tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post2584351638576155426..comments2024-03-28T23:10:52.046+00:00Comments on On Probation Blog: Minister Torpedoed by Own DepartmentJim Brownhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00258147767051200157noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-63435229905360842312017-12-20T11:02:49.956+00:002017-12-20T11:02:49.956+00:00Liddington is not well regarded by his department ...Liddington is not well regarded by his department but not detested as much as Grayling was. I have a couple of acquaintances that work at the MoJ who said that very few of any staff supported TR and fully realised that the split was a disaster. Their advice was either all private or all public so Grayling was going to go all private then some people in MoJ & NOMS pointed out that the supervision of the most serious offenders should not be given to the private sector because it would expose the government to accusations of dodging responsibilities. Grayling was swayed by the arguments to split as this was the safest option for him politically whilst satisfying ideological interests he read in the bluffers guide to Hayek. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-51214408007945353842017-12-19T19:04:07.852+00:002017-12-19T19:04:07.852+00:00I think now its pretty safe to assume that sending...I think now its pretty safe to assume that sending anyone to one of these inhumane hell holes is going to affect their mental health. Sending someone in or especially back who has a health issue WILL result in that issue getting worse or much worse or even fatal. Why should YOU therefore not be prosecuted for assault-to-manslaughter as you are knowingly inflicting that suffering.<br />Why should you not feel the full force of the law? after all you can no longer say you are not an accessory, can you?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-35582697695535698142017-12-19T13:31:58.131+00:002017-12-19T13:31:58.131+00:00Or, 13:01, perhaps it IS a consideration but done ...Or, 13:01, perhaps it IS a consideration but done anyway? Not by everyone, probably not by many, but likely by some. It may be out of frustration? Maybe out of spite? Maybe to save their own neck? Maybe because they've truly run out of options?<br /><br />Also, don't assume all probation staff are squeaky clean, professionally competent &/or full of good intentions. I've known some pretty vindictive incompetent POs in my time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-1987211670833204852017-12-19T13:22:41.749+00:002017-12-19T13:22:41.749+00:0013,01 What evidence to you have that such consider...13,01 What evidence to you have that such considerations inform assumptions. Have you ever come across a recall decision being stalled because of prison condition?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-42155068464514024612017-12-19T13:01:11.407+00:002017-12-19T13:01:11.407+00:0012;07
You make the assumption that recall to cond...12;07<br /><br />You make the assumption that recall to conditions described above isn't a consideration. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-80266675720516687582017-12-19T12:07:46.141+00:002017-12-19T12:07:46.141+00:00do Probation staff, now at least, actually realise...do Probation staff, now at least, actually realise that recalling people back into these conditions is bloody barbaric. Yes, understood that recall is apt in some extreme cases, however the majority of recall are not done to prevent a known imminent risk. Most recalls rely on that essential tool, the Probation Officers Crystal Ball and come from a back covering/need to do some thing now place.<br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-88864156351396234942017-12-19T09:52:17.277+00:002017-12-19T09:52:17.277+00:00Those resident at HMP Liverpool are there because ...Those resident at HMP Liverpool are there because there's consequences attached to the decisions they've made.<br />It's high time that consequences were attached to the decisions made by politicians, particularly when their decisions are responsible for suicide, selfharm, and even murder.<br />It's true what the ex-con says, if you kept an animal in those conditions you'd be prosecuted and banned from keeping animals probably for life.<br />Health care is provided by a private company, maintenance is provided by a private company, and they should be held to account for their failings.<br />When prisoners are involved in disturbances the MoJ always say,<br />"this behaviour will not be tolerated, and those involved will feel the full force of the law."<br />But if you're forced to sleep in a cell, with piss a covered floor, exposed and dangerous electrical wiring, rats and cockroaches crawling about, written complaints being ignored, then the full force of the law seems a bit harsh to me.<br />I'm pleased the report was leaked, and pleased at the timing. I get fed up of seeing Sam Gymah and Dominic Rabb being sent out to answer questions in parliament or the select committee and nothing getting done.<br />Where's the consequences for those who allowed this to happen? And who's going to put it right?<br /><br />'Getafix Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-25949341160802656302017-12-19T09:23:27.422+00:002017-12-19T09:23:27.422+00:00Correction *gaols NOT fails.Correction *gaols NOT fails.Andrew_S_Hattonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09115192522317353139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-56497488915207601372017-12-19T09:22:03.096+00:002017-12-19T09:22:03.096+00:00Plenty of folk know about this already, the Inspec...Plenty of folk know about this already, the Inspection was three months ago. There are hundreds of officials in and out of the place , one of the UK's largest fails, every week. Why had there not been debate after question after debate in HM Parliament already?Andrew_S_Hattonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09115192522317353139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-45851519425462739842017-12-19T09:02:20.560+00:002017-12-19T09:02:20.560+00:00Lidlington has just been rolled out on Sky news to...Lidlington has just been rolled out on Sky news to talk about today's cabinet meeting about Brexit.<br />There's obviously so much division in the Tory party they can't find anyone else that won't contradict official policy, upset other ministers, or mug the PM off.<br />Lidington stays well clear of the media usually, but that approach has brought him the short straw today. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com