tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post3063452494739348088..comments2024-03-28T07:32:23.397+00:00Comments on On Probation Blog: Latest From Napo 131Jim Brownhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00258147767051200157noreply@blogger.comBlogger52125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-31521335330147699632016-12-19T09:16:18.184+00:002016-12-19T09:16:18.184+00:00The Napo leader is one man who needs the support a...The Napo leader is one man who needs the support and talented reps locally to drive a proper dispute. No local imitation no out a hope of an outcome stop bleating sodexo reps. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-53753081520583305212016-12-19T09:12:10.278+00:002016-12-19T09:12:10.278+00:00Local reps did not have a clue.Local reps did not have a clue.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-80908078374740370962016-12-19T08:15:03.814+00:002016-12-19T08:15:03.814+00:00Yea then gets bail a few days later and back on th...Yea then gets bail a few days later and back on the street. 13.42 must be a manager Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-14630955943877679412016-12-18T13:42:12.835+00:002016-12-18T13:42:12.835+00:00The circumstances leading to the arrest for a sect...The circumstances leading to the arrest for a section 18 recall need to be considered. If charged the issue of liberty can be a matter for the courts. If RIC then recall perhaps not necessary. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-12790836385123508182016-12-18T06:48:08.508+00:002016-12-18T06:48:08.508+00:0021:13 + 23:07 - its been said a number of times al...21:13 + 23:07 - its been said a number of times already but I'll say it again, the Sodexo area reps were left high & dry by HQ. The full responsibility for the debacle lies squarely with (1) the employers [noms, moj, sodexo] & (2) the fulltime paid union staff, e.g. Napo GS has always paraded himself as a professional union operator & was heralded as an experienced union official on appointment. Equally, neither Unison nor GMB were very helpful. Not sure what that was about other than maybe probation staff numbers must be a teeny-wee fraction of their memberships & they left it to Napo to lead the challenge.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-80637496740347131762016-12-18T00:54:19.395+00:002016-12-18T00:54:19.395+00:00The Probation Service(s) are to be reviewed by Ms ...The Probation Service(s) are to be reviewed by Ms Truss following, amongst other things, the dreadfully adverse report on London CRC by HM Inspectors. Should the result of the review be further "reorganization" with possibly the CRC's and the NPS being combined again now does not appear to be a sensible time to even contemplate doing away with collective bargaining. As stated by others there is a very clear agreement in place protecting all staff (CRC and NPS) and Ms Crozier is totally out of order if she thinks she can just simply ignore it. NAPO, UNISON and GMB get the lawyers involved NOW to oppose this potential breach of contract. Between you all you can surely afford the best lawyers and let us finally show MoJ and NOMS that we are fighting back and enough is enough. Each time we are walked over gives the MoJ more reason to believe they can just do what they want. Stop it now with a proper legal challenge - no need to strike or go slow or work to rule as right is on our side. If the unions do not take this up then they do not deserve a penny more in subs and their general secretaries and others should be so ashamed they should crawl away and hide for the rest of their lives. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-1012656710712409002016-12-17T23:50:45.844+00:002016-12-17T23:50:45.844+00:00All those SHAFTED into the CRC's got stuffed n...All those SHAFTED into the CRC's got stuffed not just those owned by Sodexo. Is it not odd that most of the comments on the blog are from CRC Officers, those allocated to NPS did not do a thing to help when the split was happening, don't expect anything from them now.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-13876950798755560562016-12-17T23:07:13.884+00:002016-12-17T23:07:13.884+00:00It is all the same we got stuffed no one did a thi...It is all the same we got stuffed no one did a thing. Its all sodexo areas no difference in the reps either . Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-24644422532939670172016-12-17T22:56:17.395+00:002016-12-17T22:56:17.395+00:00Agreed, 22:11. "On 1 February 2015 the owners...Agreed, 22:11. "On 1 February 2015 the ownership of The Bedfordshire, Northamptonshire, Cambridgeshire and Hertfordshire Community Rehabilitation Company (BeNCH CRC) transferred to Sodexo as part of the Government’s Transforming Rehabilitation (TR) programme."<br /><br />Its tough up north.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-68323885872784264802016-12-17T22:11:01.583+00:002016-12-17T22:11:01.583+00:00Sodexo are not exclusively based or linked to &quo...Sodexo are not exclusively based or linked to "the north", although north of M25 is probably "north" to Londoncentrics.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-60399036703082585752016-12-17T21:13:51.754+00:002016-12-17T21:13:51.754+00:0021:08 Napo runs on elected members who don't r...21:08 Napo runs on elected members who don't really have much of clue what they need to do they hide behind committee deceions and we all know you cannot get a committee to manage anything correctly especially when you look at the skill sets of most of them therein lies our problem we elect the wrong people to do an important job and that's why no pay deals no job evaluation outcomes and a split service now looking very dire both sides. In the north with the reps you had no wonder. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-39424581452310112232016-12-17T21:08:57.750+00:002016-12-17T21:08:57.750+00:00already posted 1822 and 3already posted 1822 and 3Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-84558315061565301152016-12-17T21:08:33.435+00:002016-12-17T21:08:33.435+00:00I paid for independent legal advice when Napo igno...I paid for independent legal advice when Napo ignored any and all of my requests for information & guidance during the Sodexo debacle. The independent advice was that I had a case to win in respect of my full entitlement to EVR and the makings of a case for constructive dismissal but... was I prepared and able to survive for any number of years until the corporate lawyers had finished playing games? The advice also expressed surprise that the unions had not pursued any form of legal challenge about the employer's behaviour towards employees. Not being able to face further years of rage & distress I took what I'm not allowed to disclose & left. Whilst doing so I used the union legal scheme (some might say scam) & during one exchange asked the union's legal advisers about the advice I'd been given regarding the NNC agreements, the promised protections, etc. "No comment" was the best I could get.<br /><br />As has been previously asked on this blog, do the union/s have a case to answer for not protecting their members' interests, contrary to the promises and claims made repeatedly over recent years? It seems there have been very ready capitulations, convenient silences, lengthy periods of inaction and numerous lost battles. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-81024960158198398982016-12-17T20:40:21.123+00:002016-12-17T20:40:21.123+00:00Read the below. If all Napo member indicate they o...Read the below. If all Napo member indicate they oppose the NPS withdrawal then Napo HAS TO fight this. Not by strikes and industrial action NO, NO,NO. This MUST be fought simply by Napo calling in its legal team to take the NPS/NOMS to Court for breach of contract. <br /><br />National Collective Bargaining<br /><br />21. It is agreed that the existing national collective bargaining arrangements will continue in the CRCs and NPS on 1 June 2014 by means of the Staff Transfer Scheme. The NNC and SCCOG machinery will also continue to apply to new staff.<br /><br />22. The MoJ has confirmed that the sale of shares in the CRC to the new provider does not constitute a TUPE transfer of undertakings as there is no change of employer, merely a change of ownership of the shares in the employer company. Following the share sale, the employer will continue to be the CRC and the relationship between the employer, recognised trade unions and employees is unchanged. Existing NNC and SCCOG National Agreements on Pay and Conditions of Service will therefore continue to be the terms and conditions for all staff.<br />Napo .... Call in the solicitors!noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-83299248055142470542016-12-17T20:31:14.729+00:002016-12-17T20:31:14.729+00:00Then youve had your head in the sand. Ive known of...Then youve had your head in the sand. Ive known of a few of you 20+ years PO's that are either too far gone or up their own backsides that they can't see the woods through the trees. I knew it was coming, most I know knew it too. The last 10 years alone even with blinkers on you could see where we've been heading. They've been stripping out and dumbing down for years, and privatisations been on the cards long before the Tories took control.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-85276476748444677932016-12-17T19:50:04.156+00:002016-12-17T19:50:04.156+00:0018.22 explains collective bargaining perfectly and...18.22 explains collective bargaining perfectly and the legal obligations of the employers. NAPO have to go to the lawyers for legal challenge. What the employers are doing is illegal - there is protection in place. Protect my pension Ian Lawrence - take the evidence to Court! Enforce The protection we were given at handover!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-73972103555161456972016-12-17T19:40:13.164+00:002016-12-17T19:40:13.164+00:00Had a busy week with staff whinging about this and...Had a busy week with staff whinging about this and that. Come onto the blog and more of the same. Let's be happy. It's xmas!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-8129476398100177572016-12-17T19:36:43.638+00:002016-12-17T19:36:43.638+00:00We're told that all that matters is meeting se...We're told that all that matters is meeting service levels and metrics. Everything else is secondary and should only be done if it adds no further cost. My manager won't recall at all. Even when someone was arrested for a s.18 GBH Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-83649123862326432472016-12-17T19:31:02.858+00:002016-12-17T19:31:02.858+00:00I agree with 18:17 whole heartedly. The managemen...I agree with 18:17 whole heartedly. The management have now been morphed into a corporate identity. If it doesn't fit the "business plan" then can't be done. Unfortunately, we deal with vulnerable and dangerous people who can't 'tick boxes'. Risk is dynamic and was never destined to 'tick boxes'. Some of the decent managers realise this and tow the line! However, there are many that don't. The Probation world we live in nowAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-2538273643401596282016-12-17T18:23:00.452+00:002016-12-17T18:23:00.452+00:00From this the General Secretary and the assistant ...From this the General Secretary and the assistant General Secretary appear at odds. At least Ian Lawrence appears to want to abide by the AGM motion. However Mr Rodgers was in London and endorsed the breakaway position. He must realise in this shady corner of politics that whatever happens the result may well displace Ian Lawrence. Mr Rodgers is clearly wanting to be the new General Secretary? It is shady but a real potential I hope the current General Secretary realise this stalking horse appears to be from within. A knife in the back is easier than a challenge at the fore coming GS election. Cowardly or not I would return Ian Lawrence of Rodgers every second of every day despite his occasional errors . <br />For the moment lets hope members make the chairs do their job and get a legal opposition going first come to members when a better legal position is known.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-16646853304444316662016-12-17T18:22:09.316+00:002016-12-17T18:22:09.316+00:00National Collective Bargaining
21. It is agreed t...National Collective Bargaining<br /><br />21. It is agreed that the existing national collective bargaining arrangements will continue in the CRCs and NPS on 1 June 2014 by means of the Staff Transfer Scheme. The NNC and SCCOG machinery will also continue to apply to new staff.<br /> <br />22. The MoJ has confirmed that the sale of shares in the CRC to the new provider does not constitute a TUPE transfer of undertakings as there is no change of employer, merely a change of ownership of the shares in the employer company. Following the share sale, the employer will continue to be the CRC and the relationship between the employer, recognised trade unions and employees is unchanged. Existing NNC and SCCOG National Agreements on Pay and Conditions of Service will therefore continue to be the terms and conditions for all staff.<br /><br />It seems to me that we have a few problems but not all insurmountable. It would help us all understand how we are here, what is being breached as they drive an illegitimate agenda. Also without NNC the professional association which is valued but nothing of use in a union. The union part of napo the part that is supposed to deal with these problems is confused by the professional considerations and not the terms being destroyed. We need to divorce ourselves from that situation to try and grapple this together as a collective and as such aggressively as members of a union. <br /><br />Ian Lawrence will have understood this position but the question has to be asked Ian ARE YOU RESIGNING over this issue ? It is clear you will have to go immediately because you must realise as the General secretary who sold the members a protection agreement. Failing to safeguard this on his watch no matter what the argument he has to go. It may well be as a matter of conduct and competency for the role of GS on this issue. <br />Members should write all action yes on their indications of course, but the real question is why are we members being balloted at all at this stage its too early. Why show any hand or position we already know what we have by entitlement. Indicative or not? What MS Crozier and her cronies are doing is a clear breach of an agreement that was signed off by the General Secretary and sold to members. We should all be clear to the two incredibly and obviously a disastrous pair of incompetent Chairs is not to be asking membership anything just now. Instead telling us your immediate plans and appropriate and full legal challenge that has to be lodged now. You don't need any mandate to see the issue of the breach of the agreement. <br /><br />AS for internal matters there wont be any point in stating the negotiating team decided this was their course of action. These decisions are on your term of office and you have a duty to protect the members as you got elected to do. The contractual agreements are clearly stated. What is it you do not understand about dealing with it through law plainly. If you cannot manage the responsibilities or not have the strength then resign now . YOU are obliged to protect our terms on the stated agreement and spend napo money on a proper legal challenge. <br />We don't need to consider a strike for an automatic breach of the agreed terms if they actually really try. Members the only vote we need is in the confidence and abilities of the signatures of the notice to members. I think The General Secretary appears to slip by and not be accountable but in reality he will be as will the chairs. In any case we need to see protections offers policies on leave protected and a national pay structure. The incredible and what appears to me at least a gross error by London branch in their foolish position oin NNC collective bargaining signals weakness to employers as they jumped before any force. What sort of union branch is being run there? I am reliably informed on a few people in the room understood the meaning of the vote and yet a national Napo assistant general secretary was there to watch the events and bizarrely then writes in the London branch report? <br /><br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-50114173765722124352016-12-17T18:17:33.252+00:002016-12-17T18:17:33.252+00:00To be brutally honest, there is "management&q...To be brutally honest, there is "management" and there is "leadership". The best people-in-charge do both. Management without leadership is following orders, and administration. Brutal management does not deserve respect, and it will not get itanonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15359540301847252660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-66955522673959985722016-12-17T17:56:31.535+00:002016-12-17T17:56:31.535+00:00I would urge every Napo member to vote in this bal...I would urge every Napo member to vote in this ballot .. we need to keep NNC going to safeguard terms and conditions. We have just seen the new draconian attendance management policy that nps say is going live in Jan despite the unions not agreeing it. Watch out if you have an underlying medical health condition or disability. Instead of making redundancies they will get rid of staff with a civil service attendance management policy . Crc and nps both need the NNC otherwise it could mean staff Getting sacked then rehired on less pay less leave . No sick leave and it will be easier to sack staff . If one crc or nps has pay rise , it would only be in that area . <br />The nps is on a pso recruitment drive and the salary offered is lower than what psos get now. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-55402824644530602952016-12-17T16:41:36.667+00:002016-12-17T16:41:36.667+00:0015.56 You expect your individuals to respect you f...15.56 You expect your individuals to respect you for having authority yet you have double standards. Probably time to think about a new career....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-90164692387550156662016-12-17T15:56:40.457+00:002016-12-17T15:56:40.457+00:00its happening however doesn't mean its working...its happening however doesn't mean its working, ha balls to managers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com