tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post1548295931155305362..comments2024-03-28T07:32:23.397+00:00Comments on On Probation Blog: Serious Further Offence 4Jim Brownhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00258147767051200157noreply@blogger.comBlogger46125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-5169312929161001382016-05-16T22:39:20.923+01:002016-05-16T22:39:20.923+01:00"Many staff described de-skilling and ‘deprof..."Many staff described de-skilling and ‘deprofessionalism’ since the service split and the TR reforms"<br /><br />http://touchstoneblog.org.uk/2016/05/unaccountable-providers-service-chaos-workforce-pushed-limit-probation-reforms/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-43684183891941348842016-05-16T20:40:00.629+01:002016-05-16T20:40:00.629+01:00Psos are not dummies they do the job they are told...Psos are not dummies they do the job they are told the dummies must the ones they deleted from delivering this work. They and showed anyone dummy can do it. Now look on dummy as it wont be long before they will be doing all that you just mentioned wait and see. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-36352555707904184292016-05-16T14:03:26.424+01:002016-05-16T14:03:26.424+01:00Many PSOs are trained - but some are not. I know o...Many PSOs are trained - but some are not. I know of two SFOs where the PSOs hadn't been trained in OASys or Risk. Unacceptable for public protection and for the PSO.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-195755466467562432016-05-16T09:38:13.730+01:002016-05-16T09:38:13.730+01:00wont do a thing Labour wrote the privatisation cla...wont do a thing Labour wrote the privatisation clause and the general secretary at that time clearly failed to challenge the blueprint of our demise. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-12314193345077530422016-05-16T09:34:39.312+01:002016-05-16T09:34:39.312+01:00CRC its in the title no probation anywhere not see...CRC its in the title no probation anywhere not seen in the name not in practice anymore. The few officers are struggling to identify with any practice NPS snubbing their own side out of the game and they are for the same route themselves shortly. Then you can all stop whinging for something you failed to protect it was called strike but you didn't do it in number led by idiots and not supported by a joint unions approach wake up. The unions failed to get the importance and reality across because they did not understand it themselves now look failed agreements broken promises and less room to function in privatisation and defragmented NPS.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-17852699314382692792016-05-16T07:11:20.505+01:002016-05-16T07:11:20.505+01:00Seems a key concept: safeguarding - why was he all...Seems a key concept: safeguarding - why was he allowed to live with his mother given his violent history towards his parents? As the PCC noted: "For them to be in the same space together does seem to me to be questionable and I think we have to work out what we can do better around safeguarding." <br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-929618745483337732016-05-16T06:26:31.366+01:002016-05-16T06:26:31.366+01:00http://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/may/16/rio...http://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/may/16/riot-squads-called-into-prisons-on-daily-basis-mps-hearAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-22846381678222342432016-05-16T05:57:41.766+01:002016-05-16T05:57:41.766+01:00South Yorks CRC encouraged RO's to breach last...South Yorks CRC encouraged RO's to breach last month. This month we have to run breaches through management first. We've been told we are breaching too much and the system cannot cope with the volume. Meanwhile TR has impacted on UPW. We now have very poor compliance rate, but we have to cut down on our breaches. Senior managers are leaving the CRC and we still have not got a model that works!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-40472699949265675362016-05-16T01:41:27.820+01:002016-05-16T01:41:27.820+01:00Thinking about this, the buck actually stops with ...Thinking about this, the buck actually stops with Michael Gove. If the prison/probation system is failing and people are dying then the man at the top should be required to step down. <br /><br />Now that Sadiq Khan is London Mayor will he continue to stand up for probation? Let's hear from him on prisons/probation in London, and I do mean HMP and NPS, not all that shite coming out of the CRC and it's useless partnerships in Rise, Penrose, Catch 22, Safer London, etc!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-39635787202759964132016-05-16T01:33:27.631+01:002016-05-16T01:33:27.631+01:00Rubbish. Not anyone can write a good pre sentence ...Rubbish. Not anyone can write a good pre sentence report. The new short format report is a template for dummies aimed at those that cannot write reports. This is why they will not let PSO's officially loose on writing complex reports on the high risk and dangerous cases. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-65871692945476369012016-05-16T01:29:34.163+01:002016-05-16T01:29:34.163+01:00I doubt the probation officer title will disappear...I doubt the probation officer title will disappear. As it stands PO's have and always have done more than what a PSO would do. In fact the PSO's were fools for allowing themselves to do PO work without the training, qualifications or pay. From what I see the NPS and CRC's are milking this and are set to replace PSO roles with minimum wage roles. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-34952487333207834022016-05-16T01:11:47.793+01:002016-05-16T01:11:47.793+01:00Blame the tories grayling the socialist democrats ...Blame the tories grayling the socialist democrats scum and the liars in parliament who duplicitous double speak saw the TR in the weak who let it in and the fools who prop it up but we should not look to blame the poor soul who held the case. managing on Crap IT over work schedules and no workload measurements. CRC led targets NPS in a mess and more to slip through any preventable issues that mioght have been picked up by the experienced and skilled those with practice and some vested vocational qualification and training of professionalism and pride. OH sorry rewind 2 3 years for that. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-2827076770096554522016-05-16T01:04:04.417+01:002016-05-16T01:04:04.417+01:00Anyone can write reports they are not difficult bu...Anyone can write reports they are not difficult but doing them with a lot of the word Thus you need to be qualified as a PO as the word thus is full of the sort old leaning of pretentious rubbish they rely on to pretend reports are more than a fact report on a range of pre determined issues. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-34903194463648130632016-05-16T01:00:00.853+01:002016-05-16T01:00:00.853+01:00Wrong the employer sets the work and what old tosh...Wrong the employer sets the work and what old tosh POs used to do they are not doing now. Pso s do all the same jobs and in the main do them well without all that pretentious snobbery of being a CQSW or Dipsw and the recent degree. None of these are relevant for the jobs required today. Don't get me wrong I have sympathy for you all PO grades as the recent bout of SFOs have been supervised by some really inadequately non experienced PSOs led by equally poor management of worse ilk. <br />POs have only themselves to blame no role boundary insistence doing extra work on sly with NPS reports until PSO were slotted in and now totally discarded. The worst is yet to come and PO as a title will soon be gone sorry. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-44453122694740447982016-05-15T23:55:30.494+01:002016-05-15T23:55:30.494+01:00Please don't feel ashamed, it's not your f...Please don't feel ashamed, it's not your fault. Are you getting enough support? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-51187666721088291672016-05-15T23:23:14.569+01:002016-05-15T23:23:14.569+01:00The response is more complex than just a wish to a...The response is more complex than just a wish to apportion blame. It is more the horror of the 'preventable accident', which I knew all about yet hadn't been able to stop. And being associated with it, therefore, by default, I feel ashamed. <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-27337236636631566102016-05-15T22:41:55.901+01:002016-05-15T22:41:55.901+01:00It really should be a focus on what we can learn f...It really should be a focus on what we can learn from this, not who can be blamed. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-75444516941863319512016-05-15T21:48:18.243+01:002016-05-15T21:48:18.243+01:00Final thought: The sad thing is that we are readin...Final thought: The sad thing is that we are reading about a poor mother brutally murdered by her deranged son. Here we are, the rehabilitation professionals and soon the justice agencies and media, arguing over which of us should be blamed. It's a shame really that this is the low level what TR has brought us too. And I'm sure there are even some out there rubbing their hands in glee because this woman is dead and now they have a bit more evidence that TR is a failure and Chris Grayling was an ass. We already knew this tenfold. The truth is this man would have probably offended in this grave manner no matter who and where he was supervised. My main observation is that yes he was on licence from prison which means that imprisonment didn't work in the first place as a punishment, deterrent or rehabilitative measure. While we blame the poor apparent PSO/receptionist, who is answering the real questions about the fact that we have a spiralling imprisonment rate even though prison does not work. The only thing arguably working about prison is to incapacitate the most grave offenders serving double figures to life, or maybe even just those serving whole life sentences. From the point he was released on licence he was an accident waiting to happen, and it did. In this era of dumbed down pre sentence reports, a lack of suitably qualified AND experianced staff, and prisons comparable to cesspits, I suppose the buck will stop with the manager / Senior Probation Officer that allocated the case. Probation Officernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-54312664484548615042016-05-15T21:33:18.838+01:002016-05-15T21:33:18.838+01:00Whilst there may well be an Serious Further Offenc...Whilst there may well be an Serious Further Offence investigation, it appears that the Brett Rogers case is likely to also fall under the remit of a Domestic Homicide Review which will look at what lessons can be learnt from all agencies involved with the case so not just NPS/CRC and the report should be published. <br /><br />https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/revised-statutory-guidance-for-the-conduct-of-domestic-homicide-reviewsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-86701787555991380302016-05-15T20:59:28.167+01:002016-05-15T20:59:28.167+01:00PPOs have all been un-nominated in my CRC area - s...PPOs have all been un-nominated in my CRC area - suitable after sentence but NPS and police have now cancelled them saying they don't meet the criteria. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-81622878014816232012016-05-15T20:55:39.454+01:002016-05-15T20:55:39.454+01:00If the sentence was 12 months or more he would be ...If the sentence was 12 months or more he would be a Category 2 MAPPA case and thus automatically allocated to NPS. <br />If his sentence was under twelve months then it would depend on whether he was assessed as high risk or not. If he was assessed as high risk he would have gone to NPS. If he wasn't he would have gone to CRC.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-69531977825033811502016-05-15T20:31:22.870+01:002016-05-15T20:31:22.870+01:00As far as figures are concerned it will probably a...As far as figures are concerned it will probably appear that there are less a sfo's post TR due to change of criteria. No sfo on a case of stabbing because he was convicted of gbh with intent.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-42492145052800075302016-05-15T20:24:55.067+01:002016-05-15T20:24:55.067+01:00It's really difficult to get cases escalated t...It's really difficult to get cases escalated to nps. I feel sorry for the person who was managing this case, she/he must feel terrible. Let's not forget that whatever his/her background it is the system and hierarchy that is responsible for the allocation of this case. The ongoing chaos that we experience on a daily basis and lack of<br />resources following TR makes it impossible to manage cases effectively.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-71417188414875053782016-05-15T20:17:24.420+01:002016-05-15T20:17:24.420+01:00BBC website:-
A newly elected police commissioner...BBC website:-<br /><br />A newly elected police commissioner says a decision to house a violent man with his mother he later murdered was "questionable".<br /><br />Brett Rogers was jailed for 32 years on Friday for murdering his mother and her friend in Stansted Mountfitchet. At the time of the killings in 2015, Rogers was on licence from prison for an assault on his father. Roger Hirst, the newly appointed Essex police and crime commissioner (PCC), has called for a review of the case.<br /><br />Rogers' mother Gillian Phillips, 54, and David Oakes, 60, had more than 40 stab wounds each when police found them at her home in Stansted Mountfitchet. He was living with his mother in the months after he was released from prison.<br /><br />Mr Hirst, a Conservative PCC, has asked the Essex Criminal Justice Board to review the case. "The system doesn't look to have been good enough," he said. "We are looking here particularly at how we can handle probation better - a guy being out on licence like this and to make sure they are not put into a situation where the risk to those around them is this high."<br /><br />"For them to be in the same space together does seem to me to be questionable and I think we have to work out what we can do better around safeguarding."<br /><br />Tanya Bassett, of the National Association of Probation Officers, said: "These sorts of cases are very, very rare. The huge majority of prisoners that are released during their custodial sentence don't go on to carry out serious further offences." <br /><br />Chelmsford Crown Court heard Brett Rogers was jailed in 2012 for breaking his father's eye socket. Rogers, 23, was found at his mother's home in Bentfield Gardens after the attacks laughing and covered in blood.Jim Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00258147767051200157noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8578343158425987632.post-29901738062850475062016-05-15T20:01:45.188+01:002016-05-15T20:01:45.188+01:00Nor the ones working for Catch 22, Penrose or thos...Nor the ones working for Catch 22, Penrose or those currently being recruited to CRC's as Case Managers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com