Wednesday, 10 September 2025

A Good Question

From yesterday:-

"I’m just going to cut across this conversation, and I do love how this blog is a conversation:Probation is a traumatised profession. The trauma is huge: organisational, personal. There can be little recovery while a death by a thousand cuts continues to be inflicted. To wit, A New Choreography, TR, HMPPS and now the (largely) disgraceful Sentencing Bill. Why the persistent mood on this blog is of searing anger, and nihilism.
It seems like everything and everyone is hell bent on erasing the identity, the contribution, the social role, the profession of Probation as it was founded.

I was struck by a comment by an inspector, it might have even been The Inspector of probation, on some seminar or other, that he was made suddenly aware of the real impact of TR on staff by the literally visceral reaction of individual probation staff when it was mentioned. Its so hard, so dam hard, to envisage a way out of this pain and social cost. Ranting at the dying of the light is no solution, or even healthy if momentarily cathartic. Regrouping might be a thing. 

Your previous blog post sparked some vitriolic comments about the Probation Institute. The next posted a statement by its President extolling just what we would want the conversation about Probation practice to be about. The PI response to the Sentencing Bill was absolutely on point. 

So if regrouping in the trenches requires a cup of tea and a reappraisal of where our best bets, and best comrades are, I’d suggest the PI is shaping up. Napo is our Union. Unison is there. Howard League is definitely onside. There are others. Look for the common purpose, not the deficiences or differences. Would anyone care to share other groups and organisations that are aligned?"

1) Frances Crook

Labour gets punitive again

I remember when Douglas Hurd tried to reduce the use of short prison sentences but his rhetoric was all about the promise to punish people more harshly and send serious offenders to prison for longer. This had the effect of increasing the use of prison, not reducing it. So it will be with the current regime who are talking about increasing punishment both in the community and in prisons. They boast about how many more prison cells they are building, about making community sentences more vicious and only releasing people from prison early if they are supine and compliant. It is a mess and it will end badly.

Justice ministers went a jolly to Texas to see carefully selected prisons where people can earn early release if they undertake work and are compliant. The problem with this is twofold: good behaviour in prison means being obedient and is not a good indicator of how people will face the challenges of the outside world, and, there are so few opportunities for people to do any meaningful activities in prisons that we cannot demand they engage if there is nothing to engage with.

Compliance in prisons just means spending time lying on your filthy bunk watching television and not complaining. Will good behaviour be judged if people make complaints about their treatment and conditions?

People with mental health challenges on entry to prison find their condition deteriorates due to the restrictive conditions. People who were otherwise healthy suffer new serious mental health problems in prisons; we only have to look at the catastrophic level of self-injury across the estate, particularly by women.

Prisons are awash with drugs. It is a more lucrative market than the community. It fosters bullying and gangs and addiction. If prisons were better places, drugs would not be so enticing.

But this is not my only concern about the proposals. Community sentences should be based on people making amends for the wrong they have done. This should be a positive experience to help people be citizens, not criminals. Yet the government proposes it will introduce more negative elements by restricting people’s civil rights and access to leisure. Whilst it is fair enough to take a driving licence from someone who is a dangerous driver or who contravenes driving rules, that is a clearly linked penalty, it is not appropriate to take away access to leisure activities in order to try to solve prison over-crowing.

I entirely support David Gauke’s recommendation that short prison sentences should be severely restricted, indeed I would go further and ban them altogether. There is plenty of research, from the ministry of justice itself, that short prison terms increase the likelihood of reoffending, compared to community sentences in like for like cases. We hear from the magistrates that they have imposed community sentences and still the person in front of them has committed another crime - yes - but the likelihood is reduced each time a community penalty is imposed whereas the likelihood of more crime is guaranteed with a prison sentence. But then, magistrates don’t read research and are profoundly ignorant of the evidence.

Labour has a lamentable history of exploding the use of prison for working class people, introducing increasingly punitive community sentences and restricting civil liberties. It looks like they are at it again.

Frances Crook was Chief Executive of the Howard League for Penal Reform for 30 years until October 2021.

Prior to taking up her role at the Howard League, she worked as a teacher, a campaigner for Amnesty International and in non-executive roles at both Greenwich University and NHS Barnet.

Frances has campaigned for the whole UK penal system to be subject to a radical overhaul. She has highlighted the structural inequalities and injustice of the existing system and argued that a smaller more ethical and compassionate prison system would save public money, transform lives and change incarceration for good. During her tenure at the Howard League, Frances oversaw work with the police to reduce child arrests by two thirds, and under her direction the number of staff and turnover of the charity grew twenty-fold. She was described by David Lammy MP as "the single most influential campaigner for prison reform of our times".


Costly failure finally addressed: Revolving Doors responds to the Sentencing Bill

After over 30 years of campaigning, the end of short sentences is a milestone – but this is just the first marker upon the long road to ending the revolving door.

With a staggering cost of over £1billion per year, and reoffending rates of 55%, it has long been clear that short sentences are no deterrent and do not rehabilitate. Rather, for our group they are the very mechanism that keeps the revolving door turning, facilitating a downward spiral of crisis and crime.

While we welcome the Sentencing Bill, we have strong concerns about the proposed use of suspended sentences as an alternative to short prison sentences, rather than community orders.

Too often, suspended sentences function less as an alternative to custody, and more as a delay before prison. Many people caught in cycles of crisis and crime breach their orders not out of wilful disobedience, but because of unmet health and social needs. Addressing these issues takes time, resources, and consistent support, yet services are often slow to respond and the stability people need is not in place.

For those in our group, help frequently arrives only after a breach has already occurred. Their lives are chaotic, and while they struggle, the responsibility for failed compliance does not rest solely on them – probation and wider systems are not providing the support required. Without that, a suspended sentence risks setting people up to fail rather than offering a genuine alternative to custody.

Instead of suspended sentences, the presumption must be in favour of community sentences if it is to succeed.

People in the revolving door need help to address the root causes of their offending in a consistent, supportive environment. They need wrap-around support in the community to divert them away from the cycle of crisis and crime.

The benefits of this are manifold: safer, stronger, happier, healthier people and communities. Money and lives saved.

As the Bill makes its way towards becoming law, and in the years ahead as we look to the future, Revolving Doors and our members will be here to make the case for what works: pre-arrest diversion, community sentences which address root causes, peer support to build empathy and understanding, and whole-system approaches to breaking the cycle of crisis and crime.

We are getting closer to ending the revolving door. Now, more than ever, it’s time for bold action.


Narco responds to Sentencing Bill announcement

Nacro responds to the introduction of the Sentencing Bill today (02.09.2025). The Bill, in response to recommendations made by former Justice Secretary David Gauke in his Independent Sentencing Review, introduces the following reforms, amongst others:
  • An expansion of tagging.
  • End of automatic release for people who behaved badly in prison.
  • People released after a third of their sentence under a “earned progression model”.
Campbell Robb, Chief Executive at Nacro, the social justice charity, said:

“This is a key moment for the future of the criminal justice system and those affected by it. The initial focus on tagging is an interesting start to a much bigger debate about how the Sentencing Bill could and should transform our justice system to put rehabilitation and reducing reoffending at the heart. We need to ensure that any changes on this scale are thoroughly examined to ensure they positively impact victims, those working in the system, and help people move away from crime.

“Tagging can play an important role in supervision and safeguarding. However, it is vital that electronic monitoring doesn’t replace the one-to-one human support that can make all the difference to someone’s life chances. Therefore, investment in tagging and probation must go hand in hand with increased investment for the community services to ensure that people get the vital help to turn their lives around. It is also important that tagging does not overly restrict people’s ability to integrate back into society, for example ensuring that people are able to work or spend time caring for family, as we know these are key elements to reduce reoffending.”


Smart, self-critical and less patronising

Is it time for a rethink on the way criminal justice reformers do criminal justice reform?

Government plans to shake-up sentencing, due out next month, are expected to include a further toughening of community sentences and a Texas-style “earned progression model” for prisoners. A number of reformers, rightly in my view, worry that the shake-up could make the prisons and wider criminal justice crisis worse, not better.

We explored the pros, and the many cons, of recent Texas prisons policy in July, in a special event with US sentencing and prisons expert Michele Deitch.

Beyond the specifics of the earned progression model, and the wisdom of following the lead of high-incarceration jurisdictions like Texas, I do wonder whether our current approach to discussing, and advocating for, prison and wider criminal justice reform, is working.

One of the problems, I think, is that reformers have tended to approach the public and politicians like visiting missionaries: intent on converting them to their way of thinking. “If we could just share these facts with you”, the message seems to be, “then you’ll understand why you are wrong, and why we are right”.

I parody somewhat of course, but only somewhat. For all sorts of reasons, a missionary approach is probably not going to be very successful, if it ever was.

As we enter what is looking like a period of heightened populist demands for tough policies and tough action – linked in part to claims and concerns about immigration – it would be as well for criminal justice reformers to reflect on their current approaches.

In particular, reform organisations should get better at reflecting on why it might be that so many members of the public appear open to what reformers might consider to be punitive or counter-productive policies, and why so many politicians champion them.

They should be spending more time thinking afresh about what policies are needed in response to the coming challenge, and less time worrying about how they might better communicate long-standing policy commitments that, to be frank, do not have traction with the public or politicians.

Listening empathetically, being on receive, as well as broadcast, is crucial. Smart and bold, yes. But also self-critical and less patronising with those who disagree.

It would also be helpful if ministers got over themselves somewhat, and accepted that a vibrant, independent criminal justice reform sector, confident about telling them things they do not want to hear, is a strength and a resource to draw on.

In a parliamentary democracy such as the UK, it is easy for power to become deaf to critical challenge, treating it as an irritation or sign of disloyalty. This is why it is important that the voice of the reform sector is confident and bold, but also self-critical and open to fresh thinking.


How will the sentencing review recommendations be turned into operational reality?

Now that David Gauke’s sentencing review has delivered its recommendations, we expect legislation to be introduced any day. This legislation will start to fill in what is currently an incomplete picture, as we wait to understand precisely how the government will interpret the review’s recommendations and go about turning them into operational reality.

In hindsight, the sentencing review was a game of two halves. The first half led to a report published in February on the history and trends in sentencing. This was an excellent piece of work that identified the current use of custody as profligate and unsustainable. The review diagnosed penal populism as the driver behind this and recognised, as the Howard League has been campaigning on for some time, that sentence inflation must be addressed if our ballooning prison population is to be checked.

The review’s second half, however, is considerably less ambitious in scope. That’s partly because certain matters, most obviously the sentencing law around murder, were excluded from the review’s remit. This made tackling sentence inflation especially difficult. But other issues around longer sentencing, such as the escalation of maximum sentences and the use of mandatory minimum sentences, were put aside by the review in its final report. The euphemism used is that the review “did not have enough time” to look at these issues. It’s hard not to conclude, however, that these issues were shelved because they were viewed as too politically challenging.

At the heart of the review’s recommendations are five proposals that are estimated to save between 9,000 and 10,000 prison places. These are: 
  • Curbing the use of short custodial sentences. 
  • Extending the use of suspended sentence orders. 
  • Introducing an ‘earned progression’ model for those on standard determinate sentences (SDS). 
  • Introducing a similar model for those on extended determinate sentences (EDS). 
  • Simplifying the recall system for those on SDS.
The government has already rejected the recommendation for people on EDS. If all the other proposals go through and save the prison places they are intended to save, we would expect this only to buy the government perhaps two more years before it starts to run out of prison places again.

What’s worrying about this prospect is that the government will be closer to the next general election by that point. It will have faced two more years of the attrition of being in power. In that scenario, how likely is it that there will be an appetite for making bolder policy choices?

There is also some concern about how an ‘earned progression’ model will work when the prison system is so overcrowded and unable to deliver positive regimes in a consistent manner. Staying out of trouble is already difficult in the current system – for example, new Ministry of Justice (MoJ) research shows that prisoners in overcrowded cells are 19% more likely to be involved in an assault.

The operational challenge of implementing an earned progression model has implications for many people in prison, but we are particularly concerned about young adults. There is a very real danger that young men in this age group will be set up to fail. It is worth spelling out why, with an example of how a poorly implemented model of earned release could backfire on the government.

We know that young adults continue to develop physically and psychologically until their mid-twenties and that maturity affects judgement, decision-making skills, and impulse control. Moreover, young adults reside in some of the most violent and unsafe prisons in the estate. Safety in custody statistics show that young men aged 18-20 have the highest rates of involvement in assaults (including as victims).

If additional days of imprisonment are used as a mechanism to keep people in prison who are viewed as not having ‘earned’ their release, then it is notable that two prisons holding young adults (Isis and Brinsford) saw the highest use of additional days in 2024. We are currently conducting data analysis that suggests more than a third of additional days handed out in 2024 were given to people aged 24 and under. It is hard not to conclude that young adults might be disproportionately impacted by the proposals around earned release.

The legislation we expect to see published soon will start to answer some of these questions we have coming out of the sentencing review. As it is debated in Parliament, there will be further opportunities to scrutinise the detail of what is being proposed. In the meantime, what we do know is that the government is ploughing ahead with a prison building programme. In the recent spending review, the MoJ was allocated £7billion of capital expenditure to create 14,000 new prison places.

While the department’s day-to-day budget also received an annual average increase of 1.8%, it is worth noting that those 14,000 new prison places represent an expansion of the prison estate by about 15%. The sentencing review alone can’t fix this colossal mismatch in the department’s sums. In other words, the MoJ is struggling to provide lasting solutions to the problems it faces today, while storing up even greater problems for the future.


PRT comment: Publication of the Sentencing Bill

Commenting,  Pia Sinha, chief executive of the Prison Reform Trust said:

“With the prison population just days from a new all-time high and capacity running critically low, the government has had little choice but to introduce a series of emergency measures over the past year. England and Wales already has one of the highest imprisonment rates in western Europe, and today’s bill offers an opportunity to begin restoring our justice system to a more proportionate, sustainable, and effective footing.

“The belief that ever-longer prison sentences are the key to tackling crime has brought us to this point: dangerously overcrowded prisons and a justice system close to breaking down. These conditions fail victims, who face unacceptable delays in seeking justice, and they fail those we want to stop from reoffending. We must abandon the long-standing fantasy that building more prisons will solve this crisis — history shows it will not.

“The Sentencing Bill rightly seeks to expand the use of effective alternatives to custody, while reserving prison for more serious offences. For too long, prisons have become the last stop for people in desperate need of support they never received. For these reforms to succeed, probation must be properly staffed and resourced to help people rebuild their lives and reduce reoffending.

“Some measures, however, require careful scrutiny. Earned release must not replicate existing inequalities, particularly for young adults and minority ethnic groups; electronic tagging should only be used where evidence shows it is effective; and executive sign-off of Sentencing Council guidelines risks undermining judicial independence. This bill alone will not solve the crisis, but with the right investment and political will, it could be the start of building a justice system that works better for victims, prisoners, and society alike.”


MoJ’s AI Action Plan for Justice raises questions for people with criminal records

The Ministry of Justice has announced a new three-year strategy for introducing artificial intelligence across the justice system in England and Wales. The plan aims to improve efficiency and fairness throughout the justice system.

While we can see there is a clear need to tackle issues like prison overcrowding and the courts backlog, we believe it raises clear concerns for people living with criminal records.

A major concern for Unlock is the creation of joined-up digital systems linking court, prison and probation records. These so-called ‘digital offender IDs’ risk embedding a person’s past, making it even harder to move on from the long shadow of a criminal record. We are especially concerned about how data is retained and reused across departments to not only inform IDs, but to also provide information for research.
We can’t hard-code barriers into the system

“At Unlock, we already see how a criminal record follows people into every aspect of life,” said Paula Harriott, Unlock CEO.

“The rollout of AI tools must not hard-code barriers into the system; everyone deserves the chance to be seen as more than their past. We are particularly concerned about how a person’s record will be used throughout the criminal records system. For us, the idea that a child’s record might be saved and shared forever is of particular concern. Because of these concerns, we need guarantees with this action plan, that there is room for people to be allowed to reset and move on.”

Other AI tools planned include mobile phone data scanning in prisons and predictive models that assess how ‘risky’ someone is. These could be systems that could unfairly flag or label people based on outdated or biased data.

Unlock will push to ensure that any AI-driven decision-making remains transparent, challengeable and rooted in fairness and compassion. People who live under the long shadow of a criminal record should not be impacted further in the digital transformation of justice.

47 comments:

  1. "Look for the common purpose, not the deficiences or differences."

    Its an excellent sentiment & possibly the only chance of progress, but we cannot erase history.

    Personally speaking I'm sick & tired of setting aside my anger & dismay at the deeply damaging behaviours of the incompetent & abusive shitweasels on the back of empty promises & false hope. Too often it feels like those who jumped on the bandwagon, who [explicitly or otherwsie] colluded with noms/hmpps in dismantling the probation profession, are allowed to escape the consequences, i.e. that they can expedite their treachery, stupidity &/or personal quest for advancing their careers with impunity.

    It might be more palatable if those who helped formulate, promote & deliver the damage would acknowledge their folly, apologise to the probation world - & fuck off.

    If the probation world can show it is prepared to regroup with those who have helped cause them harm, perhaps the useless leaders across the board could demonstrate their regret & understanding through, for example, publicly realigning themselves (something the shapeshifting weasels are expert at, albeit with no conviction) or, preferably, resigning & leaving others with true grit & commitment to lead the fight.

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  2. This idea that “PI is shaping up, Napo is our union, Unison is there, Howard League is onside” is exactly the kind of complacent nonsense that’s landed probation in this mess. The unions couldn’t stop the disastrous reforms, couldn’t mobilise proper strike action, and haven’t delivered for frontline staff. The PI likes to claim it “speaks for probation,” but in reality it speaks for everyone and no one, and piping up at the 11th hour is too little, too late, particularly if there is no audience.

    Meanwhile the probation service is collapsing. Pay is appalling, workloads are unsafe, reforms have gutted the profession, and yet the response is “let’s have a little chat”, float a few ideas from over the fence and regroup. That’s not a strategy, way forward or support, it’s window dressing while the house burns down.

    Howard League, Prison Reform Trust, oh please! It’s the same forked-tongue routine we saw from third-sector agencies and think tanks during TR, condemning government policy in one breath, while praising it or positioning for contracts and recognition in the next. When you can see the other eye fixed firmly on a government cheque, their “support” isn’t worth much.

    If this is the best PI, Napo, Unison and the rest can offer, then they are part of the problem, not the solution.

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  3. Napo, Unison, the PI and the rest have one thing in common: failure. A decade of reforms have gutted probation while they’ve stood by. “Unity” and “common purpose” sound nice, but it’s really just cover for impotence. If these bodies had delivered, we wouldn’t be in this mess.

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  4. Comment from previous blog post:-

    "This “cup of tea and common purpose” line is exactly the problem. Napo, Unison, the PI and others haven’t brought much to the table. The only real common ground between them is failure, a decade of failing to stop probation being reformed to death. They couldn’t stop TR, they haven’t stopped the current crisis, and they’ve left frontline staff exposed to appalling pay, unbearable workloads and a service on its knees.

    Probation’s common ground is not cosy chats or vague talk of comradeship, it’s the brutal reality that the profession has been systematically dismantled and ignored. Suggesting the answer is to “regroup in the trenches” with the same organisations that have consistently failed is just recycling weakness.

    Calls for “unity” are nothing more than a fig leaf to hide impotence. If these bodies had delivered, probation wouldn’t be in this state. Pretending otherwise just papers over the cracks while the whole structure collapses."

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  5. Article in Morning Star. WITH prisons close to breaking point, the probation service is the key agency doing the heavy lifting to alleviate prison overcrowding and protect the public.

    But with workloads rocketing well above safe levels, the situation threatens to undermine both plans to reduce the prison population and the welcome reforms expected in the sentencing Bill.

    While a policy shift to a greater use of community sentencing is positive, the increase in probation workloads poses a significant threat to public safety. Fixed-term recall 48 — an initiative that will see around 3,000 prisoners released early between September and November — will add further pressure to our members who are struggling to keep their heads above water and trying to juggle public protection and meaningful rehabilitation.

    Despite submitting our joint union pay claim in January 2025, Napo has yet to receive a formal pay offer from HM Prison and Probation Service (HMPPS). Ministers seem happy to pile on the work for staff, but are not prepared to make an exceptional case for probation staff in order to ensure a significant and meaningful pay rise.

    Probation has suffered pay stagnation for the last 14 years, which has seen real terms pay drop by 65 per cent. Napo’s modest claim for 12 per cent would have gone some way to boost morale among staff and recognise the work they have done to help with the prison crisis.

    The Lord Chancellor has talked about recruitment drives to boost staffing figures, but with such uncompetitive pay, the service is simply not attracting or retaining the staff needed. Just as you can’t build your way out of a prison crisis, you can’t recruit your way out of the probation crisis.

    Napo general secretary Ian Lawrence said: “It is simply unacceptable that our members have seen no action or offer on pay. Our members have gone above and beyond to save the prison and probation crisis and have seen nothing in return. Ministers alongside HMPPS officials need to prioritise our members now as a matter of urgency.”

    In terms of short-term workload relief, the sentencing Bill will offer a number of measures that will reduce workloads for staff. However, policy changes such as scrapping the post sentence supervision — introduced by Grayling in 2014 — were first proposed by the probation unions nearly two years ago.

    This is an example of the lack of urgency from senior leaders and highlights the disconnect between those in HMPPS and on the front line. Other measures, such as reducing the duplication of work and the never-ending paperwork and bureaucracy, simply never see the light of day, resulting in our members drowning in paperwork that distracts them from face-to-face work.

    Napo recognises that the government is under conflicting pressures when it comes to funding public services, but with over a decade of underinvestment and cuts, we now have a probation service close to collapse.

    The recent attack on a probation officer at work has highlighted that the service needs widespread investment in people, estates and security if it is to function effectively.

    Mr Lawrence said: “Our members are stressed and at times scared at work which is wholly unacceptable. Sickness absence remains high with 105,000 days lost to sickness in the last 12 months. 75 per cent of those absences are due to mental health. The workforce is burned out and that adds greater risk to public protection.”

    The current inaction is simply not a sustainable position and further adds to Napo’s campaign to get probation out of the Civil Service and to regain its independence. The service needs a significant pay rise and overall investment to restore its once international reputation as an effective alternative to prison.

    Tania Bassett, Napo national official

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    1. Oh dear he says this that the other there's nothing in this document. Reads like a update of awe no pay offer. Hardly a surprise the union have no credibility. At least she appears to shine the love over her leader and a name to something in Napo. Total piss poor though.

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    2. Napo has a campaign to get probation out of civil service that is the first time I heard this. Had Napo not delivered us so easily into the C S this might not be so surprising .

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    3. But you're NOT 'in' the civil service; you're a pisspoor diluted version of a civil servant, i.e. subject to all of the regulation & monitoring & abuse BUT not entitled to the benefits.

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    4. 1807 yes we are don't write rubbish. There was some very clear instruction to the Napo leadership who hid it away. If staff wanted real equal terms on pay and conditions of service we have only one course of action. He won't do it not up to it. The unions should take a court action post dispute to equalise pay and terms on the basis of continued gender discrimination. Comparators doing any similar level role getting a better pension in terms than a woman in probation is liable for an equality claim. Your general secretary is too scared to equalise your terms in any pension pay claim so buried it. Instead he allows this unfair treatment while taking your pay. 1 test case and the civil service will throw us out because if they lose the back pay term will break them.

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    5. I must be very dim... not sure I understand what @07:39 means. Sorry.

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    6. Equal pay act . If you do not understand this stuff that is why you have a two tier pay and rewards structure

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  6. lipstick on the TR pig10 September 2025 at 21:16

    What’s changed? TR to Unification … Things didn’t get better!

    “The MoJ spent 90,000 on the PI because it was good PR at a time when they needed to show their commitment to maintaining professional standards in the post TR world. No wonder its critics saw it as more fig leaf than supposed centre of excellence. The PI enjoys more traction with academics than practitioners. Is this just because practitioners have been deterred by a small number of very vocal critics, or could it be that in general it is regarded as a cosmetic: lipstick on the TR pig?”

    https://probationmatters.blogspot.com/2015/11/probation-institute-debate.html?m=1

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  7. The PI has a voice, but it is not the voice of probation. That isn’t the PI’s fault, it was never set up with the credibility or clout to play that role. Its design and early management tied it too closely to the MoJ, Napo, and the Probation Chiefs Association, so it presented as an ally to probation’s oppressors rather than an adversary. The result was inevitable: ten years on, the MoJ, HMPPS, and Probation Directors largely ignore its existence.

    That said, the current PI director is making a stronger attempt than most predecessors, and the current PI editor has made the Probation Quarterly magazine a livelier, more engaging and practical read than the Probation Journal ‘bookend’ ever managed to be. But it doesn’t offer much else, so for the moment it’s doubtful the PI could become a genuine probation powerhouse. The opportunity was missed a decade ago, and it’s hard to see how it can reclaim that lost ground now.

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  8. Hey probation where’s your pay rise 🥲

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  9. Big Brother probation?

    https://www.ukauthority.com/articles/probation-service-to-run-trials-of-face-scanning-tech

    'Getafix

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    1. The Probation Service is to run a pilot of face scanning technology as part of its surveillance of offenders.

      It will involve the use of monitoring software that includes AI identity matching.

      Offenders will have to respond to remote check-ins through their mobile devices, recording short videos of themselves and answering questions about their recent activities.

      Any attempts to thwart the AI ID matching or concerning answers will result in an instant red alert being sent to the Probation Service for immediate intervention.

      The pilot is being trialled in four probation regions across England – the South West, North West, East of England and Kent Surrey and Sussex – before being considered for further roll out with additional tech add-ons, such as GPS location verification.

      This technology is part of a new £8 million drive by the Lord Chancellor to enhance criminal surveillance and deliver safer streets for communities blighted by prolific reoffending.

      Watchful eye
      Minister for Prisons, Probation and Reducing Reoffending Lord Timpson said: “This new pilot keeps the watchful eye of our probation officers on these offenders wherever they are, helping catapult our analogue justice system into a new digital age.

      “It’s bold ideas like this that are helping us tackle the challenges we face. We are protecting the public, supporting our staff, and making our streets safer as part of our Plan for Change.”

      The move follows the recent announcement of an increase in the use of GPS tagging of offenders and the launch of the Ministry of Justice’s AI Action Plan.

      The ministry has also held meetings with technology firms to explore the use of new tools in punishing crime. It said that ideas pitched to ministers included AI powered home monitoring and the use of synthetic brain cells to replicate the behaviour of a human nose to detect illegal drug use.

      In the Spending Review, the Government announced that the Probation Service will receive up to £700 million, an almost 45% increase in funding.

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    2. The watchful eye of Probation.....WTF? It sounds like a sequel to Lord Of The Rings except we're the evil ones, does Timpson not know how many phones a lot of Pops get through each month! He is turning out to be worse for Probation than Grayling was ffs

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    3. Synthetic brain cells.....sometimes jokes just write themselves:):):)

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    4. Where's the surprise in any of this?

      We have an ersatz 'Labour' govt that:

      1. uses public funds to publicly entertain & gladhand the president of an apartheid regime that is regularly & flagrantly in breach of international law while committing documented genocide in plain sight

      2. appoints the best friend of a convicted paedophile as ambassador to USA (because it would please the orange tumour & they hoped no-one would notice that mandelson was warming jeffrey's bed for him while he was in pokey planning to appeal)

      3. spends £millions of public funds & numerous days of police time arresting hundreds of pensioners who oppose genocide

      4. throws its only credible Deputy PM under a juggernaut at the earliest opprtunity

      5 etc etc etc etc etc.

      I have written to my MP outlining many issues, including probation, and expressed my regret for voting labour. The reply? "The unsubscribe button is at the bottom of this email".

      They do not give a flying fuck.

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  10. A couple of points, firstly, surely new work including the use of new technology means negotiating new terms and conditions including pay.
    Secondly, the current terminology describes those at the top as ‘leaders,’ although I acknowledge that this might be self definition. Can they inform us as to where they are leading us to, what we will encounter on the way, and how we will know when we arrive. I get the distinct impression that the leaders have no more vision than the following sheep.

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    1. "down the garden path", as my grandad used to say

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    2. Ts and C's it does not follow to change duties equals more pay. Redefining roles could downgrade staff or use different staff. If the ai brings easier changes to work and is the decision maker offender assesment has been done. Pay won't follow an upgrade for using new tech. Why are people so one dimensional on here. Pay goes both ways sharpen up.

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    3. How do you know this ? I assumed a job role change or new duties would mean more money. If downgrade on pay is possible how is this managed as I would leave.
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    4. Same way they stole our terms in tr. Have you no memory or short service.

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  11. "The Board published their Criminal Justice Anti-Racism Action Plan for Wales, in September 2022 which sets out seven overarching commitments for the Board to deliver systemic and cultural change by 2030.

    Criminal Justice Anti-Racism Action Plan for Wales Annual Report 2024 to 2025

    This annual outlines progress on the anti-racism plan in the Welsh criminal justice system, highlighting actions, challenges, and commitment to change by 2030."

    It looks like there'll be no racism in Wales by 2030. Can't wait !!!

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  12. 07:30. I think that The BMA and the junior doctors, the Birmingham bin workers and Unite, and The RMT and London tube drivers might disagree with the concept that,’pay goes both ways.’ The difference is in how you react to a falling standard of living, the philosophy of JFDI and an unwillingness to defend yourself in the absence of a willingness to fight after years of simply swallowing it.

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    1. Oh blimey wake yourself please your writing rubbish. Just a pointer for the driverless trains and the online proposals of the considerable expansion for many more. No drivers needed so moaning pay claims looking for more for less there won't be any drivers. The bins issues Birmingham caused by a years old unresolved dispute and the doctors outrageous claim is to be defeated on productivity by yet again more tech ai consultancy recording. Face it probation is well paid for what it's required to do.

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  13. https://www-bbc-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c77dre3j570o.amp?amp_gsa=1&amp_js_v=a9&usqp=mq331AQIUAKwASCAAgM%3D#amp_ct=1757664088857&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=17576640715618&csi=1&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com

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    1. A prison inmate threatened to shoot a probation officer because he believed she was standing in the way of his freedom, a court has heard.

      Far right sympathiser Nicholas Brock made racial comments about Saiqa Yasmin and demanded she called him "sir" in meetings, Oxford Crown Court was told on Wednesday. He is also accused of threatening to shoot a prison officer who failed to hear his complaint about being served a jacket potato for lunch.

      The 57-year-old, from Maidenhead, Berkshire, denies two charges of making threats to kill staff at HMP Bullingdon in Oxfordshire.

      The defendant, who was serving a sentence for possessing terrorist materials, blamed Ms Yasmin and others for the parole board's decision not to release him in April 2024, the court heard. Six months later, he had a meeting at the jail with prison offender manager Oliwia Pudlewska, the court heard.

      She told the court: "He was quite negative that he would be on a recall or return to custody because of Ms Yasmin. "I tried to move the conversation to more positive things, so that's why we talked about his hobbies and memorabilia.

      "As the appointment went on, he became more frustrated that he would not be able to do any of that because of 'that woman'.

      "He became visibly angry and shaking and he said he would just shoot her himself."

      Ms Pudlewska said Mr Brock would regularly "hurl abuse" at the probation officer and refer to her as "that Asian".

      Giving evidence, Ms Yasmin became tearful as she recalled how the defendant demanded that she call him "sir" during meetings, but allowed other people to use his first name. She said: "I felt he was doing it to undermine and belittle me." Another witness, prison officer Theodor Crihana, told the court about Mr Brock's collection of firearms.

      "He said he likes collecting war memorabilia, especially firearms, and told me that if you knew certain individuals, these firearms that are deactivated can be reactivated," Mr Crihana said. On Tuesday, the court heard how the defendant had a "very strong issue with jacket potatoes".

      Mr Brock has certain dietary requirements and became upset after a senior prison officer was not made available to hear his complaint, the jury was told. It is alleged the defendant threatened to "put a 9mm (gun) to the back of his head". The trial continues.

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    2. "Far right sympathiser ... serving a sentence for possessing terrorist materials ... he likes collecting war memorabilia, especially firearms ... if you knew certain individuals, these firearms that are deactivated can be reactivated... "

      In other (strangely familiar) news:

      "Charlie Kirk said that gun deaths in exchange for the preservation of Second Amendment Rights is a part of America's reality... I think it's worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights... Kirk openly embraced Christian nationalist language, claiming that liberty was only possible with a Christian population... He denied the existence of systemic racism, called white privilege a “racist idea,” and vilified critical race theory as dangerous indoctrination... The Guardian reported that Kirk’s rhetoric increasingly mirrored white supremacist and authoritarian themes, while campus watchdog groups chronicled repeated incidents of racist, homophobic, and transphobic speech at Turning Point USA events... "

      Is it now time to recognise that evangelical Christian nationalism, racism, homophobia, transphobia, xenophobia & an obsession with guns, Nazis, anti-immigrant ideology & voting Reform is quite a toxic mix? Perhaps Clive Lewis could give Keir a dig in the ribs?

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    3. trump: “The radicals on the right are radical because they don’t want to see crime … The radicals on the left are the problem – and they are vicious and horrible and politically savvy. They want men in women’s sports, they want transgender for everyone, they want open borders. The worst thing that happened to this country.”

      Oh, don't forget trump's here next week courtesy of KCIII & Kia Stormer. Bets are open as to whether farage will suddenly re-appear on UK shores.

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  14. https://committees.parliament.uk/committee/519/justice-and-home-affairs-committee/news/209263/prisons-and-probation-minister-to-appear-before-lords-committee/

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    1. The Justice and Home Affairs Committee is questioning Lord Timpson OBE DL, Minister of State for Prisons, Probation and Reducing Reoffending and Jim Barton, Director for Probation Reform and Electronic Monitoring at the Ministry of Justice . This session continues the Committee’s investigation into Electronic Monitoring (commonly known as ‘tagging’).

      The Committee will cover a range of topics, including the purpose of Electronic Monitoring, the future of Electronic Monitoring technology, anticipated increases in the use of Electronic Monitoring, and the use of Electronic Monitoring in detecting and preventing crime. The Committee will also ask about accountability mechanisms for private contractors, the consequences of breaching an Electronic Monitoring order, and the move to tag prison leavers as they leave prison.

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    2. PI speaks = https://committees.parliament.uk/oralevidence/16383/pdf/

      PI written evidence = https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/147906/pdf/

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  15. https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/sep/12/prison-officers-uk-skilled-work-visa-rule-change

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    1. Hundreds of foreign prison officers will lose their jobs and could be forced to return to their home countries at short notice because of a change in visa rules introduced by Labour, governors and a union have warned.

      More than 1,000 staff, mainly from African countries, have been sponsored by prisons across England and Wales allowing them to come to the UK on skilled worker visas.

      But since a rule change in July, overseas prison officers whose contracts need to be renewed have been told that they are no longer eligible for a visa if they are paid below the threshold of £41,700. Keir Starmer promised in May to drive down net migration to the UK “significantly”.

      Mark Fairhurst, the national chair of the Prison Officers’ Association (POA) union, said the change was “scandalous” and done in haste because the government was “pandering to Reform”.

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    2. I'll admit I've moaned before that I feel Prison Officers are treated better than Probation officers in all regards including pay, but this Government's ability to shoot itself in the foot is incredible. Even if the gun was unloaded and locked in a cupboard they'd still find away, incompetence is seen as worse than a lack of integrity when it comes to governing, do they not want to syay in power..

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  16. Not sure what to make of this, but you can click on the link at the end and play with the MoJs new tool!!!!

    https://www.wired-gov.net/wg/news.nsf/articles/How+to+assess+whether+your+service+is+ethical+12092025151515?open

    'Getafix

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  17. From Twitter, in response to my making this statement about recruitment not working:-

    "Recruitment won't work because pay, training, working environment, culture and ethos all need urgently addressing."

    "The culture is deeply toxic, I honestly don't see how probation can come back from that tbh. Trust is just gone... in every way it can be."
    "Absolutely it won't. When the training breaks the trainees, they quit. Or qualify, then quit. When the NQO workload is not protected, they quit. When experienced officers can no longer accept below inflation pay 'rises', as bills go up way faster, they quit. Ditto workloads."

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  18. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn839398xzpo

    "The Metropolitan Police has suspended nine officers and referred itself to the police watchdog following a BBC investigation into Charing Cross station.

    The Independent Office for Police Conduct (IOPC) said it was investigating the behaviour of 11 individuals based at the central London station.

    The accusations, which feature in a forthcoming BBC Panorama documentary, include excessive use of force, discriminatory and misogynistic comments, and failing to report or challenge inappropriate behaviour, the police watchdog said.

    The officers range in rank from police constable to sergeant.

    The allegations - which relate to the conduct of nine Met officers, a former Met officer and a serving designated detention officer - are said to have taken place both on and off duty between August 2024 and January 2025.

    The Met said it had suspended nine officers and removed another two from frontline duties."

    Oh.

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  19. Good question….. I have one, what do POMs do?

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    1. Have a read up on OMiC if you don’t know.

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    2. Why waste time reading something that plainly doesn't work as noted by most inspections and reviews? Let's just read the following quote, this is why staff try to escape working on the front line.

      one former chief probation officer has remarked, a simple case of “the pressures in the prison probation officer role not matching those of the community probation officers. There is absolutely no chance of a ‘prison offender manager’ being caught up as the responsible supervising officer in a Serious Further Offence review.”

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    3. This gives some explanation.

      Edd Flynn – The Day in the Life of an OMiC Senior Leader

      https://www.probation-institute.org/news/edd-flynn-the-day-in-the-life-of-an-omic-senior-leader

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  20. an interesting page of documents

    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/government-major-projects-portfolio-accounting-officer-assessments-ministry-of-justice

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  21. Yet another page of interesting stuff here:

    https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/ad-hoc-justice-statistics

    Which includes proof positive that claims about the HMP Doncaster experiment as *the* argument for pushing ahead with TR were total bollocks, out-&-out deception & everybody was lied to, including Parliament.

    1. Published 7 August 2014

    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/payment-by-results-pilots-on-track-for-success

    "The approach at Doncaster has seen the rate of offenders being convicted of a further offence at court drop by 5.7 percentage points against the 2009 baseline for the prison. The Doncaster scheme, which started in 2011 has already met its target of reducing the rate of reconvictions by 5% and will therefore be paid the full value of the contract for the first year of the pilot."

    2. Published 30 July 2015

    https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5a7f699ee5274a2e8ab4c06d/doncaster-pbr-pilot-cohort-2-results.pdf

    "HMP Doncaster PbR pilot: Result for cohort 2 - The re-conviction rate for offenders released from HMP Doncaster was 3.3 percentage points lower than the 2009 baseline year (from 58.0% in the 2009 baseline year to 54.6% in cohort 21). This is not a successful outcome for the provider, Serco, because the 5.0 percentage point threshold has not been achieved, and they therefore reimburse 10% of the core contract value for this pilot year."

    Oh lordy... it WAS all a lie after all. For what? For why?

    * hundreds of jobs lost
    * thousands of careers ruined
    * innumerable lives shattered
    * the probation profession decimated
    * a once-effective union utterly compromised
    * £Billions of taxpayer cash gifted to multinationals
    * a string of utter nobheads & bullies enriched & ennobled

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  22. I sometimes wonder about the point of our justice system:

    "A banned driver topped speeds of 155mph as he fled police in a stolen £60,000 car fitted with false number plates in November 2023... The 27-year-old admitted to handling stolen goods, dangerous driving, driving while disqualified and having no insurance... The car reached speeds in excess of 155mph on the motorway and then, on A and B roads, was driven at 110mph...before it was reported crashed and abandoned... the vehicle was travelling at 99mph five seconds before impact, and that the driver had not been wearing a seatbelt... The court heard his criminal record included robbery, dangerous driving and cannabis possession with intent to supply, and he had previously been given a lengthy driving ban... his barrister, mitigating, said he was an otherwise hard-working man who was employed in the family business as an administrator, and had suffered ill health following a motorbike accident when he was 18... He was jailed for two years and six months and will serve an 18-month driving ban when released, having to pass an extended test before his licence is returned."

    Date of offence: Nov 2023
    Hearing date: Sept 2025
    Sentence: 30 months = 12 months in prison (less time already served on remand/in custody) & 18 months on licence. A driving ban typically commences on the day of the sentence. However, if a court has imposed an interim disqualification (a separate ban for safety reasons, not the final sentence), this period can be deducted from the final ban duration.

    The defendant could potentially have walked out of court on the day. A previous "lengthy driving ban" seems to have had little impact seeing as his current conviction included "dangerous driving, driving while disqualified and having no insurance".

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