20:56:52.736+01:00GMB are recommending the offer. Unison are not bec...GMB are recommending the offer. Unison are not because there's no agreement on progression after 2020 , only a vague undertaking that they'd like to give automatic progression until the competency framework is in place. Napo appear to be choosing to believe that the employer will be true to their word and pay up after 2020 whatever happens. Strikes me that their position is akin to basing a risk assessment entirely on an offenders self report. Not the best quality work I think you'll agree.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-11155263908638487302018-10-14T20:45:20.163+01:002018-10-14T20:45:20.163+01:00https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/oct/14/nu...https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/oct/14/number-supervised-offenders-accused-violent-crimes-rises-england-walesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-18864189002231114412018-10-14T20:34:21.628+01:002018-10-14T20:34:21.628+01:00So, why are UNISON and GMB not accepting this offe...So, why are UNISON and GMB not accepting this offer? They are better negotiators than our.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-47910804343108972952018-10-14T20:29:56.439+01:002018-10-14T20:29:56.439+01:00All people are doing is flagging up the apparent f...All people are doing is flagging up the apparent flaws in the proposed deal. I for one would welcome input from IL and others on this blog, which I'm sure he reads. The official line is that there's a blog on the Napo site but nobody ever looks at it. I think that maybe 19.30 is IL as the use of language reminds me of his particular haphazard style. It's not possible to predict something that's already happened. If anyone can tell me what concessions were wrought from the employers I'd be happy to hear about it. In the meantime all we have to go on is the information we are being allowed to know. It indicates that there is no agreement on pay progression from 1 April 2020 onwards and that anyone in the middle of their band will not go to the top of their scale under this deal. These are two things IL insisted in his reps presentation would happen. Please Ian, if it is you, tell me I'm wrong. I want to be wrong. I want everyone to fully benefit from this deal but as it stands it doesn't look as if they will. As a previous poster said, if it's not fair for all, it's not fair.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-24230113417726272592018-10-14T19:30:12.938+01:002018-10-14T19:30:12.938+01:00All of a sudden the comments are filled with those...All of a sudden the comments are filled with those who, apparently, can predict the failings of NAPO in these negotiations without having been privy to them, and presumably believe they would have done better themselves.<br /><br />Isn't it nice of those incredible negotiators to wait in the wings to let the novices play before providing their expertise.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-59069184043991097112018-10-14T18:58:51.297+01:002018-10-14T18:58:51.297+01:00So can I but branches need motions to help stop th...So can I but branches need motions to help stop them getting pay so wrong. Vote no and then organise a search party to find Napo officials some basic eductation. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-21199270220374612592018-10-14T17:43:47.310+01:002018-10-14T17:43:47.310+01:00I can.I can.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-45554067767671323562018-10-14T13:56:47.495+01:002018-10-14T13:56:47.495+01:00This is just an amazing statistic. Nearly 40 years...This is just an amazing statistic. Nearly 40 years lost in just one year.<br />Wonder how it compares with HMPPS? <br /><br />https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/38-years-sick-just-12-15273620Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-83317698946698759532018-10-14T12:55:01.980+01:002018-10-14T12:55:01.980+01:00I agree. The only reason MOJ have paid any increme...I agree. The only reason MOJ have paid any increments at all since 2010 is because they were contractually obliged to. And they were pitifully small. When the 2020 pay freeze kicks in there will be no increments and no cost of living rises for anybody. I can't believe NAPO are stupid enough to recommend this rubbish Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-51622372264796590722018-10-14T12:21:37.362+01:002018-10-14T12:21:37.362+01:0008.46 here. The unfairness is that nobody between ...08.46 here. The unfairness is that nobody between 10 and 17 years service will get to the top of the scale. Those with 14 to 17 years will be one point shy of the top. That is an eye watering 2,850 shy of what they should be on. For those 10 to 13 years in the differential is even worse.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-74457429572186945152018-10-14T12:09:36.474+01:002018-10-14T12:09:36.474+01:00Last four lines in most opinions. Last four lines in most opinions. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-48515036444253229392018-10-14T11:33:59.657+01:002018-10-14T11:33:59.657+01:00Whilst I'm not the poster in 08:46, I'd sa...Whilst I'm not the poster in 08:46, I'd say it's spectacularly unfair because the new pay points are so unevenly spread out. Plus whilst the top of the scale is being increased, the bottom is staying the same, meaning the gap between top and bottom will be even greater than now. That wouldn't be so much of a problem if those at the bottom were guaranteed to reach the top in 6 years. But there is no guarantee - instead they will go up two small increments until 2020 and then be stuck on £30206 when the next pay freeze kicks in in 2020.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-71492523134359656432018-10-14T10:54:23.157+01:002018-10-14T10:54:23.157+01:00BBC NEWS
A 29-year-old inmate has died at a priso...BBC NEWS<br /><br />A 29-year-old inmate has died at a prison criticised for its "tragic and appalling" death rate.<br /><br />Robert Frejus died on Tuesday at HMP Nottingham, the Ministry of Justice (MoJ) confirmed.<br /><br />A cause of death has not been revealed, but a spokesman said the Prisons and Probation Ombudsman would investigate.<br /><br />In May, the chief inspector of prisons reported a "dangerous" and "disrespectful" environment at the jail.<br /><br />There have been eight self-inflicted deaths at the Category B facility since 2016, including four in as many weeks last year.<br /><br />Peter Clarke said inmates may have taken their own lives because they could no longer face life at the "drug-ridden jail".<br /><br />In response, the MoJ said it had made improvements to the prison.<br /><br />A statement from the ministry on Mr Frejus' death said its thoughts were with his family and friends.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com