tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post2822429381013700691..comments2024-03-28T23:10:52.046+00:00Comments on On Probation Blog: Latest From Napo 98Jim Brownhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00258147767051200157noreply@blogger.comBlogger28125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-86712600512674086582016-03-12T14:23:41.555+00:002016-03-12T14:23:41.555+00:00Well said 21.44 I would never join unison . They n...Well said 21.44 I would never join unison . They never went on strike when Napo did. If they had done so things could have been different Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-88810539594921571022016-03-12T14:21:26.992+00:002016-03-12T14:21:26.992+00:00Katie has been a great source of advice and guidan...Katie has been a great source of advice and guidance to me. She has explained the JE panel and the process as she would to any Napo member if they bothered to email. The TU representative is purely on the JE panel to ensure the process is followed correctly . Not to challenge what is being ticked etc. There is a questionnaire along with job description provided by employers and sections in JE questionnaire are ticked. Scores are added and dependent on score the banding is made Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-20978814913535342592016-03-10T09:13:42.754+00:002016-03-10T09:13:42.754+00:00What are you talking about 8.18 is this a riddle. ...What are you talking about 8.18 is this a riddle. What are you accusing the Ian Lawrence of?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-41670857402536547992016-03-10T08:40:40.834+00:002016-03-10T08:40:40.834+00:00Union membership isn't about Insursnce and unf...Union membership isn't about Insursnce and unfortunately this view has contributed to Napos downfall too many members sitting on the sidelines the ballots have proven thatAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-78269842106161821852016-03-10T08:36:44.248+00:002016-03-10T08:36:44.248+00:00Wish I had benefitted all I've seen is a stead...Wish I had benefitted all I've seen is a steady erosion of our pay and conditions then the almighty destruction of the Probation Service. I'm not blaming the unions but I don't think Napo had been effective eitherAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-37920099285121216862016-03-10T08:33:20.427+00:002016-03-10T08:33:20.427+00:00If it's true it looks like the employers are k...If it's true it looks like the employers are keeping Napo out of the loop they seem to be running rings round the unions! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-17279845747119683782016-03-10T08:18:08.301+00:002016-03-10T08:18:08.301+00:00Totally agree with you . It has to be a time when ...Totally agree with you . It has to be a time when we all realise co chair does not work for napo . It failed spectacularly once in their public incompetence's but this pair is something just as disastrous. Neither can make a decision without the other so the decision making process is weakened not strengthened. They do not have the right skills for what is required at this time and from what we are reading they are about to leave the Vice chair out to dry as the strength of the VLOs is overwhelming in their anger and the seek out the truth behind what is very obvious to many a real scandal. The NEC meet soon and this will be brushed away unless all the VLOs get a series of must answered questions in writing to the Chairs by second mail out as corrospondance. Send the same to the nec reps and ensure they ask and get the answers. A motion emergency might be a good place to nec because there is no way the two chair could have worked out for themselves and investigation is required to see exactly what has gone here and the spotlight has to be facing the general Secretary as it appears his prints are likely all over this charade. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-36202480808552638912016-03-10T08:05:57.722+00:002016-03-10T08:05:57.722+00:00My comment wasn't intended to scare anyone so ...My comment wasn't intended to scare anyone so I apologise if it worried you. It is simply how I rationalise my continued membership. I don't anticipate needing representation but, personally, I would prefer to have the choice about support and union membership gives me that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-5761939865569442602016-03-10T07:45:07.299+00:002016-03-10T07:45:07.299+00:00The JE panels were made up of local management and...The JE panels were made up of local management and union reps. The bandings that have resulted must have been agreed between the local management and unions. I don't see how it can now be all Nom's fault.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-86627391972945282942016-03-10T06:29:42.219+00:002016-03-10T06:29:42.219+00:0022.40 get off one scaring people. Trust me your ho...22.40 get off one scaring people. Trust me your house insurance is different. You will actually get a payout. With local and national representation.... good luck with that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-72928746250462620542016-03-09T23:00:13.848+00:002016-03-09T23:00:13.848+00:00C'mon 22:26. GS aside, don't take your bal...C'mon 22:26. GS aside, don't take your ball home, have a kick around with the rest of us. With your attacking flare, who knows, we may score a few more goals. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-43321421960724893312016-03-09T22:49:12.663+00:002016-03-09T22:49:12.663+00:00Well I thought I had better try and defend our app...Well I thought I had better try and defend our appalling record and stick up for us a little did you like it? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-2072649467869617872016-03-09T22:40:29.554+00:002016-03-09T22:40:29.554+00:00I view my union membership rather like my house in...I view my union membership rather like my house insurance. I very much hope I will never need to make a claim but will continue to pay it for the safeguards it might provide. Bonus is, I have benefited from national negotiations over the years.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-59507068059771008992016-03-09T22:40:18.598+00:002016-03-09T22:40:18.598+00:00There is nothing on the NAPO website about the pay...There is nothing on the NAPO website about the payment of increments being paid nor about them being a year late. The news is given on the NOMs site as part of the prison service pay settlement. Probation is not mentioned!<br /> There is nothing for those already top of the scale .thats another pay cut!<br />There is no comment about the 3% pay claim.whats happened to that.<br />The questions are many, but the answers are few. NAPO, speak to your members!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-61120015111057229232016-03-09T22:26:28.985+00:002016-03-09T22:26:28.985+00:00Disagree. Pocket the savings and use the only to g...Disagree. Pocket the savings and use the only to get a gym membership or something for you. Napo is a waste of money paying 79k for a GS who is ineffective.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-19294243444900116432016-03-09T22:13:29.682+00:002016-03-09T22:13:29.682+00:00Hi 21:44. Not keen on some of your rhetoric but su...Hi 21:44. Not keen on some of your rhetoric but support your message about staying the course with NAPO. Their will come a time, for many, when having a NAPO union representative at your side will be worth every single penny. But then being a part of a union such as NAPO is about more than 'what is in it for me' but using the power of our collective voices to have those ideas heard with a belief that we can make a positive difference. Priceless. I can say without hesitation that my local NAPO representation have made significant headway in representing members views and achieved some notable successes in very difficult times. Join NAPO, increase our representative power, make a difference.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-83894467621887849322016-03-09T21:55:41.841+00:002016-03-09T21:55:41.841+00:0021.44 Ian what your doing up this time of night 21.44 Ian what your doing up this time of night Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-73409737618679132732016-03-09T21:44:18.975+00:002016-03-09T21:44:18.975+00:00I don't think that is fair. Napo are in diffic...I don't think that is fair. Napo are in difficulty may well be a feeling amongst many they are poorly led or in my view not well supervised by the most ineffective and least able officers group ever bar a few. But the that is not what we need to focus on as the elections are coming and we have to get rid of all of them. The key to survival is still to join the union NOT UNISON. They are useless in they let poor old napo fund all the actions and would have heartily grabbed the credit as they always do and spend zero on their membership. Unison representation is worse than crap and their members are the shop stewards they term are small team of ineffectual people. Ok no love for do nothing at all unison. But NAPO try badly as it is sometimes the subs fund a range of good things and we won lots of issues in better days. Its not all NAPOs making we are in a second tory terms and the sad reality is that members elect leadership that has not demonstrated any political capacity. The sell off started by failed previous chairs who have skulked away and wont take any ownership of the decisions they made despite the warning they argued against. More than stupid . Anyway membership needs to be dense in number in teams and act solidly in rejections of what is happening. Blaming Napo however multiple is not the best thought process but foolishly napo blamed its members. It is apathy but it is also the failure to understand or be given the key messages on what we have to do in order not to have gotten here. Well look back the chairs elected have all been driven by a title and lack any union capacities and they got elected. This includes all the previous chairs who had no difficulty in making mistakes as they were ending their term and beset Ian Lawrence and replacements with a royal mess. If you want to have a better chance of surviving longer term its not leaving napo It is now time to join Napo swell the numbers re unite in the cauyse of solidarity and work as a collective so the unified power we have will give the leadership confidence to tell Unison the vultures to FO and then concentrate our collective voice on the NPS thieves and the despicable politics of crime for profits CRCs. Yes I know you wont like this but argue the merits . Join Napo Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-70534762715441573982016-03-09T20:46:20.685+00:002016-03-09T20:46:20.685+00:00Seriously. Think long and hard about all the money...Seriously. Think long and hard about all the money you've paid into NAPO since you joined. Calculate it up and seriously reflect on what you've got out of NAPO for the costs you've incurred. I did this and left NAPO the next day especially as I honestly received nothing more than those not in NAPO Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-84394542186795131402016-03-09T20:11:57.703+00:002016-03-09T20:11:57.703+00:00Why does every Napo communication have to include ...Why does every Napo communication have to include a paragraph on membership payments and direct debit?<br /><br />If Napo wants more members it needs to act as a better Union and improve its defence of probation. It should also drop its price to say £10 per month, and even this is too much to pay for nothing!Probation Officernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-30989504439023735812016-03-09T20:06:51.341+00:002016-03-09T20:06:51.341+00:00I agree with 18:33 we need a clear out at Napo if ...I agree with 18:33 we need a clear out at Napo if there's any chance of rebuilding the union it's such a shame to watch it make one mistake after another Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-64102005763185438202016-03-09T19:36:11.188+00:002016-03-09T19:36:11.188+00:00Not there as they wont spend a dime on a member an...Not there as they wont spend a dime on a member and write us properly look at the recruitment pre Christmas farce. Too little too late. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-64934533217001665412016-03-09T19:30:17.501+00:002016-03-09T19:30:17.501+00:00Anyone with a second brain cell knows that NAPO ha...Anyone with a second brain cell knows that NAPO have not played a straight game on this JE exercise as many questions were raised beforehand and they ignored their fee paying bosses. It is now going to bite them. Any of the NAPO job evaluators looking for an election outcome then ? I don't fancy your chances after this fiasco and who led you into this and they will let you down as we ask the questions and discover the sham. More to come more to come. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-22525572231663771172016-03-09T19:16:41.565+00:002016-03-09T19:16:41.565+00:00For those who were squeezd out & robbd blind b...For those who were squeezd out & robbd blind by Sodexo under severance, what happens to their portion of their legally entitled 2015 increment?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-38360273952507868422016-03-09T18:52:29.374+00:002016-03-09T18:52:29.374+00:00Where does our monthly Union fees actually go?????...Where does our monthly Union fees actually go??????<br />Answers on the back of a postage stamp please. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com