Saturday, 23 August 2025

Ballot Result

A member reflects:-

Probation is in crisis, so it is shocking that the Napo ballot turnout was only 44.82%, falling just short of the 50% required. Shocking, but not surprising. The blame lies squarely with the probation unions, not with the demographic that makes up today’s workforce.

On a Probation Facebook group I read, “I think Napo did a great job of marketing this campaign.” - I can assure you, it did not. Other comments were telling: “I’ve been too busy to complete the ballot paper” or “What’s the point of striking when you’re just rearranging your cases for the next day?” These aren’t signs of laziness, they’re signs of disillusionment.

When I was a young whippersnapper in my first jobs, I was taught the benefits of joining a trade union, and that if a strike was on the cards, it was your moral duty to take part. I don’t see that drive in probation today, and this isn’t the fault of new recruits. It’s the fault of Napo, Unison, and GMB.

Napo itself is a shadow of its former self. Once the National Association of Probation Officers, today its acronym means nothing. Napo and Unison waste energy competing against each other for members and reputation, while GMB plays the quiet role of “union for senior managers.” None of them deliver what probation truly needs.

It was Napo’s ballot. Returning a ballot paper isn’t difficult. The real issue is that the union couldn’t motivate enough of its own members to vote. Where were the roadshows? The rallies of reps? The campaigns beyond a few member outlets? Where was the coordination with so-called sister unions like Unison and GMB?

I can’t remember the last time I saw a strong Napo rep in a probation office, simply being present. Too often they carry a poor reputation, sneaky, gossipy, offering appalling advice. I stay in Napo more out of nostalgia than conviction. If I ever needed real legal advice or representation, I’d go to an employment solicitor.

Probation is in crisis, yet the unions aren’t even in first gear. The problem with Napo isn’t the members, it’s those running it. No wonder the vote failed. And please, spare me the line “a union is only as good as its members.” That’s lazy nonsense. If leaders and reps are invisible, uninspiring, or incompetent, it makes no difference how willing members are, their energy goes nowhere. Leadership sets the tone, and when leadership fails, the union fails.

This phrase is often trotted out to deflect responsibility, but it’s misleading. A union relies on both engaged members and effective leadership. Leaders and local reps are the ones who set priorities, build campaigns, and create opportunities for involvement. If they’re absent or demotivated, member enthusiasm is stifled before it even starts. When leadership fails to mobilise, communicate, or inspire, it’s no surprise when participation collapses. Blaming the membership only distracts from the real issue: weak, disconnected, and unaccountable leadership.

And then, to top it off, I read the Chief PO’s Probation Day message, a double-barrelled flourish referencing the 1907 Probation Act and its motto: Advise, Assist and Befriend. What a cheek to throw that in our faces while silently overseeing the decimation of probation, fully aware that not even the unions can save us. The failed ballot result has only confirmed that.

72 comments:

  1. I get what OP is trying to say, but it doesn’t change the fact that the cast number of members who didn’t vote have ultimately made the union weaker in negotiations. Had we even gotten through a vote of action just less than striking that would have given more ammunition to take to the employer. I think anyone who didn’t vote has ultimately shot all of us in the foot.

    They have every right to complain about how the union handled the ballot vote, it doesn’t change the fact that all members had to do was put an x in some boxes and send off their ballot for counting, hardly a mammoth task. I do wonder what the make-up of the non voting cohort was, are they staff members who are no longer in operational roles, so they don’t get the brunt of the workloads anymore.

    NAPO is far from perfect, and I’ll be the first to say that Ian Lawrence dropped the ball with his seemingly single mention in BBC news when the 10k figure was released and a 5 minute interview on radio 4 where he finally talked about strike action. Members can say they have voted because they’re disillusioned but all they’ve done is make us all weaker at the negotiation table and enable HMPPS to continue to have unreasonable working conditions where staff on the front line are treated awfully. If we can’t even agree to show our employer that we won’t be subject to this then why in the world are people complaining!

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    1. napo has been in lockstep with noms/hmpps/moj since 2008, i.e. co-terminus with the implementation of trusts/empowerment of local management/retirement of judy mcknight. Members have been sold out at every turn since, beginning with loss of Ts&Cs, pay freezes, dissolution of role boundaries, etc. The string of failures & shameful events that followed simply snowballed in the hands of total fuckwits whose bank accounts were/are generously filled with members' subscriptions; members who get no return on their investment.

      A 45% turnout is not "just short", its embarassing, its indicative of the lack of interest/trust in the union & likely deemed 'a result' by the sham organisation masquerading as a 'union'... it means they can continue their remote nonsensical electronic tub-thumping while not having to deal with any *real* confrontation.

      Someone yesterday posted a single line that sums up the world of today:
      "Young people want more money too !"

      Well, maybe you can just 'manifest' it?

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  2. Once again this raises the issue of the General Secretary and begs the question, ‘does he have a mandate.’
    Perhaps a new ballot should be run calling for a vote of no confidence.

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    1. You cannot do that he is an employee not a member and it's not a motion. Also this matter although newsworthy should be addressed by the incompetent officers group who are simply Napo central nodding dogs. Remember there is no office it's all virtual they all get paid and they have no place of work but home. No one has heard from ranjt singh. The press and parliamentary basset woman. What does any of them do now. They have an HR manager but no offices come on don't you think it strange . Virtual meetings and no office. Napo is a crafted merged con these days nothing but a charade. Let's ask the officer group the truth at AGM next month get the right motions in . Lawrence will shit his pants and get them all taken out of wrecking amendments.
      I agree tho competency is a big always known issue for this guy yet no one managed to nail him properly.

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  3. Does anyone have an idea what the pay offer that has not yet offered may be?

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    1. It will be virtually nothing. There is zero risk of reputational damage because we have just thrown out any potential dispute. Napo do not lead any campaign to fight Properly for better pay or terms.

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    2. After this failed strike ballot - Nil Pois?

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    3. Given that grocery inflation is 5%, anything less is technically a pay cut!

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    4. Nicholas Dakin Government Whip, Lord Commissioner of HM Treasury, The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Justice

      Hansard, Feb 2025

      "Probation is currently in a multi-year pay deal covering the period 1 April 2022 to 31 March 2025.

      This pay deal has provided certainty in pay increases throughout the period while securing necessary reforms to the pay structure helping to resolve some longstanding pay issues. Engagement will shortly commence with Trade Unions about a new pay deal effective 1 April 2025, working within the parameters set by the Civil Service Pay Remit Guidance. We have already brought forward the pay increase for 2024/25 from October to April of that year to provide earlier access to increased pay for our hardworking probation officers, who we acknowledge are under acute pressure."

      napo news:

      "Napo, alongside sister union UNISON, has submitted a formal pay claim for the 2025–26 year. The headline demand? A 12% increase for probation staff... “If our negotiations don’t produce what we want, then it’s back in the hands of our members,” Ian says. As a member-led union, Napo’s negotiators will present any final offer to members through a formal ballot. “And if the offer isn’t good enough, members have the right to say no — and push us into a campaign of industrial action.”

      The plan is for the postal ballot for strike action and action short of strike action, to be issued on the 25th July with a result being declared on Friday 22nd August."

      unison:

      "The three probation unions are to submit the following pay claim on behalf of members for 2025:
      • One year claim
      • 12% increase on all pay points
      • 12% increase on all cash allowances – e.g. London Weighting, Geographical Supplements etc
      • An increase in the minimum salary to be no less than £15/hour
      • The conversion of the current Regional Reward and Recognition funds into a single fund for staff retention purposes, to be the subject of collective bargaining."

      The govt are offering a 2.8% average public sector pay settlement at best.

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  4. I just had a look at the nafo website bloody turd that is. Anyway you would think at the very least a dispute would be in the offing for the revived privatisation of unpaid work from a labour government. Oh no Lawrence is keeping stum in bolstering the troops because he will agree staff away out of the civil service because he is not able that's the alert you been warned.

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    1. We’ve been told that the information is incorrect regarding UPW being privatised.

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    2. Ok great news we can all relax then .

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  5. The fact that Napo had to urge members with messages like, “Return your ballot today — every vote counts towards the 50% threshold”, shows they already anticipated the ballot would fail. That’s not a sign of confidence but of desperation, and it raises deeper questions about the union’s ability to mobilise or to be honest with its members at a time when probation is in crisis.

    https://napomagazine.org.uk/if-you-dont-vote-they-win/

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  6. As an employee, does the GS have targets to achieve. Is he expected to further the aims of his employers, is he subject to disciplinary procedures if he fails to deliver?
    Targets and quotas seem to be the norm these days, and penalties can be imposed to such an extent that the job becomes non viable.
    Sound familiar?

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  7. Lazy journalism repeats moj's PR puffpiece.

    "When criminals break society's rules, they must be punished"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5ypej14j2xo

    "People convicted of crimes in England and Wales could find themselves barred from going to pubs, concerts and sports matches under changes to sentencing rules being planned by the government.

    The reforms would allow courts imposing non-custodial terms to also have the power to hand out driving and travel bans, as well as order offenders to remain in specific areas.

    The Ministry of Justice (MoJ) said the changes would "toughen up community punishments" and deter reoffending.

    MoJ says it plans to introduce legislation to allow more restrictions to be imposed by judges and magistrates "as a form of punishment for any offence in any circumstance".

    It means offenders could face additional penalties unrelated to their specific offence, with those who break the rules being taken back to court.

    Offenders released from prison who are supervised by the Probation Service could also face similar restrictions under the plans - as well as more mandatory drug testing, even if they do not have a history of misuse.

    The MoJ said the plans were part of wider sentencing reforms aimed at deterring crime and ensuring prisons never ran out of places for dangerous offenders.

    "Those serving their sentences in the community must have their freedom restricted there too."

    The latest announcement comes in the wake of the MoJ giving details of its plan to place tighter restrictions on serious sexual and violent criminals when they are released from prison, forcing them stay in a specific area.

    The government said limiting offenders to a geographical zone, policed by tougher monitoring and enhanced tagging, would give victims greater peace of mind."
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    Sorry, but what the fuck is going on?

    * the MoJ says it plans to introduce legislation to allow more restrictions to be imposed "as a form of punishment for any offence in any circumstance".

    When & how did the right-wing junta inhabit the bodies of (allegedly) Labour ministers? Are braverman, patel & jenrick sticking pins in wax dolls of mahmood, the cobbler?

    The press release ends by trotting out those tired, lame & proven-to-be-shyte soundbites:

    "The MoJ said new technology will free up the administrative burden on probation officers to increase supervision of the most dangerous offenders.

    The MoJ says at least 1,300 new trainee probation officers will be recruited into the service this year, and that the service will receive a £700m funding boost by 2028."

    We can't even rely on the previously thorough Danny Shaw to write objective pieces anymore because he's taken the shilling & is now a paid advisor to mahmood.

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    1. its commonly referred to as 'client journalism' - publish the words of your client with little if any investigation, challenge or fact-check; the beeb often use this approach with govt stories whereby they utilise "a spokesperson says" or "the department said" as a prefix to parroting the press release. Its the same technique as mentioned recently on here, the kite-flying, where a proposal is given a test run with the public via a 'leak' to the press to see how its received.

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    2. https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new-restriction-zones-to-boost-protection-for-victims


      Plus here's another stock response:

      https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/north-east-probation-service-action-plans-and-response-letters

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    3. Think about the punishment of those women and children who are stuck at home with an angry DA perpetrator. Not sure this has been thought through…. And who is going to police this?

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    4. Right, I think it’s fair to say that NAPO have had their issues over the last few years. But make no mistake this result is no surprise. It has nothing to do with the effectiveness or otherwise of NAPO. This is about the lack of solidarity in the service. And not just recently, this has been the pattern for years. I was around long enough to see ballot after ballot undermined by tossers muttering how strikes never work, how clients will suffer, how it won’t make a difference. I have watched Union members cross picket lines, stand by as staff are targeted by management, say nothing when some poor fucker is dragged over the coals because they can’t keep up with the work. You just need to read the comments on this blog. Snide views about cigarette breaks, and long lunches, or excessive sick leave. Probation has always been populated by self satisfied micro bullies. On the one hand slagging off colleagues and the unions, and the next moaning about how busy they are but afraid to take a stand and fight back. Only the other day I read two separate pieces, one on how totally unmanageable the workload had become; with the next one trotting out the line that some staff were taking the mick etc etc. What makes it worse is the pretence that staff are supportive and considerate.
      A significant proportion of probation staff have fallen for the old line that collective action doesn’t work. Despite the evidence that it is the only thing that will work. Why do you think the unions were hammered under Thatcher?
      Stop pointing the finger at the unions and start pointing the finger at those jobsworths who won’t take action, won’t push back, the ones who stagger into the office with some plague (I haven’t taken a day of in a hundred years) so that the next day most of the team are off sick. And what about the snides who watch everybody else whilst licking the arses of various managers?
      These are the reasons this ballot failed. Because Probation staff are not solid, they are not willing to take a risk and they are certainly not willing lose a days pay for a just cause. So you can have all the ballots you want but until the attitudes of probation staff change, you will have the same results. I will look forward to the one thing probation staff are good at and that’s moaning…

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    5. fair dinkum, mate

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    6. It has EVERYTHING to do with the effectiveness of NAPO. And the only “snides” I’ve every witnessed are the ones hiding within Napo, happy to stab their colleagues in the back and bully new staff to get a leg up from some dodgy manager or senior manager they’re mates with on the side.

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    7. Bad union leadership fails to inspire followers. No fighting for lost terms or pay and workloads. Your post is creepy union protectionist but what in the hell has Napo actually done but flog us off time and again. The incompetence is so crystallised and getting clearer to all .

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    8. Two things can be right at the same time. Ian needs to go and we need to address toxic colleague culture

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  8. another useless set of results land:

    https://hmiprobation.justiceinspectorates.gov.uk/document/an-inspection-of-probation-services-in-redcar-cleveland-and-middlesbrough-pdu-2025/

    5/21 while leadership is praised as 'good'

    What would they give a 'leadership' team if an area scored a half-decent 11/21? A fucking Nobel prize?

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  9. I am gutted by the result but 5 per cent off and with an ongoing campaign NAPO can ballot again when the offer comes in. We have to fight this, we deserve better, let’s pull together, get new staff to join and ballot again. Don’t give up or we will all be near minimum wage soon

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    1. Love your optimism but look on its no accident Napo polled members to get no result right in the august break when staff are off. It's been an old trick done many times to members. Lawrence will what what it's a poll I follow the results. It was timed this way.

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  10. napo, may 2025

    "As a member-led union, Napo’s negotiators will present any final offer to members through a formal ballot."

    21 July 2025, unison

    Following pay talks over the last two months, HMPPS made a provisional pay offer to the unions on 26 June.

    This offer, which remains confidential at this moment in time, was considered by UNISON’s Probation Committee and rejected as being inadequate to meet our members’ expectations.

    Our Committee agreed that if the offer was not improved, we would consult members with a recommendation that members should vote to reject the offer and support industrial action to seek to improve it. This position was communicated to HMPPS.

    The unions subsequently met with Lord James Timpson, Prison and Probation Minister on 9 July, and made the case for an improved offer. We are now awaiting a further response from HMPPS – hopefully with a better offer.
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    gmb news 5 aug 2025

    "Posted on: 5 August 2025

    Issued by George Georgiou, GMB National Officer, Public Services Section on behalf of Janet Marlow, National GMB/SCOOP Representative

    Pay talks

    We continue to be in pay talks with the employer. We have also had meetings with Lord Timpson., Prison and Probation Minister and the Lord Chancellor Shabana Mahmood to pursue our claim for a restorative pay settlement. We will keep members advised of developments but we expect slow progress whilst parliament isn’t sitting."
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    Seems the members aren't getting sight of the offers from govt until the union committees have decided what *they* think members should hear. How do the members know if any subsequent offers are improvements on the original offer? Now the result of the ballot is known the govt can simply trash any pre-existing offer & replace three peanuts each with one between everyone.

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    1. Keeping offer confidential while a ballot is being called illustrates Napo collusion. Any known derisory offer known to membership would have brought a serious strike response. Either way that information should have been made known so members could have made an informed vote decision. On. This Napo led deceit 8 would call a national motion to ensure no GS can ever agree to not communicate offers by employers. Lawrence the bodger has shafted us again.

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    2. I heard a rumour that the offer was a derisory 2.6%.

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  11. https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/aug/24/labour-abolish-most-short-prison-sentences-england-wales

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  12. Heard labour abolishing short term prison ? Don’t worry probation will keep the prisons going with recalls and breach

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  13. from napo AR21 - Annual return dated 1 May 2025

    General Secretary salary & pension tot: £120,213

    Number of contributing members - 6,135

    Members: Contributions and Subscriptions = £1,338,205

    Administrative expenses = £1,125,860

    Remuneration and expenses of staff = £792,258

    https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/684fe83106337b7382f79e4f/NAPO_AR21_2024.pdf

    2023 - gen secs salary+pension = £113,355
    2022 - £108,566
    2021 - £101,652
    2020 - £100,616 ----- 5,421 members
    2019 - £99,150
    2018 - £83,963
    2017 - £82,122
    2016 - £81,092
    2015 - £80,276 ----- 7,354 members

    That's a £40,000 increase over the last 10 years, while membership numbers are down by 1,200.

    a short history of probation pay point revalorisation:

    2010 0% Band 4 max - £35,727
    2011 0%
    2012 0%
    2013 1%
    2014 0%
    2015 0% - Band 4 max £36,084
    2016 0%
    2017 0%
    2018 0%
    2019 0%
    Band 4 max 2021 = £37,174
    Band 4 max 2025 = £42,000

    Solidarity!

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    1. Very nice to read Napo leader adds 4k a year to his salary. Can anyone imagine 12k in 3 years on pay in the day job. Only guy Lawrence represents is his greed self. Staggering to read this hike.

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    2. Some of the increments beggar belief:

      2018 @ £84k to 2019 @ £99k... a £15k payrise?

      2021 @ £101k to 2022 @ £108k... a £7k payrise?
      2023 @ 113k... another £5k?
      2024 @ £120k... a further £7k?

      That's a £19k uplift in the last 3 years' accounts.

      "Remuneration and expenses of staff = £792,258"

      Take out £120k for the GS & where does the remaining £670,000 go?

      How are these pay figures justified & who suggests/approves them? Did the members vote for these pay rises?

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    3. "the commitment set out in Napo’s constitution to promote equality for all"

      2010 to 2025 - £7k lift for band 4 staff (max)

      2023 to 2024 - £7k lift for napo gs

      Its not a good look given the shit that probation staff have had dumped upon them over the last 15 years, the loss of terms & conditions, the tr/staff transfer debacle, the haemorraging of staff through contrived redundancies, the subsequent bullying of hmpps, the reputational shitstorm via hmi reports showing every area is crap - with some even more crap than crap - (except for the excellent leaders of course)... 30 PDU reports published May’24 to July’25… average score = 16%. SIXTEEN PER CENT.

      "General statement on the expected behaviour of members

      Napo expects all members to behave in a courteous manner.

      Discriminatory, aggressive, offensive, intimidatory, disrespectful or unacceptable behaviour will not be tolerated.

      This supports the commitment set out in Napo’s constitution (see below) to promote equality for all and to eliminate all forms of harassment, prejudice, and unfair discrimination.

      This policy applies to all aspects of communication relating to Napo, including emails and postings on social media."

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    4. That hike comes at no extra memberships no equality to all Napo staff no progress in members terms and pay. No workloads protection sor any agreement to protect staff from SFO outcomes. Anyone seeing who being fleeced here for nothing back.

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  14. Are you traumatised by the lack of support, jfdi culture, pisspoor pay, impossible workloads, useless unions? Then give Kamal a call.

    https://www.civilserviceworld.com/in-depth/article/traumainformed-mojs-kamal-bal-on-the-departments-drive-to-avoid-vulnerable-service-users-having-to-relive-trauma

    " Kamal Bal told attendees that the services developed by the ministry are informed by the experiences and needs of users – who often “come to interact with us [when] they’re in a position of absolute vulnerability”.

    “They’re at a real moment of need,” he added. “That is a common thread that sits across everything we do, and it is key that when they’re interacting with us, they feel supported by the experience they’re interacting with, but they also have trust in it as well.”

    Having spent much of his prior career in the consumer world – including stints at Marks and Spencer, Avon and Pizza Hut – the MoJ digital director arrived in government in 2023 with a track record of taking an “obsessive focus on the customer”.

    “We know, categorically, that if we want to create safe prison working environments, and if we want to help rehabilitate prisoners, it’s all about frontline officers being able to build relationships with them,” he said. “It’s all about being able to spend more time with people and less time on admin.”

    For some years, this admin has been largely centred on the complex and unwieldy National Offender Management Information System... “We’re seeking to transform that and we’ve created the Digital Prison Service… which is now rolling out"... "
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    Solution: eating pizza surrounded by scented diffusers while wearing slacks/skirt & a nice summer blazer

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    1. The comments on this blog often castigate the unions or the probation institute etc. Finally someone has discovered one of those individuals within the MoJ who is very much part of the problem and a source of our pain. A young ambitious man in a hurry. Remember when reading his comments that he is employed by MoJ not HMPPS and has probably experienced prisons as part of a vip guided tour or watched a few documentaries on TV. He doesn’t really give two hoots about prison or probation staff as his empathy is simply and artificial construct but deludes himself that technology is the answer to the prison and probation crisis without really understanding the job or wanting to. He has just been given a wheelbarrow full of cash and is out to make a name for himself asap. Watch out prisons. Here he comes.

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  15. https://ifs.org.uk/news/despite-recent-increases-ministry-justice-budget-has-still-not-returned-pre-2010-levels

    "In 2025–26, real-terms day-to-day spending by the Ministry of Justice is set to be 14% lower than in 2007–08, and 24% lower in per-person terms (per head of population in England and Wales)... the Ministry of Justice has fared worse than the average department since 2007–08; it has even fared worse than other ‘unprotected’ departments... HM Prison and Probation Service has seen cuts of 11% in real terms... Capital funding for the Ministry of Justice has sharply increased in recent years ... the budget has trebled since 2019–20... more than 80% of the increase in Ministry of Justice capital spending between 2019–20 and 2023–24 went to HM Prison and Probation Service [and] the prison system has been the main beneficiary of this about-turn"

    Who'd have thunk it? 80% of the only substantial budgetary increase in the last five years went to... (drum roll)... capex on prisons.

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  16. These already exist. They're called Prohibited Activity Requirements. The Courts just never seem to use them, nor to PSR writers ever recommend them!

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    1. I thought the change they're making is to broaden the restrictions as "a form of punishment for any offence in any circumstance", as opposed to the PAR being proprotionate & justifiable in terms of the offence in question... although, to be fair to your point, having looked at it I now realise (contrary to what I believed) the current legislation doesn't demand any such conditionality:

      https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2020/17/schedule/9/part/4

      PART 4 - Prohibited activity requirement
      Requirement

      7(1) In this Code “prohibited activity requirement”, in relation to a relevant order, means a requirement that the offender must refrain from participating in activities—

      (a) on one or more particular days, or

      (b) for a particular period.

      (2) Where the court makes a relevant order imposing a prohibited activity requirement, the following must be specified in the order—

      (a) the activities from which the offender must refrain;

      (b) the day or days on which, or the period for which, the offender must refrain from those activities.

      (3) A prohibited activity requirement may, in particular, include a requirement that the offender does not possess, use or carry a firearm within the meaning of the Firearms Act 1968.

      Restriction on imposing prohibited activity requirement

      8 - A court may not include a prohibited activity requirement in a relevant order unless it has consulted an officer of a provider of probation services.

      So yup, its there already.

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    2. No one writes a PS4 these days do they. Let alone reduced risk on community disposals. I'm thinking they will look at restrictive sentences but more likely combined to unpaid work and privatise the whole activity on a meet demand basis. They are not going to prison so it's not a probation role and to assist it will go to serco new community order punishments team nationwide coming to you soon.

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    3. It's quite shocking how many PSR writers are unaware of the sentencing options under the Sentencing Act 2020. There is so much more available than the standard UPW and RAR.

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    4. you're assuming they give a shit about the subjkect of the report &/or what they write/propose for the courts; never forget the recent stats (posted on this blog not so long back) showing a significant increase in concordance rates for proposal/disposal of custodial sentences.

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  17. This 2.8% remit on pay for civil service is bollocks, we are only technically part of the civil service like Prison staff are but the Prisons and probation aren't bound by the remit which is why our betters in the Prisons got 4% this year, and they aren't even allowed to bloody strike, it's as if Timpson has a not so secret love affair with them...

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  18. https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/hm-prison-and-probation-service-workforce-quarterly-june-2025/hm-prison-and-probation-service-workforce-quarterly-june-2025

    "Within the Probation Service, there were 5,501 FTE Probation Officers in post"

    "As at 30 June 2025, there were 5,213 FTE band 3 probation services officers in post"

    Collectively that's 10,714 FTE posts managing cases.

    versus

    "According to a government study compiled last year, some 17,170 full-time staff were needed to deal with sentence management in September 2023... According to a sentence management activity review by His Majesty's Prison and Probation Service (HMPPS), there are only 7,236 members of staff in this specific role - around 10,000 fewer than needed."

    What the fuck does this mean:

    "5,501 FTE Probation Officers in post, a shortfall of 2,315 FTE against the target staffing level of 7,816 FTE."

    Is the target level 7,816 or 17,170? What does that mean? Why is no-one asking the question? BBC? C4? ITV? Guardian? Times? napo?

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  19. I have no reason to doubt the original OP, but the ballot result is still not posted on the NAPO website.
    Says it all really and makes a mockery of claims about being member led or clear lines of communication.
    What are they doing to justify the salaries posted above?

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  20. How’s it’s the unions fault 30 something women don’t want to join a union ?

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    1. Who’s dragging “30-something women” into this? That’s lazy and insulting. The real issue is the union’s failure to organise, inspire, and deliver. If staff aren’t joining or ballots keep falling short, that’s weak leadership, not the workforce. Excuses like this just prove why the unions have already lost credibility. Truth hurts, I guess. The closer reason is about what idiot set-up arranges such an important ballot in the August holiday season? Until there’s official confirmation of the ballot result, all this finger-pointing is just noise. Napo’s website and social media is quiet, it feels like we’re kept in the dark, exactly where Napo wants us. All that money in subs, and this is what we get?

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  21. It’s not lazy that the workforce and they aren’t collective or keen on unions big like bullying ‘ pops’ because of their own frustration of poor pay and being treated like rubbish ,

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  22. Just a gentle reminder people that the anniversary date for the probation service pay rise is April 1st. This year, last year and every year.
    I never received an award on time unless we were in a multi year deal.
    They should be in the process now of negotiating next years rise so it is paid on time.
    I said several months ago when the claim for 12% was first mooted, they will offer 2%, NAPO will eventually agree then the push will become for the money to be paid before Christmas.
    A bit like Christmas, it happens every year.

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    1. Even the multi year payments were split in April and October rises probably to both save money and to continue to control us...

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    2. Napo can't agree anything pay offered will just be imposed. Lawrence is of the nonsense you lodge issues under protest and then carry on as if you can do something later on. Really a pathetic nonsense once you work under change or workloads it's accepted. He doesn't understand a real job working he thinks working is train ride and a cold beer . The salary he takes is staggering for a job in excess of 12 weeks annual leave about 60 days we get max 42. Also toil for what. A real low par performer and yet there he is come on officers reveal the failing and hold him up for accounting. Help him jump or push Harder.

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  23. From Twitter:-

    "A large plastic tub in our office and we, the staff, fill it with ambient storage, easy to eat foods, toiletries etc, to give to our people on probation. It's our mini food bank for our teams."

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  24. From Twitter:-

    "I enjoy the Q&A sessions myself and other Mentors do with Trainee Probation Officers and Criminology Students about the realities of Prison life and the sessions we attend with auditors giving our views on what could positively change to help those being released from Prison."

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  25. NAPO can’t even get geographical allowances granted to high COL areas with the worst staffing. Ballots were sent out late, when people were on holiday - I’m not surprised the turn out was poor. Shocked at how much Lawrence earns though - surely he’s not worth three PO’s? Hasn’t he done his time by now?

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    1. Well past his expiry date I would venture. However inept he had become a real liability especially as most is lost already there is no mechanism to assist him go without massive payout for which deserve is a big question. He is in role as he manipulated most of the officers and chair to agree his easing back from a null election crafty.

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    2. He has no real mandate then does he? Re appointed on what basis no other candidate chosen to contest. What is his primary duty then. Figurehead of what.

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  26. 97% of Napo members who voted definitively said ‘yes’ to action short of strike action, 90% for strike action itself in a ballot which closed on 22 August. Probation workers in the union which represents workers in the probation service and family courts are in dispute over pay and working conditions.

    Despite a strong effort from Napo branches and activists, just under 45% of ballots were returned. Because Starmer’s Labour government has kept the Tories’ 2015 anti-union laws, Napo cannot take action despite a clear democratic mandate.

    The ballot was launched following dispute over a truly horrendous workload situation, and over the fact that we have not yet received a formal pay offer.

    The probation service is on its knees. Just one sector, sentence management, has been revealed to have less than half the staff it needs to meet its legal requirements. Meanwhile, the Rademaker Report showed the probation service is rife with bullying, harassment, and discrimination.

    Thousands of probation workers, in Napo and in sister unions or no union, hoped this ballot could force some change from this government.

    There will be lessons to be learned from the fact that turnout did not reach threshold, and Napo will need to recover quickly to ballot when it does receive a pay offer that will undoubtedly be inadequate.

    This Labour government is getting away with acting just like the Tories. In most countries in Europe, the Napo members’ vote would be enough to strike. But, the Labour government has deliberately kept the Tories thresholds on the books, despite promises to scrap them in the general election. Labour is also continuing to drag probation workers into a bigger and deeper mess through brutal austerity.

    The fight is on to use this overwhelming support for action to get over the government’s repressive hurdles next time around. Together with the industrial battle, we would be strengthened by a new party of the working class.

    Napo members were among over 1,000 trade unionists to join the Trade Unionists For A New Party meeting on 21 July where Zarah Sultana and Jeremy Corbyn spoke shortly before launching ‘Your Party’.

    Following this, several members have formed a Napo For A New Party group, with a follow-up meeting planned for 1 September at 6:30pm on Zoom. Members can join via the ‘TU4NewParty’ linktree at https://linktr.ee/TU4NewParty

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    1. Maybe these several Napo members should put there energy and efforts into finding out why a large proportion of union members didn't vote instead of wasting time forming a sub group attached to failed politicians

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    2. Yes good point agree with that

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  27. Honest question because I really don't know but....
    How many probation staff are NAPO members?
    What proportion of probation staff are actually a member of any union?

    Those stats might have a story to tell on their own?

    'Getafix

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    1. In the annual report someone posted higher up it's say 6100 contributing members, which is either a large majority of the Probation work force or not as no one actually seems to know how many staff there are!

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    2. see post 24 aug @ 12:20 above

      from napo AR21 - Annual return dated 1 May 2025

      Number of contributing members - 6,135 in 2024
      & in 2020: 5,421
      & in 2015: 7,354

      @30 June 2025: 20,823 FTE staff in the Probation Service

      Maybe 30% of staff are napo members;
      ??? for unison, gmb or other

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    3. It’s a really interesting question Getafix. In my very small team it used to be 2 out of 6 Napo members but then I cancelled my membership so now it’s 1 in 6.

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  28. I recently cancelled my napo membership and I emailed first to tell them why. I got a very long and defensive email back from Ben Cockburn, several pages long, citing the numerous successes they have had in relation to pay, mainly around bonus schemes for Sds40 work (none of which I saw!) and overtime payments (none of which I got!). He claimed napo have “prevented HMPPS from shifting thousands of hours of work to coms”. He claimed the website works well and links to membership etc work (they didn’t, which is why I raised it) and that there is no disparity between com and Pom workloads. He said he disputed that there is no representation of napo in the media. He then gave me a deadline to contact him of my membership would be terminated. I was too outraged to reply.

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  29. Napo mailout yesterday:-

    The fight for fair pay continues

    Following last week’s probation pay ballot result, Napo HQ and Officers have been analysing lessons learned and will be inviting feedback from members who did not vote. While turnout fell short of the threshold, those who did participate gave a huge majority in favour of industrial action, giving us real optimism for the campaign ahead. Next week, the NEC will consider a draft action plan to prepare for the next ballot with the clear aim of boosting turnout, while Napo continues to press HMPPS and Government for a long-overdue and decent pay offer that reflects the value of probation staff."

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    1. From Napo online magazine:-

      Ballot Result: Just the Beginning

      Last week’s ballot result was only the beginning. While turnout fell short of the legal threshold, members who voted gave an overwhelming mandate for action. Napo is now preparing the next phase of the campaign, keeping the pressure on Government and pushing for pay justice.

      Napo’s industrial action ballot closed last week, and while the turnout fell just short of the legal threshold, the message from members who did vote was overwhelmingly in support for industrial action. An incredible 97% backed Action Short of Strike and over 90% backed Strike Action. That level of anger and determination gives us a strong foundation to build on as the campaign continues.

      The HQ team and Officers have been analysing the result, drawing lessons, and inviting feedback from members who didn’t cast their vote. We also want to thank the many members who contacted their MPs during the campaign. This political pressure matters, and we will be following up on replies when Parliament returns from summer recess.

      Next week, the National Executive Committee will consider a draft action plan ahead of the next ballot. Our focus is to deliver a much higher turnout and send an even louder message to the employer. In the meantime, Napo is keeping the pressure firmly on HMPPS and Government. It is unacceptable that we are still waiting for a formal pay offer, months after our claim was submitted in January. Probation staff deserve respect and they deserve a decent wage. We will not stop until we win pay justice.

      3 Things You Can Do Now
      1.Send us MP replies – If your MP has responded to your email, forward it to info@napo.org.uk so we can follow up.
      2 Encourage colleagues to join – Every new member strengthens our campaign and boosts turnout for the next ballot.
      3 Get active locally – Contact your Napo branch to find out how you can support future action and organising efforts.

      This is a live campaign, and every member has a role to play. The ballot result was just the beginning – together, we will build the pressure, raise our collective voice, and win the respect and pay that probation staff deserve.

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  30. I have been a trade unionist all my life. I have been a union rep & a steward & managed picket lines & lobbied in parliament, but I find this so very depressing & full of false hope.

    "Napo HQ and Officers have been analysing lessons learned... While turnout fell short of the legal threshold, members who voted gave an overwhelming mandate for action... members who did vote was overwhelmingly in support for industrial action. An incredible 97% backed Action Short of Strike and over 90% backed Strike Action."

    What does this mean & what lessons have been learned?

    Analysis:

    90% (voted for strike action) of 45% (ballots returned) of 30% (of probation staff in napo)

    Using figures we have had posted on this blog from napo & .gov.uk:

    45% of 6,135 = 2,760
    90% of 2,760 = 2,484

    So 2,500 staff out of 21,000 probation employees voted for strike action = 12% of probation staff.

    In 2003 napo's annual return showed there were 7,729 members. A brief history:

    2004 - 8,432
    2005 - 8,677
    2006 - 9,035

    2007 - 9,004 - judy mcknight's last year as GS
    total probation fte staffing was ~ 21,000
    so ~43% of *all* staff were napo members
    total "frontline" staff = 12,806
    ( Includes senior practitioners, qualified probation officers, trainees and probation services officers)
    thus ~70% of frontline staff were napo members

    Then came the subsequent decline...
    2011 - 9,100
    2012 - 8,360
    2013 - 8,008
    2014 - 7,354
    2015 - 6,749
    2016 - 5,261
    2017 - 4,996


    https://www.crimeandjustice.org.uk/sites/default/files/Probation%20Resources%2C%20Staffing%20and%20Workloads%202001-2008%20revised%20edition.pdf

    "Next week, the National Executive Committee will consider a draft action plan ahead of the next ballot."

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    1. Then came the subsequent decline...
      2011 - 9,100
      2012 - 8,360
      2013 - 8,008
      2014 - 7,354
      2015 - 6,749
      2016 - 5,261
      2017 - 4,996

      Exactly what the govt, right-leaning senior civil servants (spurr, romeo, brennan et al) & their capitalist vulture chums had hoped for - the impact of tr was far wider than splitting the service. It isolated staff & devastated trade union membership with a 40% drop in numbers. Its 2025 & Lawrence & co still haven't recovered those numbers in full, just about half of what was lost (+1,500 since 2017)... most since the rejoining of services.

      I'd love for there to be a resurgence in membership, for the numbers to swell back to close to 50% of staff membership, for the union to be able to have influence & be valued as the voice of the profession.

      But I fear the damage is too substantial, the current leadership far too impressed with themselves while the overwhelming demographic of staff are without any knowledge/experience of the value of trade unionism or power of collective action.

      Even the current govt - a so-called 'Labour' govt - are actively (if covertly) anti-trades union, as posted on here not so long back:

      https://www.civilserviceworld.com/professions/article/mycsp-run-poll-staff-union-recognition-pcs

      "Civil Service Pension Scheme administrator MyCSP is planning to run a poll to ask staff whether they want a recognised trade union, according to the PCS union."

      There are, however, still some rays of hope for strong active unions:

      https://www.civilserviceworld.com/professions/article/mycsp-strike-to-be-extended-as-union-slams-pensions-operators-deeply-uncooperative-attitude

      "MyCSP staff are planning to take a further six weeks of strikes in their battle for union recognition for PCS ahead of the transfer of staff to outsourcing giant Capita.

      PCS members working for the Civil Service Pension Scheme administrator are set to extend their strike action until 26 September unless MyCSP makes “positive moves” to address their concerns, the union said.

      MyCSP staff are now into their fifth week of industrial action over the company’s refusal to meet PCS's demand for recognition and full consultation regarding the TUPE transfer of staff over to Capita, which is due to take over the pensions administration contract later this year. "

      https://www.civilserviceworld.com/news/article/union-announces-largescale-strike-at-mhclg

      "The civil service’s biggest union has announced a major day of strike action in its dispute with the Ministry of Housing, Communities and Local Government.

      PCS said that more than 1,180 members at MHCLG will walk out on September 1 as part of the union’s dispute over the department’s plans to close several offices, its attendance policies and recruitment strategy.

      The day of action – which coincides with the return of MPs to parliament following the summer recess – will be followed by “targeted action” from September 2-25. That will see around 170 members walk out and other colleagues take action short of strike."

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    2. Some great posting on numbers but the dilution after Judy made stagnant by Lawrence is when Napo recruited all grades of staff mainly admin. By doing so we wiped out any voting activity in strength.

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    3. In smart addresses around the London area, senior simple serpents & corporate execs & elected politicians will be donning their evening wear, sipping fine wines & awaiting carriages for their sponsored seats at the Proms (or any other similar paid-for events); glad-handing, networking & generally enjoying the spoils of taxpayer funds before retiring to exclusive Michelin star table service where their wealthy connections will pick up the tab. These are the people who have leeched £billions from the public purse.

      Meanwhile, around the country there will be thousands of anxious probation folks wishing Monday won't arrive, dreading what they'll find in their inboxes, wondering if they'll be able to cope with another week/month/year of the job, how they'll pay their bills, their mortgages, their kids' school uniforms on piss-poor pay. These are the people who try to make a positive difference in society despite the cold, myopic, arrogant indifference of government.

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